nhsk wrote...
Kachie wrote...
Actually, in DA2 Anders, if you take the right conversation path, say he and his friend (the one turned tranquil and you had to kill in the Chantry) that they were lovers. So he was clearly bi from the get go
That is still something that happens in DA2, and his introduction to the Thedas IP was in Awakening.
And all he basically does in Awakening is talk about girls, never a single mention of a man despite ****** or bi-sexuality being widely accepted in Thedas, so he has no reason to hide it in Awakening.
Thats were I get the "not attracted to men" at all in Awakening, and romances wasn't pursuable in Awakenings so saying it was just because he wasn't attracted to the Warden I don't give a flying hat for, when he is clearly attracted to every female he meets.
Edit: anyway, my "trolling" dragged me into a conversation that is quite good, but I actually have to go for an hour or 2 now, wasn't expecting the convo to develop this way 
- will check back later to look for replies
I suppose that Tali and Garrus were reconned then because they showed no interest in Shepard at all in ME1? No.
Just because the option was never given to romance them in the first game does not mean Bioware could not develop their characters in a way that would allow it in ME2. The same is true for ME3. As far as we know, only ONE character has said that she was not into the same gender, and that was Jack. She had sex with women before, but those relationships were ones in which she was used or was using her sexuality as currency. Once paragon Shepard "helped" her, she said she wasn't a member of the "girls club."
My own brother came out of the closet several years ago. He never "lied," but he never said anything about the men in his life. Up until that point I had assumed he was "totally" into girls because he had a least a dozen girlfriends and I know he had had sex with several of them. Shocked, yes, but it did not ruin my immersion and make me think he was any less my brother, or had been reconned by God against my wishes. HE did not change, I just merely learned more about him. Any preconcieved notions I had were in MY head.
And if I no longer considered him my "bro," it would have been because I was the jackass.
I seriously doubt that all the characters in ME will be bisexual, but that's because Chris Priestly has already said they won't all be bi. I wouldn't be against it since it would allow game creators to just make a character an option for the player to choose rather than have the creators worry about making sure a character is "too" stereotypical. Not all gays or bisexuals liked Zevran, but they liked Alistair. I know at least a half dozen self-proclaimed lesbians who dig Morrigan.
And as for the argument about keeping characters "realistic," I'm afraid quite a few players need to get a life. I could write for hours how each romance option both Shepards have can stretch credulity to the breaking point, even my favorite Ashley, if each aspect of their lives were subjected to the same demand for realism. But I know that ME is a shooter RPG about blowing up husks, robots and god-like killing machines and that there are just so many resources that can be devoted to romances.
Even though Liara covers all the stereotypical sexy alien sci-fi cliches, Miranda goes from Shepard challenger to Shepard groupie with blinding speed, and Tali violates established Quarian lore about exposure to alien contaminants, a lot of players were happy to get to romance them in a game they paid $60 for. Me? I didn't like the relationships with any of those characters, SO I DIDN'T ROMANCE THEM. I still talked to them, though, and they are are still VG friends of Shepard.
If there is a legitimate complaint about any romance in Bioware games, it's that there is a history of making huge section of friendly dialoge, even when non-romantic in nature (as in the Jacob romance), beyond the reach of those who just want to be friends and not lovers of a character. THAT should be remedied, and I hope we can all agree on that.
Also, the last time I check Bioware's posting of game statistics, most players skip the romances ENTIRELY, long before the dreaded "gay" ones were announced, meaning there's less insentive for Bioware to give ANY of the romances, gay or straight, the level of "realism" that critics want so badly for the "gay" ones.
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