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[HSHAW]

The Grey Wardens are supposed to be neutral, why risk that neutrality by attacking Meredith?

[DreamerM]

Same thing Zevran gains if he joins the last fight.

Fan Recognition.

[Vit246]

In the wisdom of Captain Barbossa: Grey Warden neutrality is more like a guideline than an actual rule.

[Macropodmum]

When the wardens at Soldiers Peak saw an injustice by a tyrant they stood up and fought against it regardless of the fact that they were meant to be neutral.

[HSHAW]

Macropodmum wrote...

When the wardens at Soldiers Peak saw an injustice by a tyrant they stood up and fought against it regardless of the fact that they were meant to be neutral.

Didn't a good portion of the wardens desert?

[TEWR]

Vit246 wrote...

In the wisdom of Captain Barbossa: Grey Warden neutrality is more like a guideline than an actual rule.

You have won epic badassery points for a PotC reference.



I think the Chantry is moving against the Wardens (see Dark Epiphany where the bandits were hired by someone) so now the Wardens are moving against the Chantry.


Or Nathaniel recognized Meredith was an insane ****** that needed to be put down.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 10 juillet 2011 - 07:09 .

[Macropodmum]

HSHAW wrote...

Macropodmum wrote...

When the wardens at Soldiers Peak saw an injustice by a tyrant they stood up and fought against it regardless of the fact that they were meant to be neutral.

Didn't a good portion of the wardens desert?

Admittedly I didn't read all the codex entries but there were an awful lot of wardens listed on the wall as those who stood against the tyrant (can't remember his name), there were an awful lot of wardens fell in battle (as evidenced by their corpses who were attacking me) and those that didn't die against the army were killed by demons or used in Avernus's experiments.   My point being though that no matter how neutral you want to profess to be, it is intrinsiclly a part of human nature in some to want to intervene when gross misjustice is being evidenced.

[TEWR]

Arland was his name. And there wasn't anything to indicate that any Wardens deserted when Sophia stood against Arland. They retreated to Avernus' Tower when the demons took control of the Keep, at which point Avernus used them for his experiments while I guess enacting something to protect him from the demons for all those years.

Or the demons are stupid.

[Macropodmum]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

[I think the Chantry is moving against the Wardens (see Dark Epiphany where the bandits were hired by someone) so now the Wardens are moving against the Chantry..

That is plausable too

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Or Nathaniel recognized Meredith was an insane ****** that needed to be put down.

Lol

[Foolsfolly]

I'm betting Easter Egg.

[ImoenBaby]

Hawke helps Nathaniel out, Nathaniel reciprocates?

I'd "help" Nathaniel any time  

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

HSHAW wrote...

The Grey Wardens are supposed to be neutral, why risk that neutrality by attacking Meredith?

I don't think who Meredith was mattered. You'd helped Nathaniel, you were fighting for your life, so he wanted to help you.

[HSHAW]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

HSHAW wrote...

The Grey Wardens are supposed to be neutral, why risk that neutrality by attacking Meredith?

I don't think who Meredith was mattered. You'd helped Nathaniel, you were fighting for your life, so he wanted to help you.

Two questions still remain though:

What was Nathaniel doing in the gallows and will anything happen as a result of him breaking the Grey Wardens' neutrality?

[whykikyouwhy]

HSHAW wrote...

Two questions still remain though:

What was Nathaniel doing in the gallows and will anything happen as a result of him breaking the Grey Wardens' neutrality?

Nathaniel may have still been in Kirkwall for his sister - with the conflict breaking out in Act 3, perhaps he was trying to smuggle her out of the city, but his desire/inclination to right wrongs led him to the heart of the battle. On a very base level, he could have been involved in the fight to protect the city and his family (did he feel similarly regarding Amaranthine?).

The Grey Wardens may not even be aware of his involvement. Only a handful of people were there in the core battle against Meredith, and most of what is known is probably due to Varric's account. The templars who arrive at the end may not be inclined to speak of a Warden's presence - they're too busy trying to put their order back together. So too, if a Grey Warden fought against the Knight Commander, he, and possiblty the entire order, may not be inclined to side with the templars in the long run. Therefore the templars may have less reason to talk about Nathaniel, and instead will shift their focus to the break with the mages.

Nathaniel may have just slipped into the shadows afterwards and faded into self-made obscurity.

[DRTJR]

The Templars may not have known he was a warden, he wasn't wearing the Team uniform

[RangerSG]

Given what Anders did, Grey Warden neutrality with the Chantry may be irrelevant at this point. Nathanial may have seen the writing on the wall and decided to help since they were screwed anyway.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Wait, when does this happen? At the end battle? I've never seen Nathaniel in the end battle before. Zevran and Aveline's husband yes, Nathaniel no. Or I was to busy fighting Meredith to notice.

I've always found it strange that Leliana never shows up at the end battle or I haven't seen her.

[whykikyouwhy]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Wait, when does this happen? At the end battle? I've never seen Nathaniel in the end battle before. Zevran and Aveline's husband yes, Nathaniel no. Or I was to busy fighting Meredith to notice.

I've always found it strange that Leliana never shows up at the end battle or I haven't seen her.

I don't have the full list, but the characters who arrive at the final battle with Meredith can include Donnic, Zevran, and/or Nathaniel. It's all meant to help you even out the odds in the final battle, and is contingent on how many companions you have lost or killed, so I think who you see, and how many non-companions you see, differs.

I don't think Leliana is intended to be there since her involvement in DA2 is limited to the Epilogue, unless you purchase the Exiled Prince DLC.

*Edited the top bit - was a bit clumsy in my wording.

Modifié par whykikyouwhy, 10 juillet 2011 - 04:10 .

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

RangerSG wrote...

Given what Anders did, Grey Warden neutrality with the Chantry may be irrelevant at this point. Nathanial may have seen the writing on the wall and decided to help since they were screwed anyway.

The wardens can claim that Anders ran away from the order.  I do see a confrontation brewing between the Wardens and the Chantry.  Wardens take apostate mages into the order all the time.  Plus many players say the joining is a blood magic ritual and I see it along those lines.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Wait, when does this happen? At the end battle? I've never seen Nathaniel in the end battle before. Zevran and Aveline's husband yes, Nathaniel no. Or I was to busy fighting Meredith to notice.

I've always found it strange that Leliana never shows up at the end battle or I haven't seen her.

At the final battle, if you have lost or killed companions, other characters that you have encountered will join the fight to help even the odds (it's a game mechanic, I believe). I don't have the full list, but the characters who arrive can include Donnic, Zevran, and/or Nathaniel.

I don't think Leliana is intended to be there since her involvement in DA2 is limited to the Epilogue, unless you purchase the Exiled Prince DLC.

Thanks for the info.  I didn't know this.

[Wulfram]

He only fights against Meredith after shes obviously gone totally nuts and even the Templars have turned against her. I don't think that's an issue - I wouldn't expect Abominations to be covered by Warden neutrality either.

Hawke's warden sibling joining up to fight would be an issue though.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Useless eye candy cameo.

[DRTJR]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

RangerSG wrote...

Given what Anders did, Grey Warden neutrality with the Chantry may be irrelevant at this point. Nathanial may have seen the writing on the wall and decided to help since they were screwed anyway.

The wardens can claim that Anders ran away from the order.  I do see a confrontation brewing between the Wardens and the Chantry.  Wardens take apostate mages into the order all the time.  Plus many players say the joining is a blood magic ritual and I see it along those lines.

I think the Open use of Blood magic would be the thing the chantry hates the most 

[MinotaurWarrior]

Nathaniel became a Grey Warden under Warden-Commander "I'm going to decide who sits on two thrones!"

I really doubt he's all that concerned with neutrality.