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[colony999]

i always see everyone hating on her because they find her annoying and stuff, but i actually like her alot, shes cute, strong and she has some great dialogue, specially in the romance, i'd replace her in the party for someone whos actually better at combat but i cant bring myself to let her go

[Thailog]

I like Jaheira too and take her along in most of my parties. She's a great NPC with a lot of worthwhile quests.

She makes a pretty decent warrior too when you buy her a strength belt and get her to memorize Iron Skins.

Modifié par Thailog, 10 juillet 2011 - 10:49 .

[morbidest2]

A party of 6 without a Druid is definately weaker than one with a druid. And between Jaheira and Cernd, cranky Aunt Jaheira is easily the best choice. If you're going to go on thru ToB, you'll find that Jah gets more and more powerful. Also at level 15, any druid gets a huge increase in spellcasting ability.

[Windfoot]

Jaheira rocks! Give her good armor, weapon and str belt....precast iron skin and at the beginning of the fight use insect swarm. Then try to tell me she sucks.

I actually use her as a front line fighter.

[Reticent]

Great party member; disturbing romance. Really, Viconia's romance comes off as less creepy.

[BelgarathMTH]

I love Jaheira. I plan to name my next female cat "Jaheira"

If I were a straight guy, I'd marry her. I'd like to raise kids with her.

[Sparky The Barbarian]

Jaheira is my favorite female lead in any fiction. She's a great character with a compelling back story. Most romantic leads in games and many stories are damsels in distress. In BG almost every other female must be rescued (Dynaheir, Nalia, Mazzy, Branwen, Aerie, Viconia (twice). Jaheira is happily married and a well known Druid when the PC meets her at the FAI. Staying with the PC costs her her family, her career (as a harper) and her reputation, yet she sticks with him.

SPOILERS:

Yes, there are issues with the speed of her rebound from Khalid's death to falling for the PC. When love calls, how do you hold it at bay, even if you are in grief? Love the character, love the story. Kudos to Bioware for making a widow a romanceable option.

[Saint of Sinners]

As a 23-year old dating a girl a year older with a kid from a previous failed relationship, Jaheira is the closest thing to the romance anyone can hope to hold as real and special. This is a roleplaying game and sometimes you must play the role of someone who's willing to weather trepidations and turbulent moments for something worthwhile. Sparky, above, is right. It was wonderful of Bioware to put a widow as an option because even though it doesn't necessarily apply to me, it appeals to me in so much as it's what I want to have for myself.

Still in that light, dating Aerie was like my HS romance all the way (even the insecurities...) and dating Viconia is, well, like when I dated a... "buddy" of mine before. Both weren't... something I'd even like to think of.

Jaheira, overall, is the best NPC in the game for me. She's got no gamebreaking ups, but she's always more than enough and never a down.

[Reticent]

Sparky The Barbarian wrote...

Most romantic leads in games and many stories are damsels in distress. In BG almost every other female must be rescued (Dynaheir, Nalia, Mazzy, Branwen, Aerie, Viconia (twice).

Rescuing Jaheira is almost literally the first thing you do in Shadows of Amn, there's just less exposition involved with it given where it falls in the game.

Modifié par Reticent, 10 juillet 2011 - 04:16 .

[BelgarathMTH]

Yeah, but I can't count the times that Jaheira has rescued me. "All for one and one for all", and all that.

[Reticent]

BelgarathMTH wrote...

Yeah, but I can't count the times that Jaheira has rescued me. "All for one and one for all", and all that.

Oh, that's fine (and I'm not judgemental if some people do like Jaheira's romance, it just doesn't sit well with me). 

I was just pointing out she wasn't immune to the damsel-in-distress treatment.

[Sparky The Barbarian]

Reticent wrote...

Sparky The Barbarian wrote...

Most romantic leads in games and many stories are damsels in distress. In BG almost every other female must be rescued (Dynaheir, Nalia, Mazzy, Branwen, Aerie, Viconia (twice).

Rescuing Jaheira is almost literally the first thing you do in Shadows of Amn, there's just less exposition involved with it given where it falls in the game.

Yes, I know, but Jaheira is only there becuase she and Khalid came to your rescue, and fell into the same trap.

[Redcoat]

As a party member I found her useful; definitely a better choice for a druid than Cernd. Insect Plague/Creeping Doom is always great fun.

That said, I thought Jaheira's romance was awful. That it comes right on the heels of her husband's brutal death makes it sound like my character is either her rebound boy, or Khalid was a complete loser that she didn't really care about that much.

[polytope]

Reticent wrote...

Sparky The Barbarian wrote...

Most romantic leads in games and many stories are damsels in distress. In BG almost every other female must be rescued (Dynaheir, Nalia, Mazzy, Branwen, Aerie, Viconia (twice).

Rescuing Jaheira is almost literally the first thing you do in Shadows of Amn, there's just less exposition involved with it given where it falls in the game.

Let's not forget that Imoen rescues the player at the start of the game.

Redcoat wrote...

I thought Jaheira's romance was awful. That it comes right on the heels of her husband's brutal death makes it sound like my character is either her rebound boy, or Khalid was a complete loser that she didn't really care about that much.

Poor Khalid doesn't even get a decent burial, but stays on Irenicus' dissecting table. I'm tempted to mod this myself, so that his body can be taken somewhere (druid grove for instance) for funeral - and only after he's been laid to rest Jaheira's romance starts.

[Saint of Sinners]

polytope wrote...

Poor Khalid doesn't even get a decent burial, but stays on Irenicus' dissecting table. I'm tempted to mod this myself, so that his body can be taken somewhere (druid grove for instance) for funeral - and only after he's been laid to rest Jaheira's romance starts.

This is a wonderful touch on the game, IMO. It would improve the game's overall atmosphere regarding dating someone who's got an enormous baggage. Actually, come to think of it. There must be a great way to change the romances.

If ever you go on with this, might I add that Aerie--and I believe that most people would agree with me on this--should take a maternity leave for her pregnancy? I find it crazy that she gives birth in two weeks to the most impervious baby ever. I think that is much easier to script than your plan for Jaheira. Still, just a suggestion though.

[Reticent]

polytope wrote...

Reticent wrote...

Rescuing Jaheira is almost literally the first thing you do in Shadows of Amn, there's just less exposition involved with it given where it falls in the game.

Let's not forget that Imoen rescues the player at the start of the game.

When did I ever say otherwise?  I was adding Jaheira to the list of people who get rescued, not subtracting anyone from it.

[Redcoat]

Saint of Sinners wrote...

polytope wrote...

Poor Khalid doesn't even get a decent burial, but stays on Irenicus' dissecting table. I'm tempted to mod this myself, so that his body can be taken somewhere (druid grove for instance) for funeral - and only after he's been laid to rest Jaheira's romance starts.

This is a wonderful touch on the game, IMO. It would improve the game's overall atmosphere regarding dating someone who's got an enormous baggage. Actually, come to think of it. There must be a great way to change the romances.

If ever you go on with this, might I add that Aerie--and I believe that most people would agree with me on this--should take a maternity leave for her pregnancy? I find it crazy that she gives birth in two weeks to the most impervious baby ever. I think that is much easier to script than your plan for Jaheira. Still, just a suggestion though.

One thing I've always wondered is if second-generation Bhaalspawn inherit any of the Bhaal taint from their fathers? Or if they are otherwise different from "normal" children?

[Grond0]

polytope wrote...

Redcoat wrote...
I thought Jaheira's romance was awful. That it comes right on the heels of her husband's brutal death makes it sound like my character is either her rebound boy, or Khalid was a complete loser that she didn't really care about that much.

Poor Khalid doesn't even get a decent burial, but stays on Irenicus' dissecting table. I'm tempted to mod this myself, so that his body can be taken somewhere (druid grove for instance) for funeral - and only after he's been laid to rest Jaheira's romance starts.

I'm not sure her quick move into another romance is particularly out of character.  The dialogue when she finds Khalid's body highlights her belief that life is for the living (and that Khalid would want her to get on with her life).  She also expresses a strong feeling that the body on the table is no longer anything to do with Khalid and should not be buried or otherwise honoured.

[Seagloom]

She is my second favorite character in BG2 behind Mazzy, and my favorite in the first game. Jaheira is resilient, level headed, capable, and courageous. She is not ruled by her emotions despite an occasional slip. Nor is she is a void of empathy who cannot connect with others. Jaheira may be the best female character to come out of a BioWare writing team.

If I have any complaint about Jaheira it is her romance. I am not referring to how quickly she seems to get over Khalid. Iffy as that may be, I had more issues with how the romance characterized Jaheira at times. For the most part it felt like an equal relationship--at least compared to Aerie and Viconia's romances. However, there were moments where Jaheira came across as a bit too dependent on the PC. I felt that broke with her characterization outside a romance.

Still, she is a great character despite my criticism. Although I blasphemously prefer Cernd as a druid for his portrayal of the class and extra spell slots. While Jaheira is the better overall character in a written and mechanical sense, I favor druids over fighter/druids. When I choose to bring along Jaheira it is because I like her as a character. I recruit Cernd if I want a druid. Sometimes I end up with both.

[morbidest2]

polytope wrote...

Reticent wrote...

Sparky The Barbarian wrote...

Most romantic leads in games and many stories are damsels in distress. In BG almost every other female must be rescued (Dynaheir, Nalia, Mazzy, Branwen, Aerie, Viconia (twice).

Rescuing Jaheira is almost literally the first thing you do in Shadows of Amn, there's just less exposition involved with it given where it falls in the game.

Let's not forget that Imoen rescues the player at the start of the game.

Redcoat wrote...

I thought Jaheira's romance was awful. That it comes right on the heels of her husband's brutal death makes it sound like my character is either her rebound boy, or Khalid was a complete loser that she didn't really care about that much.

Poor Khalid doesn't even get a decent burial, but stays on Irenicus' dissecting table. I'm tempted to mod this myself, so that his body can be taken somewhere (druid grove for instance) for funeral - and only after he's been laid to rest Jaheira's romance starts.

Polytope, If you ever do that bit of modding, I would suggest cremating the corpse - and burning down Chez Irenicus in the process as you leave - so that Jaheira only has to lug around a nice little urn instead of a moldering corpse until the time the group finally makes it to the Druid Grove  . Presumably a truly incensed Jaheira could momentarily function on a level 7 clerical magic plane and torch the joint  .

[hannibal555]

@Seagloom
These two are my favorites, too.

Jaheira can be annoying sometimes with her attitude, especially in the beginning.
Later on this changes a bit, plus, she has a bunch of interesting character related side quests.

From the powergamer perspective she is one of the strongest npcs available.
As a fighter she can hit things pretty well, in addition she has Iron Skins, and can't be hit herself ^^.
With the fire elemental she's got one of the best summons, and the insect swarm spells are one of the best mage disablers in the game.
She's good with spears (with the impaler she probably will be the main damage dealer) or build her as a dual weapon specialist.
She just needs a bit time to get developed properly.

Modifié par hannibal555, 12 juillet 2011 - 04:13 .

[aries1001]

I like Jaheira too, almost the moment I met - ahem- in the game, I mean. I've heard rumours about Viconia's romance being either spectacular or tragic....

I consider Jaheira the most interesting feminine companion, npc, in the game. As for her reaction to Khalid's death, let's remember that she's a druid; this gives her a special outlook on life, especially on
death. As Grond0 mentions, discovering that Khalid is death makes it (more) clear to her that life is for the living, and probably also that all that lives must die sometimes. And that the body of Khalid is not Khalid, but merely a shell...

As for the romance, it is indeed very well written as well as being the most equal relations-ships in the game; Jaheira definetely know to fend for herself, both in combat and in other situations...

[Redcoat]

aries1001 wrote...

I like Jaheira too, almost the moment I met - ahem- in the game, I mean. I've heard rumours about Viconia's romance being either spectacular or tragic....

I consider Jaheira the most interesting feminine companion, npc, in the game. As for her reaction to Khalid's death, let's remember that she's a druid; this gives her a special outlook on life, especially on
death. As Grond0 mentions, discovering that Khalid is death makes it (more) clear to her that life is for the living, and probably also that all that lives must die sometimes. And that the body of Khalid is not Khalid, but merely a shell...

As for the romance, it is indeed very well written as well as being the most equal relations-ships in the game; Jaheira definetely know to fend for herself, both in combat and in other situations...

Viconia's romance probably has the most depth of the four romance options, although I've never actually gone through it (I just read the dialogue files for her romance arc). I personally dislike Viconia too much for me to be anything but a complete jerk to her (I detest romances that involve individuals bickering and insulting each other, which then oh-so-conveniently blossoms into TRUE LOVE. HATE HATE HATE this!)

Modifié par Redcoat, 12 juillet 2011 - 06:21 .

[Charlestonian Knight Templar]

I'm a Jaheira fan too. Definately my favorite female NPC.

I've never completed the romance with her but enjoy 'playing the game' until some snag in the software hoses it up. Note: I'd written more about this but just noticed this was a 'no spoiler allowed' forum.

Either way she's always in my party, BGI or BGII. Right now I'm back in the Cloakwood Mines in TotSC and she's right there giving my PC good advise. I changed her alignment to NG though.

Sometimes in BGI I think about trying to play through with Branwen as a Cleric of Helm but I always go back to my girl - er, Khalid's wife.

And, in BGII, I most often play with both she and Anomen even though they have many of the same spells - there are some differences which make them an effective combination.

CKT

[HoonDing]

I too always have her in my party from start to finish. She's a beast with Staff of the Ram.

I do think, though, that she should have been "neutral good" rather than "true neutral".

Modifié par virumor, 12 juillet 2011 - 07:22 .