Aris Ravenstar wrote...I would not use this as a good example of feminine Shepard. I cannot stand this pose. Specifically the sitting on her hands and sticking out her breasts part.
Aris Ravenstar wrote...
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I would not use this as a good example of feminine Shepard. I cannot stand this pose. Specifically the sitting on her hands and sticking out her breasts part.
Modifié par AkodoRyu, 12 juillet 2011 - 04:01 .
I think we're talking about different things here. I'm cool with having female Shepard move as though she has a female skeleton and muscle structure. That's realistic.AngelicMachinery wrote...
ciaweth wrote...
No one wants her to be manly.100k wrote...
AngelicMachinery wrote...
I'm not entirely sure why a woman has to act like a man to be "bad ass..." but, I've been discovering that I may need to bone up on my feminism.
There isn't a counter argument for this. The "feminists" in this thread just want her to stay manly, and the logical people want her to have the same attention to detail as mShep by getting her own rig.
People want her not to be made into a wuss.
Do you see the difference, and why people might possibly not want their space marine hero turned into a weenie who minces through the Normandy and flirts to get what she wants rather than blowing stuff up?
I don't think anyone wants a "Weenie." I'm just horribly confused why people are against allowing her to move like an actual woman instead of a man. Sarah Connor in T2 is a total bad ass, and she never once sacraficed any of her femininity.
ciaweth wrote...
Look up the word "feminism." It does not mean what you think it means; nowhere has anyone in this thread used "feminism" as a synonym for weakness. Do you mean "femininity?"100k wrote...
ciaweth wrote...
No one wants her to be manly.100k wrote...
AngelicMachinery wrote...
I'm not entirely sure why a woman has to act like a man to be "bad ass..." but, I've been discovering that I may need to bone up on my feminism.
There isn't a counter argument for this. The "feminists" in this thread just want her to stay manly, and the logical people want her to have the same attention to detail as mShep by getting her own rig.
People want her not to be made into a wuss.
Do you see the difference, and why people might possibly not want their space marine hero turned into a weenie who minces through the Normandy and flirts to get what she wants rather than blowing stuff up?
If you assume that feminism = wussy, weak, and "barbie" traits.
If you assume that something masculine = strong, powerful, and respectable.
Then you are being sexist.
Did you look at my other posts on this page? Is Aria a wussy space barbie? Or Liara? Or Ash?
ciaweth wrote...I think we're talking about different things here. I'm cool with having female Shepard move as though she has a female skeleton and muscle structure. That's realistic.
What I object to is what some folks in here seem to want, which is for female Shepard to sashay around, and have a paragon interrupt where she bats her eyelashes, thrusts out her lower lip in a pout, and says, "P-p-pleeeeeeeease?" instead of blowing **** sky high like maleShep.
On the other hand, I'd be cool with the sashaying and pouting if maleShep did it too.
100k wrote...
ciaweth wrote...I think we're talking about different things here. I'm cool with having female Shepard move as though she has a female skeleton and muscle structure. That's realistic.
What I object to is what some folks in here seem to want, which is for female Shepard to sashay around, and have a paragon interrupt where she bats her eyelashes, thrusts out her lower lip in a pout, and says, "P-p-pleeeeeeeease?" instead of blowing **** sky high like maleShep.
On the other hand, I'd be cool with the sashaying and pouting if maleShep did it too.
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!!!!
Okay. We're arguing the same points. I get what you're arguing against though. The OPs wish that femShep would be more sexual! Yes, I completely agree with you--there's no real need for that.
Well that's quite the accusation. I don't like it, so I'm a sexist?100k wrote...
Aris Ravenstar wrote...I would not use this as a good example of feminine Shepard. I cannot stand this pose. Specifically the sitting on her hands and sticking out her breasts part.
She's simply sitting up straight. Her breasts aren't sticking out -- hell, she doesn't have the physics yet to do that. If all you see is sex in that picture, then you are being sexist. It's just meant to be the fem version of this ---
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Aris Ravenstar wrote...
@AkodoRyu: That makes it even worse of an example, doesn't it? :
Modifié par AkodoRyu, 12 juillet 2011 - 04:16 .
I'm not arguing against that, I'm just saying that that particular image used as an example of the direction in which FemShep should be taken is not something I approve of, personally.AkodoRyu wrote...
Aris Ravenstar wrote...
@AkodoRyu: That makes it even worse of an example, doesn't it? :
That's more of a proof she needs more work pun into her.
Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 12 juillet 2011 - 04:12 .
Modifié par Sshodan, 12 juillet 2011 - 04:17 .
Sshodan wrote...
@ Aris Ravenstar
I'm a woman, and I sit like that often. It's a comfortable pose, good for the back and helps you keep your legs together with little effort. But than I do have good posture *shrug*
The pose is uncharacteristic for Shep thou, not her "usual body language" which is irking. But so any change after 2 games of maleShep body language that we are used to are, and that's why I'm against changing animations now - body language is part of personality, Sheps may be not 100% feminine, but we are used to it already.
Let them adjust the rig and live experiments with the animations to other games.
Modifié par Sierra Crysis, 12 juillet 2011 - 04:30 .
SnakeStrike8 wrote...
Boyo, this is going to turn ME 3 into that new Metroid game.
I do still have no idea what a 'feminine' walk means. Do all ladies attend walking school? Do they all learn how to walk in a particular, females-only way?
I figure not, so watching the double-X chromosome Shepard walk about in a manner that vaguely resembles the Y-chromosome Shepard doesn't strike me as odd.
SnakeStrike8 wrote...
Boyo, this is going to turn ME 3 into that new Metroid game.
I do still have no idea what a 'feminine' walk means. Do all ladies attend walking school? Do they all learn how to walk in a particular, females-only way?
I figure not, so watching the double-X chromosome Shepard walk about in a manner that vaguely resembles the Y-chromosome Shepard doesn't strike me as odd.
Sierra Crysis wrote...
As a minor addition, while I wouldn't want to see a ditzy flirting episode from Shepard, I would like to see more dialogue that recognizes that she is infact woman; perhaps a conversation like Shepard had with the C-Sec guy in ME1, sure she's gonna shut the guy down hard, but that's not going to stop a guy or two from trying. The same thing could be done for guy shep with other npcs or whatever; or the conversation wouldn't have to pertain necessarily to sexuality at all.
AngelicMachinery wrote...
[I'll pass, thus far all of Femmeshep's gender specific dialogue has involved cat call and others doubting her potential based on her sex. I hate this, I hate this more than I can express in words typically when you compare it to Sheploo who's gender specific dialogue always involves fawning women who want to worship at the alter of his masculinity. How about something that actually talks Femmeshep up instead of down or turning her into a simple sex object? How about a girl who was inspired to join the military because Femme Shepard inspired her, that kind of stuff would ROCK, but, instead what we get now is typically antagonizing towards woman.
AngelicMachinery wrote...
Sierra Crysis wrote...
As a minor addition, while I wouldn't want to see a ditzy flirting episode from Shepard, I would like to see more dialogue that recognizes that she is infact woman; perhaps a conversation like Shepard had with the C-Sec guy in ME1, sure she's gonna shut the guy down hard, but that's not going to stop a guy or two from trying. The same thing could be done for guy shep with other npcs or whatever; or the conversation wouldn't have to pertain necessarily to sexuality at all.
I'll pass, thus far all of Femmeshep's gender specific dialogue has involved cat call and others doubting her potential based on her sex. I hate this, I hate this more than I can express in words typically when you compare it to Sheploo who's gender specific dialogue always involves fawning women who want to worship at the alter of his masculinity. How about something that actually talks Femmeshep up instead of down or turning her into a simple sex object? How about a girl who was inspired to join the military because Femme Shepard inspired her, that kind of stuff would ROCK, but, instead what we get now is typically antagonizing towards woman.
Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 12 juillet 2011 - 04:57 .
Aris Ravenstar wrote...
I'd also like to point out that I actually... didn't mind Lady Hawke's animations. While Hawke's personality is more customizable so it's not as easy to say this for everyone, it definitely fit the sort of Hawke I played. It really has to with who the character is.
RE: Dialogues. I mentioned this in Patrick Weekes' LJ post; I really, really would like just one decent male NPC to show interest in Shepard in a noncommittal, non-creepy way. Why are the only men who notice FemShep complete sleazebags and yet the women who hit on Shepard are all smart, attractive and confident?
100k wrote...
I think you're both right, and I'd like more of both situations. Ash and Shepard could discuss how tough/easy it is to be a woman in the military -- not strictly from a sexually harassment stand point, but from a sexually discriminating stand point, where both women faced sexism from higher male operatives and commanders. If a military officer thinks that Shepard, as a woman, has no place in the army, and she proves that she's not only as good as her male counter parts, but surpasses ALL of them in ability, that's damned inspiring.
I also think that guys like Harkin, the Batarian at Afterlife, etc are good examples of sexual harassment. They don't turn Shepard into a sexual object, because she always (so far as I remember) shuts them down hard. Her response to this harassment is as inspiring for females, as Shepard's rise through the military.
Modifié par AngelicMachinery, 12 juillet 2011 - 05:11 .
AngelicMachinery wrote...
A normal girl or guy hitting on Femmeshep could be nice as well, if you don't mind me saying.
AngelicMachinery wrote...I think Shepard has proven herself enough thank you very much, sure, people might believe she's kind of nutters when it comes to the reapers but no one should be questioning the woman who saved the citadel. I think it's just ham fisted garbage. This is just my oppinion though, I just really want to get away from all the sexual harrasment and female inequality.
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