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[Seboist]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Miranda didn't build EDI.

Of course but wouldn't the de jure head of the Lazarus cell and one of the few people who stepped foot in TIM's personal space station have some idea of it's origin?

[marshalleck]

Seboist wrote...

The only flaw with this theory that I can think of is wouldn't Miranda know about it? She was the one in charge of that whole project and she never mentions anything of Reaper tech even after becoming loyal(altough she never mentions EDI being derived from Sovereign's remains either....).

I don't see that so much as a flaw, really. Her reasons for not saying anything to Shepard in ME2 should be obvious; for the majority of the game, she's a Cerberus loyalist and she's dedicated to the cause. Having Shepard go ballistic by revealing she implanted him with technology gleaned from Sovereign and/or husk remains is not going to further the cause. As for the conversation that must be coming, well...where is Miranda, anyway? Bioware isn't saying anything. One thing we know for sure is Miranda didn't rebuild Shepard with the intent of creating a close personal confidant. She could very easily find herself in quite an ethical predicament here at the conclusion of ME2.

Modifié par marshalleck, 11 juillet 2011 - 01:42 .

[marshalleck]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Of course but wouldn't the de jure head of the Lazarus cell and one of the few people who stepped foot in TIM's personal space station have some idea of it's origin?

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Would knowing how EDI was built help Miranda complete her mission? I don't think so. Need to know basis.

Well that and the only time the subject of EDI's nature comes up around Miranda, it's in the very beginning when Miranda doesn't trust Shepard at all. Again, not really the best time for careless blabbing about how Cerberus have repurposed Reaper technology.

[lietk12]

The idea of Miranda overseeing the implantation of Reaper tech in Shepard coheres with the fact that she had originally wanted to put monitoring devices in him (though TIM overrode her on that).

Modifié par lietk12, 11 juillet 2011 - 02:03 .

[Luigitornado]

I don't think Shepard will be indoctrinated....my bet will be VS.

[marshalleck]

lietk12 wrote...

I don't see why Miranda would feel bad about implanting Shepard with Reaper tech, considering that she had originally wanted to put monitoring devices in him (though TIM overrode her on that)

She wouldn't, but I don't think that's the question. It's why she hasn't told Shepard. It's my hope that this is a story arc reserved for ME3; they obviously had to touch on it at the beginning of ME2 when it all went down, but they chose to let it sit while Shepard had other things to do. I hope that what Cerberus did to Shepard will be one of the major story arcs of ME3, and continue to develop the relationship between Shepard and Miranda (and I don't mean a romantic relationship).

Modifié par marshalleck, 11 juillet 2011 - 02:05 .

[Luigitornado]

Wait has it been confirmed somewhere the it was Reaper tech?

[Imperator Augustus]

I agree that the Illusive Man being indoctrinated from the beginning would be very boring and bad writing on Bioware's part. Personally, I feel like there is much more to the story, and it may very well be a false piece of information. After all, the only evidence we have of TIM/Cerberus being indoctrinated is Shepard from the demo and one of the devs in an interview about the demo. The demo is far from being the final game and we also lack context for the dialogue. Shepard may believe that they are indoctrinated, but that could be wrong. The dev who said it was rather forthcoming about what should be a major plot point/twist. Of course, I could be wrong and am most likely reading too deeply into this.

[marshalleck]

Luigitornado wrote...

Wait has it been confirmed somewhere the it was Reaper tech?

No, it's an educated guess. Cerberus did however inject and implant all kinds of nasty Reaper tech into Paul Grayson in the third ME book, Retribution. So obviously they have the means and they had the motive. 

[Seboist]

marshalleck wrote...

lietk12 wrote...

I don't see why Miranda would feel bad about implanting Shepard with Reaper tech, considering that she had originally wanted to put monitoring devices in him (though TIM overrode her on that)

She wouldn't, but I don't think that's the question. It's why she hasn't told Shepard. It's my hope that this is a story arc reserved for ME3; they obviously had to touch on it at the beginning of ME2 when it all went down, but they chose to let it sit while Shepard had other things to do. I hope that what Cerberus did to Shepard will be one of the major story arcs of ME3, and continue to develop the relationship between Shepard and Miranda (and I don't mean a romantic relationship).

Hopefully we're on to something with our little theory here and it doesn't end up being nothing but hot air, otherwise we have "Hey my name is Jack Harper and I'm indoctrinated!!!oneLOL!" to look forward to. :happy:

[marshalleck]

Seboist wrote...
 "Hey my name is Jack Harper and I'm indoctrinated!!!oneLOL!" to look forward to. :happy:

I hope they make Sheen read that line exactly as it's written.  

Modifié par marshalleck, 11 juillet 2011 - 02:10 .

[FoxShadowblade]

Is "I'm bored, let's kill Shepard!" not being considered?

..Darn.

[Someone With Mass]

It's better than Cerberus' previous delusional and non-existent goal.

[marshalleck]

Someone With Mass wrote...

It's better than Cerberus' previous delusional and non-existent goal.

Seriously. Didn't they ever hear that song by Loverboy, "Human and Thresher Maw DNA, just won't splice!"

[Seboist]

marshalleck wrote...

Seboist wrote...
 "Hey my name is Jack Harper and I'm indoctrinated!!!oneLOL!" to look forward to. :happy:

I hope they make Sheen read that line exactly as it's written.  

That would actually make me accept that whole scenario.

[FoxShadowblade]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

It's better than Cerberus' previous delusional and non-existent goal.

You aren't even trying.

You knew what their goal was and every action they took was consisent with that goal. You don't have to like them or their goals, but don't pretend they never had one.

The advancement of Humanity, nothing more, nothing less.

I believe Miranda says something along those lines. 

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...
You aren't even trying.

You knew what their goal was and every action they took was consisent with that goal. You don't have to like them or their goals, but don't pretend they never had one.

Just because TIM was butthurt after his encounter with the turians, he thinks that all aliens are after humanity and decides to form a group because of this, which in itself is so hilariously delusional and paranoid, it's doomed to fail. 

Cerberus thinks they're fighting some kind of cold war, which doesn't exist, and that gives them the right to do every kind of twisted experiments that are highly illegal.

Sure, I'm for a special ops group that can defend a race when needed, but Cerberus fails on so many levels at that, it's barely funny. The STG, for example, is doing a much better job, because they, for one, aren't branded as terrorists. 

[marshalleck]

Someone With Mass wrote...
The STG, for example, is doing a much better job, because they, for one, aren't branded as terrorists. 

Tell that to the krogan. One man's freedom fighter is another's terrorist, etc. etc. 

[AesirMan]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...
You aren't even trying.

You knew what their goal was and every action they took was consisent with that goal. You don't have to like them or their goals, but don't pretend they never had one.

Just because TIM was butthurt after his encounter with the turians, he thinks that all aliens are after humanity and decides to form a group because of this, which in itself is so hilariously delusional and paranoid, it's doomed to fail. 

Cerberus thinks they're fighting some kind of cold war, which doesn't exist, and that gives them the right to do every kind of twisted experiments that are highly illegal.

Sure, I'm for a special ops group that can defend a race when needed, but Cerberus fails on so many levels at that, it's barely funny. The STG, for example, is doing a much better job, because they, for one, aren't branded as terrorists. 

Is that because they are well more liked the Salarians.... I mean imagine if the STG would do a borderline war crime or genocidal act?? Oh wait they did with the genophage....

Yes that cold war does exist.  The Asari have their commando's and the Salarians have their STG.  Its kind of like This is almost a parallel to modern day.  You have the NAACP as an accepted group but if you have a NAAWP thats racist.  Its pretty much here... If Humans are wanting a human advocacy group its called a "terrorist group" in the mass effect universe.    If thinking that an alien species wouldn't turn on another to gain advantage over the other is naive thinking at best.  And What Earth has been in the universal cloak and dagger games for how many years compared to the Turian, Asari or Salarians?    Seriously I won't say that Cerberus failed in everything.  They just have a higher fail rate because they make these huge risks.... 

But why make these risks???


And if you look at the logic they are using.  The reapers are coming soon they accept that as fact.   So is one going to do a slow research model that is very safe that will yield minimal but still improvements.  Or because the Reapers are coming at any given day to Pull out all the stops and try to make leaps and bounds in technological improvements?    We actually learned much as modern day science is concerned from the tests the ****'s did in their concentration camps in the 1940's.  Same reasoning pretty much.

Plus I think people don't consider this as I'd love this to put into a pic graph.

Number of Times Shepard Was brought back to the dead by the Council? 0
Number of Times Shepard Was brought back to the dead by the Alliance? 0
Number of Times Shepard Was brought back to the dead by the Cerberus? 1

Now if Cerberus didn't do those "crazy and morally bankrupt" experiments then guess who wouldn't be alive right now to have this conversation.... Not your shepard...

Yes Cerberus does fail at things but one can learn as much from a failure as success. 

[Repearized Miranda]

marshalleck wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...
The STG, for example, is doing a much better job, because they, for one, aren't branded as terrorists. 

Tell that to the krogan. One man's freedom fighter is another's terrorist, etc. etc. 

+ 1 million

[MajorStranger]

marshalleck wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Bioware has actually been pretty honest about what was in the game.

ex) When ME2 information started circulating you were told that Shepard was KIA... and he was. Casey also said that Shepard could die for good in ME2. That also happened

For what it's worth the ME2 teaser implied Legion killed Shepard.

I remember when some people thought Legion in that trailer WAS Shepard. Like he got his brain implanted in a geth platform. 

Oh BSN, you and your crazy, non-sensical, facepalm-inducing speculation. 

Blame it on Zulu_DFA