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[Stardusk78]

I really like that voice actor so it would be great if he would make a come back in a major character role?

Any news on this?

[Kaiser Shepard]

As Dr. Gavin Archer? Possibly, but don't be surprised if he isn't there.

As Admiral Han'Gerrel vas Neema? Almost certainly.

[Saberchic]

I might have to shoot him on sight.

Overlord is the only mission that I always go paragon on, even with my renegades.

Modifié par Saberchic, 10 juillet 2011 - 02:32 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

I agree with Saberchic, always bothered me that he wasn't killable in Overlord (same for David, though).

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 10 juillet 2011 - 03:32 .

[George-Kinsill]

Saberchic wrote...

I might have to shoot him on sight.

Overlord is the only mission that I always go paragon on, even with my renegades.

Really? Is it because using a human like that to control the geth is just horrible, or that Dr. Archer is a complete f********* that almost destroyed the galaxy, or some other reason?

[ladyvader]

Saberchic wrote...

I might have to shoot him on sight.

Overlord is the only mission that I always go paragon on, even with my renegades.

Seeing what he did to another human was bad enough, what set it over top was that human was his brother.  WTF?? 

[khordlambert]

George-Kinsill wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

I might have to shoot him on sight.

Overlord is the only mission that I always go paragon on, even with my renegades.

Really? Is it because using a human like that to control the geth is just horrible, or that Dr. Archer is a complete f********* that almost destroyed the galaxy, or some other reason?

Why not all of the above?

[Saberchic]

George-Kinsill wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

I might have to shoot him on sight.

Overlord is the only mission that I always go paragon on, even with my renegades.

Really? Is it because using a human like that to control the geth is just horrible, or that Dr. Archer is a complete f********* that almost destroyed the galaxy, or some other reason?

Both. *shudders at the memory of David hooked up with all those tubes*

It's a line none of my Sheps would cross; it's simply horrifying. Plus, he forced his brother into it. It's not like he volunteered for it. I might feel a little different about it if David volunteered.

Also, I have a sister that is autistic, so it hits a little close to home. If someone did anything remotely close to what Dr. Archer did to her, I'd kill them without hesitation or remorse.

I was actually quite vexed that there was no option to kill him. You can kill a lot of other random people. (Sometimes I hate plot armor! )

[Saberchic]

ladyvader wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

I might have to shoot him on sight.

Overlord is the only mission that I always go paragon on, even with my renegades.

Seeing what he did to another human was bad enough, what set it over top was that human was his brother.  WTF?? 

I know. It's just... there's no word good enough to convey the horror I felt the first time I played that mission.
I still get misty-eyed when I replay that mission.

[Solgineer]

I feel like I am in the 5% of people who chose the Renegade option first time through. Although looking back on it now it does seem pointless to go Renegade if you had Legion reprogram the Geth.

[Saberchic]

Solgineer wrote...

I feel like I am in the 5% of people who chose the Renegade option first time through. Although looking back on it now it does seem pointless to go Renegade if you had Legion reprogram the Geth.

Not if you're playing a pro-human Shepard. It could make sense then.

So does this mean you don't do it now? Do you still do it if you just destroy the geth instead of uploading the virus?

[ladyvader]

Saberchic wrote...

George-Kinsill wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

I might have to shoot him on sight.

Overlord is the only mission that I always go paragon on, even with my renegades.

Really? Is it because using a human like that to control the geth is just horrible, or that Dr. Archer is a complete f********* that almost destroyed the galaxy, or some other reason?

Both. *shudders at the memory of David hooked up with all those tubes*

It's a line none of my Sheps would cross; it's simply horrifying. Plus, he forced his brother into it. It's not like he volunteered for it. I might feel a little different about it if David volunteered.

Also, I have a sister that is autistic, so it hits a little close to home. If someone did anything remotely close to what Dr. Archer did to her, I'd kill them without hesitation or remorse.

I was actually quite vexed that there was no option to kill him. You can kill a lot of other random people. (Sometimes I hate plot armor! )

I did like the pistol whip the paragon Shepard gave to Dr. Archer though.  Too bad Shepard hit the right side of his face and the left side was bloodied.  Ahhh.mmmmm:blink:

[Solgineer]

Saberchic wrote...

Solgineer wrote...

I feel like I am in the 5% of people who chose the Renegade option first time through. Although looking back on it now it does seem pointless to go Renegade if you had Legion reprogram the Geth.

Not if you're playing a pro-human Shepard. It could make sense then.

So does this mean you don't do it now? Do you still do it if you just destroy the geth instead of uploading the virus?

I actually don't do that anymore, it was just the first character I did that DLC with was a pure Engineer Renegade. Killed Rachni, killed the Council, saved the base; generally a ruthless bastard. I am actually pro-alien on my canon playthrough.

[Saberchic]

ladyvader wrote...

I did like the pistol whip the paragon Shepard gave to Dr. Archer though.  Too bad Shepard hit the right side of his face and the left side was bloodied.  Ahhh.mmmmm:blink:

Yes, one of the paragon actions that was actually very cool to perform.

Well, I think we'd better hit him again on the other side of the face to even that out in ME3. :innocent:

[ladyvader]

Saberchic wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

I did like the pistol whip the paragon Shepard gave to Dr. Archer though.  Too bad Shepard hit the right side of his face and the left side was bloodied.  Ahhh.mmmmm:blink:

Yes, one of the paragon actions that was actually very cool to perform.

Well, I think we'd better hit him again on the other side of the face to even that out in ME3. :innocent:

That works for me. 

[Quole]

George-Kinsill wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

I might have to shoot him on sight.

Overlord is the only mission that I always go paragon on, even with my renegades.

Really? Is it because using a human like that to control the geth is just horrible, or that Dr. Archer is a complete f********* that almost destroyed the galaxy, or some other reason?

I always go renegade on that mission. In fact, I cant even bring myself to go paragon on that mission.

[Seboist]

Solgineer wrote...

I feel like I am in the 5% of people who chose the Renegade option first time through. Although looking back on it now it does seem pointless to go Renegade if you had Legion reprogram the Geth.

It's not pointless, Legion never guarantees long term peace with organics and there's a risk of the Heretics' perspective/memories negatively affecting the orthodox Geth ("traumitizing them" in Shepard's own words).

[Stardusk78]

And the voice actor? will he return?

[naledgeborn]

Stardusk78 wrote...

And the voice actor? will he return?

Don't worry. I have a strong suspicion that Simon Templeman will be leading the Quarian Armada into battle. Giving them some much need credibility when it comes to things like war.

[DaringMoosejaw]

Smacked him in the face with a phalanx. Was good enough.

[George-Kinsill]

Quole wrote...

George-Kinsill wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

I might have to shoot him on sight.

Overlord is the only mission that I always go paragon on, even with my renegades.

Really? Is it because using a human like that to control the geth is just horrible, or that Dr. Archer is a complete f********* that almost destroyed the galaxy, or some other reason?

I always go renegade on that mission. In fact, I cant even bring myself to go paragon on that mission.

Now that's just sad. Personally, I have a hard time doing many renegade jerk actions, so I'm usually a paragon, but not being able to bring yourself to do the paragon option is outrageous. The way I look at it, its far morally superior to keep the collector base than to give David to Cerberus, as;

1) The orthodox geth have no interest in destroying organics as they are isolationist, so mind controlling them would be akin to randomilly mind controlling all the Asari or Quarians for no reason,
2) David was being used against his will and was in extreme pain, undoutedly a morally reprehensible act, and
3) THhere's a good chance Archer will screw things up again with the second experiment, and cause a technological apocolypse if David goes rogue again. Tthere is a good chance this might happen as experiments of this magnitude take many, many tries, and Shepard can't baby sit and make sure Archer doesn't screw up again, as he has Reapers to fight.

So if you are a Kantian deontologist, it is morally wrong for obvious reasons, and if you are a utilitarianist, it is also wrong as the utility gained is dependent on the chance of going to war with the Geth, which is quite low, and pails in comparison to the negative consequence of all life in the galaxy being destroyed. Archer himself said millions of lives would be saved IF the experiment works, but trillions will die if the experiment fails again, for which Archer has already shown is very likely.

To sum it up, I understand if in a renegade playthrough if you give David to Cerberus, but if you have a paragon playthrough, it's an extremely easy choice to make to give David to Grissom academy.

[KingNothing125]

Teryn Loghain was a contemptible bastard, but his voice acting was great.

But yeah, I'm sure he'll be back as the Quarian admiral, at the very least.

[eternalnightmare13]

George-Kinsill wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

I might have to shoot him on sight.

Overlord is the only mission that I always go paragon on, even with my renegades.

Really? Is it because using a human like that to control the geth is just horrible, or that Dr. Archer is a complete f********* that almost destroyed the galaxy, or some other reason?

For me it's cause he's a ********** that used his own brother in a inhumane tortorous cruel experiment.  Using another human for it's bad enough.  Your own flesh and blood is a billion times worse.  Especially a brother who's mentally handicap. It's like punching a baby to get it's candy.

[Destroy Raiden_]

I wouldn't be surprised if Archer turns up working with the reapers they get shep and hook him up to become grayson 2.0 he's a bastard like that. I would also like to see David perhapse barrow him to communicate to the geth so we can get through the veil w/o being shot.

[ReallyRue]

eternalnightmare13 wrote...

George-Kinsill wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

I might have to shoot him on sight.

Overlord is the only mission that I always go paragon on, even with my renegades.

Really? Is it because using a human like that to control the geth is just horrible, or that Dr. Archer is a complete f********* that almost destroyed the galaxy, or some other reason?

For me it's cause he's a ********** that used his own brother in a inhumane tortorous cruel experiment.  Using another human for it's bad enough.  Your own flesh and blood is a billion times worse.  Especially a brother who's mentally handicap. It's like punching a baby to get it's candy.

Same here, I almost always play renegades, and have picked the paragon option every time (except for one, where I always pick the ren options to see what happens). The only way I'd want to see Archer again is so that I can kill him.