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[Wheat]

I really enjoyed DA:O and didn't care for the sequel. I haven't been really following Dragon Age since I played DA:2, is Laidlaw still the lead developer? From all the interviews he seemed pretty committed to keeping all the DA2 changes he made, and only seemed concerned about making sure future games didn't recycle as much content. I suppose I am one of those fans who (as Mike put it) thought: "Wow, this is just too different and I cannot handle it."

So, is he still in charge of the series? Is the "DA2 was a necessary change" still the official policy? I don't mean to stir up any trouble, I am just wondering if I should be paying attention to the development of DLC or DA3, etc.

Thanks in advance!

[Firky]

Veiled attempt at a "fire person" thread? (Not that anyone on the forum could probably conclusively say, but perhaps the designers work as a team, rather than being led by one person.)

If not a veiled attempt at a "fire person" thread, I don't know if "DA2 was a necessary change" is official policy, but I guess you could argue that some aspects were a necessary change. I think the talent trees have more potential, for example.

PS. "Wow, this is just too different and I cannot handle it" is probably inaccurately paraphrasing what he said somewhere, out of context.

Modifié par Firky, 10 juillet 2011 - 12:33 .

[Kail Ashton]

Ahhh the joys of being "the face" behind the DA series, this is always a mixed bag, sure it's just pestering/trolling the head guy by these things that inhabit these forums, but....

At the end of the day he still had to stamp the aproval on every bad choice in dragon age 2(recycled dungeons ), so i can't do a "leave laidlaw alone!!" video clip on youtube in his defense, but i don't expect an apology or his job termination, that's just childishly moronic

However i as a consumer no longer trust Mr. Laidlaw to produce a quality product, origins recycled dlc irked me, awakening was such a rushed mess that it STILL barely works AND screws up my DA imports & now DA2 with even more recycling & rushed messes

It'll take a hellofa lotta time & effort to win back my faith in both the DA series and one Mr. Laidlaw, i no longer feel confidant in preordering or day 1 buying anything from either

[Monica83]

Me too im am note able to thrust anymore for me bioware lost all the credibility due to insults "People that are afraid to change".. "haters" and marketing lies

[JaegerBane]

Kail Ashton wrote...
It'll take a hellofa lotta time & effort to win back my faith in both the DA series and one Mr. Laidlaw, i no longer feel confidant in preordering or day 1 buying anything from either

Same here. I'll wait for the reviews next time.

(Ironically I waited for the reviews with DA:O, because I was worried it was going to be another Dungeon Siege.... seems like I've come full circle )

I really think all that commentary about how people 'just can't handle change' didn't do anyone at Bioware any favours. It put across the impression that they can't accept negative feedback... which hardly gives anyone any confidence that DA3 is going to worth bothering with.

Modifié par JaegerBane, 10 juillet 2011 - 03:34 .

[Vengeful Nature]

Firky wrote...

"Wow, this is just too different and I cannot handle it" is probably inaccurately paraphrasing what he said somewhere, out of context.

Nope, it's a direct quote. Here's the article.

In general, Mike's got the EA execs to answer to, who in turn have the EA shareholders to answer to. Since Bioware now comes under the EA umbrella, you're not going to see any real changes for the better any time soon. So you might as well get used to your corporate yes-men if you intend to stick with Bioware games in the future.

Modifié par Vengeful Nature, 10 juillet 2011 - 03:39 .

[Kail Ashton]

Vengeful Nature wrote...

Firky wrote...

"Wow, this is just too different and I cannot handle it" is probably inaccurately paraphrasing what he said somewhere, out of context.

Nope, it's a direct quote. Here's the article.

In general, Mike's got the EA execs to answer to, who in turn have the EA shareholders to answer to. Since Bioware now comes under the EA umbrella, you're not going to see any real changes for the better any time soon. So you might as well get used to your corporate yes-men if you intend to stick with Bioware games in the future.

lol rather blunt & synical, though i can't exactly argue with your logic either

[Valcutio]

I don't think anyone wants him fired, per se. Personally, I just think his talents would be better served in a more focused position instead of being in charge of so much. Maybe just have him focus on PR or being the liaison between EA and Bioware for the next game and leave the lead designing to someone more established in that regard. A small rearrangement of positions and everyone will work more fully to their potential.

See? We can say things like a politician too, Mike.

[Jamie_edmo]

Vengeful Nature wrote...

Firky wrote...

"Wow, this is just too different and I cannot handle it" is probably inaccurately paraphrasing what he said somewhere, out of context.

Nope, it's a direct quote. Here's the article.

In general, Mike's got the EA execs to answer to, who in turn have the EA shareholders to answer to. Since Bioware now comes under the EA umbrella, you're not going to see any real changes for the better any time soon. So you might as well get used to your corporate yes-men if you intend to stick with Bioware games in the future.

Although I disagree with the whole "Wow, this is just too different and I cannot handle it" stance that interview was just after the game released, and with all the feedback received things may have changed so I wouldn't take that as gods-honest-truth

[alex90c]

Jamie_edmo wrote...

Vengeful Nature wrote...

Firky wrote...

"Wow, this is just too different and I cannot handle it" is probably inaccurately paraphrasing what he said somewhere, out of context.

Nope, it's a direct quote. Here's the article.

In general, Mike's got the EA execs to answer to, who in turn have the EA shareholders to answer to. Since Bioware now comes under the EA umbrella, you're not going to see any real changes for the better any time soon. So you might as well get used to your corporate yes-men if you intend to stick with Bioware games in the future.

Although I disagree with the whole "Wow, this is just too different and I cannot handle it" stance that interview was just after the game released, and with all the feedback received things may have changed so I wouldn't take that as gods-honest-truth

http://www.eurogamer...ss-fan-feedback

Check the date: June 17, 2011

Now for the quote:

"But also there were a lot of fans of the original Dragon Age: Origins
who weren't as happy with it. Maybe they were looking for more of the
same, and it was different and innovative in ways they weren't
expecting.

So basically, Origins fans disliked DA2 because they can't take change or "innovation".

[Jamie_edmo]

alex90c wrote...

http://www.eurogamer...ss-fan-feedback

Check the date: June 17, 2011

Thats a different article than the one i was refering to

Edit: I see what you meant, ignore my post

Modifié par Jamie_edmo, 10 juillet 2011 - 03:59 .

[xkg]

Hey, why fire him. He was a Lead Writer for Jade Empire - and imo story of JE and JE in general was a very good game.

Maybe he should try that again (i mean the Lead Writer postion) in the next Dragon Age instalment.

[Monica83]

I don't know i never be interested in jade empire... But now im able to understeand where the japan influence in da2 comes from by the way: I prefear the old design than this mess

[alex90c]

JE was the very first Bioware RPG I played (hell, it was the first RPG I'd ever played of my own accord, and prior to that I'd only played FFIX years prior) and I thought it was great; stick Laidlaw as lead designer for a JE2 and that would be great, just keep him as far as possible from Dragon Age.

[CrimsonZephyr]

Never trust the word "innovation." It's a buzzword used to obfuscate poorly thought out changes.

[daemon1129]

Monica83 wrote...

I don't know i never be interested in jade empire... But now im able to understeand where the japan influence in da2 comes from by the way: I prefear the old design than this mess

TBH I fail to see the connection between DA2 and Japan in general.  Also I don't want Laidlaw to design DA3.  Nothing personally, I just don't like the style of games he makes regardless of the quality of the product. 

[Travie]

At this point (because of the way they lied in the developer diaries and advertisements) I don't believe much of what they say anyway.

It would be moving in a positive direction (in my opinion) to replace mike ladlaiw, but since he DID make a profit with DA2 he probably wont be.

[Firky]

Vengeful Nature wrote...

Firky wrote...

"Wow, this is just too different and I cannot handle it" is probably inaccurately paraphrasing what he said somewhere, out of context.

Nope, it's a direct quote. Here's the article.

I stand corrected. And I do agree that that bit doesn't come across well.

I guess, in the context of the whole interview, it's probably one badly phrased bit. It reads to me, very much, like it's a "talking" interview, not a written one. I imagine it must be difficult to phrase everything exactly how you would want to in that kind of live situation, and that it would be more difficult to get a true representation of how you actually feel about stuff across, than if you could spend time writing an answer.

Still, yes, that bit comes across badly, and I'm surprised it is a "direct quote" (if a little curtailed) and I could understand why it would upset people.

It's not that I'm trying to bloodymindedly defend bad PR or Laidlaw (although I do think he's great), just that perhaps one poorly worded phrase is just that, and not something suggestive of, as the OP put it, "official policy."

[jds1bio]

That article was from four months ago. There have been additional responses on the forums from him and others since then. By saying "I don't mean to stir up trouble", you are obviously already aware of the many previous threads calling for people to be fired and worse. Let's not make this thread yet another one of those.

If the answer to the topic is "Yes", then what are you going to do? If you are asking whether you should pay attention to the "dev cycle", by asking that question I think you already have your answer.

[WilliamShatner]

Bring back Harry Knowles!!!

[xkg]

WilliamShatner wrote...

Bring back Harry Knowles!!!

Who is he ?

[In Exile]

xkg wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...

Bring back Harry Knowles!!!

Who is he ?

I think he means Brent Knowles, who was the lead on DA:O and (if I recall) resigned over the proposed direction of DA2.

[FieryDove]

xkg wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...

Bring back Harry Knowles!!!

Who is he ?

I think they meant Brent.

What DA truly needs is Georg Zoeller then maybe the waves would not have happened.
But they forced him to go to ToR, yes forced! No...stole!

[xkg]

Ahh Brent, kk. I just thought for a while - maybe there was another Knowles working on DAO.

[In Exile]

FieryDove wrote...
What DA truly needs is Georg Zoeller then maybe the waves would not have happened.
But they forced him to go to ToR, yes forced! No...stole!

Georg was great. He even had the tentative wiki on the combat system after DA:O was out and the hotfix for dex.