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[ThePwener]

marshalleck wrote...

It should be subtle and sinister in that Shepard (and the player) genuinely believe their actions and decisions have been intended to survive war with the Reapers. 

The thought of it chills me to the bone.

[alperez]

ME-ParaShep wrote...

To give you a prime example of what you said: Dr. Amanda Kenson from DLC Arrival. She ACTED as if she was still fighting on the pro-galactic life side, but she was indoctrinated enough to the point where she believed the Reapers were salvation. She told Shepard how to decelerate the Reapers, suggested that stopping them via an asteroid collision is the most effective way to hinder their arrival, and made it clear that the Reapers are coming, but she ultimately betrays Shepard and humanity by not destroying the Relay and also by attacking Shepard. TIM is the same. They both talk the talk, but the don't walk the talk.

Exactly, they've gone that route with Saren and with Amanda, so why not with TIM. We're give prime examples in the games and the books but yet some people seem to ignore these examples and rather than accept what seems likely look for the most unlikely set of events that fit into what they wish.

[marshalleck]

alperez wrote...

ME-ParaShep wrote...

To give you a prime example of what you said: Dr. Amanda Kenson from DLC Arrival. She ACTED as if she was still fighting on the pro-galactic life side, but she was indoctrinated enough to the point where she believed the Reapers were salvation. She told Shepard how to decelerate the Reapers, suggested that stopping them via an asteroid collision is the most effective way to hinder their arrival, and made it clear that the Reapers are coming, but she ultimately betrays Shepard and humanity by not destroying the Relay and also by attacking Shepard. TIM is the same. They both talk the talk, but the don't walk the talk.

Exactly, they've gone that route with Saren and with Amanda, so why not with TIM. We're give prime examples in the games and the books but yet some people seem to ignore these examples and rather than accept what seems likely look for the most unlikely set of events that fit into what they wish.

Shepard being indoctrinated is probably more likely than TIM. Shepard has actually been exposed to Reapers several times, and Object Rho for direct, continuous 48 hours. Not to mention all the crazy tech Cerberus implanted in him. Glowing scars in Shepard's face are not normal and not standard-issue implant technology, there's no way around it. Whatever Cerberus did to Shepard it was unprecedented in the history of medical science for all contemporary species. TIM on the other hand just got briefly zapped by a Reaper artifact. I think you're the one who's casting your personal ideal vision of events with TIM/Cerberus being indoctrinated as most likely, when it's probably not.

Also, I don't know why you continually throw out this strawman about 'decisions from past three games.' I've never once said Shpard would be indoctrinated from the very beginning of the series. What I have said--repeatedly--is that it begins to gradually take place over the course of ME3, as a result of the implants and exposure to Object Rho in Arrival. 

No matter what decisions the player has taken up until the beginning of ME3, two things are true of all Shepards: Cerberus implanted him/her with crazy who-knows-what, and (s)he was exposed to Object Rho for a continuous 48 hours. Even if you didn't play the DLC, it's still canon just like Lair of the Shadow Broker. So the foundation is there for all Shepards Paragon, Renegade, and in between.

Modifié par marshalleck, 16 juillet 2011 - 06:19 .