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[Badpie]

I know ME3 will be chock full of tragedy because it's full on galactic war and all that, etc. etc. I'm wondering how much personal tragedy they'll throw in for Shepard and the squad. I'm kind of hoping they stay away from that, honestly. Or at least keep it to a minimum.  

They mentioned awhile back that ME3 wouldn't be as "dark"(?) as ME2. Hoping that's the case. "Emotionally engaging" is fine. I just don't wanna be bogged down with Battlestar Galactica tone where every episode made you want to give up hope and just kill yourself.  I mean there is such a thing as too much tragedy where you can only get so happy.

What do you guys think?  Would you rather they go full blown over the top soap opera or keep as many things as they can light and fun in light of tragic events unfolding?

Modifié par Badpie, 10 juillet 2011 - 01:21 .

[termokanden]

I don't really get how ME2 was too dark. But I definitely don't want to see a lot of personal tragedy. I'm also really hoping we don't get a classic "hero self-sacrifice" ending, but that's probably just me.

[vanslyke85]

yea I don't see how ME2 was dark either...it's not hard to have all your squad members survive. There may be some darker tones and topics like the genophage and the geth and quarian war but there's hardly even any gore or deaths of people you know. I hope in ME3 there is some personal tragedy. Maybe Anderson and Chakwas die or Anderson and one or 2 other squad members depending on your choices throughout the game or final mission. I just feel like Anderson has been a guy thats sacrificed so much throughout this series and I just always get the feeling he's going to do some crazy heroic thing killing himself but also tipping the scales of the war in favour of the allies. Or there could be some choices like in ME1 where you must choose which characters will stay behind somewhere or go scout something and end up dying. There has to be deaths in the squad...we aren't invincible. It'll give the game more impact and depth.

[Captain Crash]

The games started as a Space Opera, even though they try and steer away from it now. However its not a root they can cut off. That leads me to believe that the choice element will have more weight. If you make a bad one then its your downfall and some tragedy will happen. Much like the Suicide mission.

Ultimately though I think there will be an inevitable sacrifice. A game as big as they are making out, it seems so unlikely you can choose every correct decision and there a perfect outcome. Plus it a big add to gameplay in my opinion. I really hope there is something you cant skirt away from and you have to make that tough decision of a leader. Much like on Virmire but with deeper consequences. We have made so may choices (from rewriting Geth to saving the Rachni) its time to see the weight of these for better and/or worse.

[HogarthHughes 3]

A little realism in storytelling ≠ over the top soap opera. ME2 may have tried a little hard sometimes (for example Jacks LM or Morinths victim Nef), but overall it was hardly depressing. If anything, should Bioware follow LotSB's example with frequent banter during combat the game will probably have a lighter tone. More decisions like Virmire (Ashley/Kaidan) would be great if used sparingly though, everyone making it through a la ME2 would be something of a let down.

[eternalnightmare13]

I never saw ME2 as being darker then ME1.  To borrow your tv/movie analogy I would say I'd rather have it be like the movie adapatation of Two Towers.  Yeah, there's tragedy but there's a also some humor, ass kicking, and a little romance even.  ME is a game and people play it to have fun.  I think BW can do a good job of balancing things out, they did so in ME2 with Conrad, the asari bartender, the bachelor party, etc to counter act the grim nature of the Collectors.  As long as they don't throw in a bollywood style ending I'm good.

Badpie wrote...

I know ME3 will be chock full of tragedy because it's full on galactic war and all that, etc. etc. I'm wondering how much personal tragedy they'll throw in for Shepard and the squad. I'm kind of hoping they stay away from that, honestly. Or at least keep it to a minimum.  

They mentioned awhile back that ME3 wouldn't be as "dark"(?) as ME2. Hoping that's the case. "Emotionally engaging" is fine. I just don't wanna be bogged down with Battlestar Galactica tone where every episode made you want to give up hope and just kill yourself.  I mean there is such a thing as too much tragedy where you can only get so happy.

What do you guys think?  Would you rather they go full blown over the top soap opera or keep as many things as they can light and fun in light of tragic events unfolding?

[medcsu]

I have no doubt that some of our crew mates will end up being indocrinated and being a mole (per say).

[CrazyRah]

For me ME2 was barely dark. It was like some clouds getting in the way of the sun. I hope it will be some personal tragedy in ME3. Not too much of it ofcourse but something would be great. I'm sure Bioware will be able to find the right mix between tragedy and hilarious stuff

[Badpie]

I'm all for drama and even decisions and outcomes that will gut me emotionally. I'm expecting that. I don't think it would be Mass Effect without those things. But if the game is oversaturated with that stuff it will lose its meaning and just become a big ball of hard to swallow melodrama. That's what I don't want.

I use the term "dark" for ME2 because it was the term Bioware used. I did feel like there were places where they tried a little too hard to make an emotional impact. I actually thought ME1 was more emotionally satisfying in a lot of ways because you had the big "wow" moments but it didn't seem to want to bog you down with drama too much.

I'm hoping ME3 will be a combination of those things. The lighter tone of the squad banter, things like Conrad and other amusing, even comical side ventures. But it does have to be weighed with the events of the story. I think that will be challenging for the writers to still do that and not make everything doom and gloom.

I also hope they stay away from the cliche things like "save your love interest or save 3,000 people" or "get a happy ending for everyone but you have to sacrifice yourself." I still want a "happy" ending (realistically happy on a personal level for Shepard I mean).

[KillTheLastRomantic]

What exactly is so 'dark' about ME2? It's always referred to as 'dark' but when playing it I never really got that impression.

Personally, I hope there IS a lot of tragedy in ME3. The reapers are supposed to be a major threat and I want to feel that.

[Badpie]

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

What exactly is so 'dark' about ME2? It's always referred to as 'dark' but when playing it I never really got that impression.

Personally, I hope there IS a lot of tragedy in ME3. The reapers are supposed to be a major threat and I want to feel that.

I want to feel that too, but I also don't want it to be a chore to finish the game because nothing about it makes me feel anything but dreary, crushing, defeat.  Haha!

[termokanden]

There's a difference between tragedy and personal tragedy for Shepard. General tragedy in ME3 is inevitable.

[nhsk]

As long as I get to sacrifice Vega instead of a LI or Garrus I am happy enough... Perfect ending

I'm really just tired of the sunshine and bunnies people, it is galactic war for crying out loud, not some suicide mission. Hard choices are not "do you save rachni or krogan" because frankly they are just statistics among millions, a cared for character is much more worth.

I'm not saying everyone should die, or that the Reapers should win. I'm all for a happy ending, but a happy ending can be achieved with personal losses.

And don't give me the crap that I can choose to lose people on the suicide mission for the loss effect, as that means deliberately making bad decisions - Sometimes the choice really needs to be taken out of the players hand so loss is inevitable, the only thing you can change is which squad member that goes.

Also gives more opportunities with the remaining crew, survivors guilt etc.

Edit: And cared for character probably means that Vega will never be put in that position as anyone would sacrifice him, unless BW makes an exceptional job at making him much more interesting than Tali, Garrus, Liara or VS (latter option may not be that hard come to think of it... *whistle*)

Modifié par nhsk, 10 juillet 2011 - 02:07 .

[Badpie]

I don't want sunshine and bunnies. That would be silly considering what's happening.

I'm also not oppose to scripted unavoidable death of a squad member or two, but I am opposed to not having the decision about say, who to choose for that.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

I'm against the "sunshine and bunnies" ending as well. Honestly, I'd want Shepard to save the galaxy, but have in be largely smoking ruins with lots of losses.

That's the thing that pissed me off about the SM... you could really only lose people by making bad decisions... it didn't feel like an intense, overwhelming odds type mission. Hence, why I normally have some squaddies die to give it some weight.

Anyway, yeah... I'd like some drama... maybe not every second of the game and not always doom and gloom. (I'd love a lot of amusing squad banter, refund guy quests, and some conrad verner lol) But I'd like a couple of the squad members to die... and have it be unavoidable.

[xentar]

Well, I have enough depression in real life not to want any Virmire repetitions in ME3. That's the not so realistic part that I can accept (realistically, reapers should win). It's the details like rotational gravity in the Citadel wards that bug me.

[gunswordfist]

Killing off Hannah Shepard is the only thing I see being a personal tragedy that I see Shepard giving a damn about. Shepard will just go quiet and then give an angry face for everything else. He sucks at conveying emotion

[JamieCOTC]

(links to possible spoilers ahead)

According to Casey Hudson, ME3 will have "a lot more darkness but also a lot more humor."  

Mac Walters, (lead writer for ME2 & 3) has confirmed that Shepard's character will be more fully developed and that backgrounds will matter.  Some of those backgrounds, like Colonist, are quite traumatic, but make of that what you will. 

ME3 will have multiple endings, but Casey described ME3 as "victory through sacrifice," so I doubt a sunshine and bunnies ending where there are no loses will be possible.

BioWare's intention is to make the beginning of Mass Effect 3's story "hopeless", but later "you start finding a reason to believe".

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I loved BSG, but I understand what the OP means.  I don’t particularly want my femshep to turn into Starbuck and have a nervous breakdown every 15 minutes.   She’ll settle for a nice quite breakdown after everything is over. 

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 10 juillet 2011 - 04:03 .

[ShadowSplicer]

All great news, I want the emotional level to be the highest it's ever been in ME3, and already from seeing the seen with the child on Earth, I know that it will do that. I always choose Colonist and Sole-Survivor, makes him more of a tragic hero, and he knows that he cannot win, but still he survives.

[PlumPaul93]

Don't make shepard into a crybaby wuss and I really don't care (although I would laugh so maybe you should). I would like it if shepard sometimes got angry or sad something like that though.

[-Severian-]

I'd like an angry Shepard to take Kai Leng apart in single-combat, tbh. I don't know... maybe have Kai Leng take the LI hostage, so Shepard goes in all elbows and karate chops and Bourne-styles his ass. At the end, give the play the option to have their Shepard get control of himself and arrest Leng, or just execute him in cold blood and leave. That way, we get emotion and we can roleplay our Shepards.

[JamieCOTC]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Don't make shepard into a crybaby wuss and I really don't care (although I would laugh so maybe you should). I would like it if shepard sometimes got angry or sad something like that though.

I so wish Bill Paxton had voiced broShep.  "Game Over Man, GAME OVER!"  

[PlumPaul93]

JamieCOTC wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Don't make shepard into a crybaby wuss and I really don't care (although I would laugh so maybe you should). I would like it if shepard sometimes got angry or sad something like that though.

I so wish Bill Paxton had voiced broShep.  "Game Over Man, GAME OVER!"  

haha that's a good one, They should have an easter egg of that. Would be hillarious.

[Arppis]

termokanden wrote...

I don't really get how ME2 was too dark. But I definitely don't want to see a lot of personal tragedy. I'm also really hoping we don't get a classic "hero self-sacrifice" ending, but that's probably just me.

I hope there will be an option for heroic sacrifice. Like in Dragon Age: Origins.
PS. I hope Anderson doesn't die!

Modifié par Arppis, 10 juillet 2011 - 04:39 .