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[Guanxi]

When you think about it wouldn't the most perfect Krogan 'ever made' have to be a Krogan Battlemaster literally by definition? From everything we know about Krogan... biotic potential in Krogan is strongly linked to the caliber of their genetic material/bloodline so Grunt must be off the chart and i find it strange that this has never come up.

If Grunt's genes are only derived from the greatest of the greatest Krogans who ever lived then surely most if not all of those ancestors would be Krogan Battlemasters, right? Battlemasters are inherently biotic which should give him enormous biotic potential (as a vanguard) like Wrex shouldn't it? If he does have the makings of a Battlemaster then shouldn't we see some of that biotic potential in ME3 or is he still too young? Imagine having the possibly one day the most powerful. Battlemaster. ever. on your squad.

I was thinking wouldn't it be interesting to see him going through some these changes in ME3 if he survived as a continuation of a theme that was explored in ME2 (krogan biological development)? I bring this up because as there are already two permanent soldier squadmates on the Normandy (Ashley and James) I find it unlikely that we would have a third permanent soldier or grunt on board given that it's a smaller team than ME2 according to Bioware... So in order for Grunt to keep his spot on the Normandy wouldn't he have to become more than a grunt? and wouldn't it be fun to watch him grow into a powerful vanguard? Or do you see him leaving the normandy entirely like Wrex to help his people?

But if Grunt stayed loyal to Shepard as he indicated he would in ME2 to became over time potentially the main vanguard on the squad replacing potentially both Jack and/or Jacob how would you feel about that? Or do you find it unlikely that he would have developed his biotic abilities to that extent in this short amount of time even if he is the Greatest Krogan 'ever made'?

Modifié par Guanxi, 10 juillet 2011 - 04:47 .

[100k]

I wondered this as well, and I came to the conclusion that pure krogan develop their biotics over a period of years. I mean, Grunt's fresh outta the nest. He's got 800 years left. He'll probably have some new biotic tricks eventually.

[Guanxi]

100k wrote...

I wondered this as well, and I came to the conclusion that pure krogan develop their biotics over a period of years. I mean, Grunt's fresh outta the nest. He's got 800 years left. He'll probably have some new biotic tricks eventually.

Do you have any idea of a timeframe in mind for biotic potential?

Would a 2 year old Battlemaster-grade Krogan have biotics on par with Jack do you think?

Modifié par Guanxi, 10 juillet 2011 - 03:48 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

He's genetically "pure", I doubt Okeer would riskhis project by dumping a gallon of eezo into the tank.

[Guanxi]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

He's genetically "pure", I doubt Okeer would riskhis project by dumping a gallon of eezo into the tank.

It's all in the genes. The purest Krogan must generate eezo organically like Asari do.

Edit: And if he was only bred from the greatest of the greatest krogan battlemasters who ever lived he could quite possibly have the makings of the most powerful battlemaster ever; likely one day more powerful than any biotic we've ever seen.

Modifié par Guanxi, 10 juillet 2011 - 04:38 .

[narokk]

he was also built with collector tech, this could negate the effects. who knows?

[Guanxi]

narokk wrote...

he was also built with collector tech, this could negate the effects. who knows?

It could accelerate the process... which would be a great rational to explain such rapid development of biotic potential in two years given that eezo is highly linked to the reapers.

Modifié par Guanxi, 10 juillet 2011 - 04:35 .

[CheeseEnchilada]

He was already coming off as a substitute for Wrex. Adding biotics would just make it worse. And you've already got a bunch of biotics on your squad--you don't need another.

I would say Okeer didn't want his perfect krogan exposed to anything 'unnatural', but he was built with Collector tech. So it seems like a purely gameplay and character matter, not lore.

[Guanxi]

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

He was already coming off as a substitute for Wrex. Adding biotics would just make it worse. And you've already got a bunch of biotics on your squad--you don't need another.

I would say Okeer didn't want his perfect krogan exposed to anything 'unnatural', but he was built with Collector tech. So it seems like a purely gameplay and character matter, not lore.

Kadian is dead in most playthroughs, Jacob is reportedly not a full time squad member, Samara and Thane are unlikely to be full time squad members either and that leaves Liara. You might have to choose between Miranda and Jack or they could both be temporary so that could be anywhere from 2-4 inc. Grunt depending on whether kaidan is alive.

Grunt just needs more personality and character development... then he will come into his own biotics or no. If he is "pure krogan" he should have biotics because it is perfectly in-keeping with lore... see Wrex. 

Modifié par Guanxi, 10 juillet 2011 - 05:00 .

[CheeseEnchilada]

^^Grunt may not be a full squadmate either. We don't know how they're going to work squadmates, and sadly I doubt Grunt will have priority on joining your team. It'll probably be the LIs, with Grunt having a role more akin to Liara's in LOTSB. I really hope not, but this is all speculation--until they release more information on squadmates, we're all in the dark.

That being said, I do agree with you, just that in ME2's lineup another biotic would have been excessive, and that replacing Wrex with a young biotic krogan wouldn't look good. It's possible he'll develop them in the third game, and I wouldn't be opposed at all. It makes sense, and it gives Grunt character development and a chance to shine.

Modifié par CheeseEnchilada, 10 juillet 2011 - 05:13 .

[Guanxi]

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

^^Grunt may not be a full squadmate either. We don't know how they're going to work squadmates, and sadly I doubt Grunt will have priority on joining your team. It'll probably be the LIs, with Grunt having a role more akin to Liara's in LOTSB. I really hope not, but this is all speculation--until they release more information on squadmates, we're all in the dark.

That being said, I do agree with you, just that in ME2's lineup another biotic would have been excessive, and that replacing Wrex with a young biotic krogan wouldn't look good. It's possible he'll develop them in the third game, and I wouldn't be opposed at all. It makes sense, and it gives Grunt character development and a chance to shine.

I agree...too many biotics = 'too many cooks...'. He should only be the full time vanguard if either Jacob or Jack are given more minor roles. I was thinking without something like this he would be the third wheel (3rd soldier) so his role would be diminished.

It would be some good opportunity for character development which could make home more of his own man and help him to finally leave the spectre of Wrex's shadow behind.

[wizardryforever]

Guanxi wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

He's genetically "pure", I doubt Okeer would riskhis project by dumping a gallon of eezo into the tank.

It's all in the genes. The purest Krogan must generate eezo organically like Asari do.

Edit: And if he was only bred from the greatest of the greatest krogan battlemasters who ever lived he could quite possibly have the makings of the most powerful battlemaster ever; likely one day more powerful than any biotic we've ever seen.

Where did you get that idea?

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

I think Grunt will make the squad... I mean... we need a krogan on the squad... we have what...

2 humans (so far)
1 turian
1 asari
1 quarian

we neeeeeed a krogan IMO. Grunt is young and he only minor affiliation with the Urdnot clan and Shepard is his battlemaster.

... and Wrex is busy (I think I like Grunt better now anyway lol)... so Grunt should be on the team!

As for the biotics... nah, I think he's better as a tank.

[100k]

Guanxi wrote...

100k wrote...

I wondered this as well, and I came to the conclusion that pure krogan develop their biotics over a period of years. I mean, Grunt's fresh outta the nest. He's got 800 years left. He'll probably have some new biotic tricks eventually.

Do you have any idea of a timeframe in mind for biotic potential?

Would a 2 year old Battlemaster-grade Krogan have biotics on par with Jack do you think?

I highly doubt any Krogan is as strong as Jack. Even Wrex or Skarr is probably inferior to her. My guess is that it just takes a few months for Grunt to get the basic biotic powers down. Push/Pull, maybe barrier. It'll still take him years, if not centuries to get up to par  with Wrex.

[Guanxi]

wizardryforever wrote...

Where did you get that idea?

The term biotics refers to the ability for some lifeforms to create mass effect fields using Element Zero nodules embedded in body tissues

Source: masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Biotics.

Asari don't need implants... they harbor/harness eezo/dark energy...whatever it is naturally. As do Pureblood Krogan I would imagine.

Modifié par Guanxi, 10 juillet 2011 - 06:39 .

[wizardryforever]

Guanxi wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

Where did you get that idea?

The term biotics refers to the ability for some lifeforms to create mass effect fields using Element Zero nodules embedded in body tissues

Source: masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Biotics.

Asari don't need implants... they harbor/harness eezo/dark energy...whatever it is naturally. As do Pureblood Krogan I would imagine.

I know how biotics work, I was asking where you got the idea that krogan develop biotics naturally.  The Asari can do it how they do because of how they reproduce.  It lets them use naturally occuring eezo in their bodies for biotics.  But krogan have nothing like that, so. . .how?

[Guanxi]

wizardryforever wrote...

Guanxi wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

Where did you get that idea?

The term biotics refers to the ability for some lifeforms to create mass effect fields using Element Zero nodules embedded in body tissues

Source: masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Biotics.

Asari don't need implants... they harbor/harness eezo/dark energy...whatever it is naturally. As do Pureblood Krogan I would imagine.

I know how biotics work, I was asking where you got the idea that krogan develop biotics naturally.  The Asari can do it how they do because of how they reproduce.  It lets them use naturally occuring eezo in their bodies for biotics.  But krogan have nothing like that, so. . .how?

I thought it was pretty common knowledge that Krogan Battlemasters are the only other sub-sect of a species that can generate biotics organically beside the Asari -- if they ever do during their lifespan. This is part of what makes them so legendary.

Obviously we're talking in the low 1% percentile of Krogan as the vast vast majority don't have genes of that calibre.

Modifié par Guanxi, 10 juillet 2011 - 07:35 .