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[Someone With Mass]

AesirMan wrote...

Plus I think people don't consider this as I'd love this to put into a pic graph.

Number of Times Shepard Was brought back to the dead by the Council? 0
Number of Times Shepard Was brought back to the dead by the Alliance? 0
Number of Times Shepard Was brought back to the dead by the Cerberus? 1

Now if Cerberus didn't do those "crazy and morally bankrupt" experiments then guess who wouldn't be alive right now to have this conversation.... Not your shepard...

Yes Cerberus does fail at things but one can learn as much from a failure as success. 

That's just stupid.

Shepard wasn't brought back to life by the Council or the Alliance, because they never had the chance. 

And when Shepard is a delusional dimwit that goes on about the Reapers all the time, I don't blame them. It's a loss they could deal with.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Take the bottom part of my sig and change "Reapers are" to "Cerberus is".

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 11 juillet 2011 - 03:32 .

[AesirMan]

So you refute my joke about a graph but not the logic behind why Cerberus does its actions. And Delusional dimwit hardly. Arrival brought even more concrete proof... Collector data mining once more concrete proof. Its just because well since other races hate humanity then they won't accept the fact the reapers do actually exist. I really didn't see a comment about how the Salarian STG could get away with war crimes and mass murder and still be loved?

Fact of the matter is they do those "Morally bankrupt" and high risk experiments because they realize they have almost no time and virtually nothing to lose.

The Council has even seen concrete data by Chorban and the keeper study. They put it under the rug. Anything that shows Shepard was right they push it under the rug in hopes it just goes away.

But please if Cerberus didn't have Humanities interest then most Cerberus haters that if they had the ability to stop all of Cerberus in ME 1; they would no longer be Commander Shepard but Instead Collector Shepard in ME 2.

The fact is Cerberus IS a monster but its a monster that is for the advancement of Humanity by ANY means. the Salarian STG is really not that much different. They are given a mission and told to execute not told how to do but just to do it. It takes monsters to fight monsters at least in a non game world. Anyone who says otherwise is fooling themselves. I believe an Army general I can't remember his name put it down like this. There are 3 types of people Sheep, Sheep-dogs and wolves. Sheep are the normal people and the sheep-dogs are the monsters sheep accept and the wolves are the monsters they pretend don't exist.

And do you really think the Alliance or the Council would spend Billions of Credits to bring back one man? Or would they rather have three more warships? I don't think the Alliance would as "Commander Shepard" doesnt focus test right...." (Jacob quote)


And where is all this proof? I don't know a video recording, scans, images... the list goes on and on. just the council doesn't want to hear it because they don't want to believe the threat is real. Something Cerberus understands and the Alliance is starting to understand.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Cerberus in ME1: Okay let's get some super soldiers.....[fudge]. Well let's try to have some cheep cannon fodder units....[fun]. Alright lets see if we can't at least silence Kahoku and keep our bases intact....[FLUSTER]!
Cerberus in ME2: Yes we rebuilt Shepard and gave him a new Normandy! Okay now let's see if we can successfully control the Geth...[Farnsworth]! Let's explore the deralict Reaper!...[faraway]!
Cerberus in ME3: LOLZ WE TROLL YOU!!!! *fires at Shepard*

[No swearing, please.]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 11 juillet 2011 - 04:22 .

[Luigitornado]

marshalleck wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...

Wait has it been confirmed somewhere the it was Reaper tech?

No, it's an educated guess. Cerberus did however inject and implant all kinds of nasty Reaper tech into Paul Grayson in the third ME book, Retribution. So obviously they have the means and they had the motive. 

Understood, but when they did it to Grayson it seemed like a first trial like thing, as they were studying the process of indoctrination. Seems kind of redudant if they did it too Shepard first; seems kind of stupid to do it on Shep because of the risk involed. 

[Someone With Mass]

Cerberus' problem is that they can never grasp when they're in way over their heads when it comes to experiments like the ones they did on the rachni, on the geth or on the Reapers.

And if you want to counter biotics, DON'T MAKE MORE OF THEM, YOU DUMBASSES!

[Luigitornado]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...
You aren't even trying.

You knew what their goal was and every action they took was consisent with that goal. You don't have to like them or their goals, but don't pretend they never had one.

Just because TIM was butthurt after his encounter with the turians, he thinks that all aliens are after humanity and decides to form a group because of this, which in itself is so hilariously delusional and paranoid, it's doomed to fail. 

Cerberus thinks they're fighting some kind of cold war, which doesn't exist, and that gives them the right to do every kind of twisted experiments that are highly illegal.

Sure, I'm for a special ops group that can defend a race when needed, but Cerberus fails on so many levels at that, it's barely funny. The STG, for example, is doing a much better job, because they, for one, aren't branded as terrorists. 

Don't you think Bioware did that on puprose though? Represents humanity pretty well if you ask me.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Cerberus' problem is that they can never grasp when they're in way over their heads when it comes to experiments like the ones they did on the rachni, on the geth or on the Reapers.

And if you want to counter biotics, DON'T MAKE MORE OF THEM, YOU DUMBASSES!

Experiments like Overlord actually could have been very successful if they had been willing to take it slower and safer.
The problem with Cerberus experiments seems to be that they try to go too far ahead and this always seems to come back to bite them.

[littlezack]

Actually, more often than not, Cerberus' experiments go wrong because of human error within the project itself. Somebody goes too far or betrays the group, and it deteriorates from there.

If anything, TIM is a poor judge of character.

[MrSuperCrazyAwesome]

Cerberus might not be indoctrinated, but just pissed off at Shepard. They could have other reasons for wanting to kill Shep other than being indoctrinated.
As such, I guess that the slightly more wordy and less intense version of our saying that the Krogans have applies to this situation.

[Lunatic LK47]

littlezack wrote...

Actually, more often than not, Cerberus' experiments go wrong because of human error within the project itself. Somebody goes too far or betrays the group, and it deteriorates from there.

If anything, TIM is a poor judge of character.

It's more than this. This is an organization that promotes take SHORTCUTS AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY for the sake of "expedience."

[Haristo]

alihou wrote...
Are there any conspiracy theorists out there? I am not saying these will be 100% plausible possibilities...Maybe ME3 is more complicated than we actually think...What are your thoughts?

You mean filled of...

[Dia2blo]

Seboist wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Well, it depends on what's going on with TIM and Cerberus. If their reasons for fighting against Shepard have been hinted at and foreshadowed in ME2 then I suppose it could be an effective twist that's not really cheap. I'm kind of skeptical though. For example, look at the big reveal of the Shadow Broker. For years on these forums, players had discussions and theories of who the Shadow Broker could be. A rogue salarian intelligence agent? An AI? Someone Shepard met?

Turns out SB was completely unpredictable and nobody could have ever possibly guessed. Entire new species made up just for the role. Personally I think that's cheap, and not really very interesting. It's not something you can look back on with a sense of enlightenment and say, "ah, yes, I see how that all makes sense now." It's just some random asspull.

One of my vague hopes is that Shepard is going through the process of indoctrination due to the Lazarus project having been derived from Reaper tech and that Cerberus is trying to prevent him/her from doing harm.

Either that or anything not involving "lulz im indoctrinated" and "I'M EVIL!!!".

If that is the case, some kind of forced control (like if the decisions made in the dialogue will we have no control over) would be mind blowing.

[vader da slayer]

ummm where was it ever said (I might have missed this) that the implants in the Lazarus Project are reaper tech? the races of the galaxy have been producing implants for other various reasons and Im pretty sure with the right people and funding (which funding was obviously there) they could do what they did without reaper tech.

[GunMoth]

Even if TIM is preparing for the invasion, or is driven by desperation, I will find it hard to sympathize with him. I understand killing innocents in order to save the galaxy, but surrounding yourself with a xenophobe who feels compelled to slit an alien's throat is a bit much. Especially when you need every ally you can get.

[Seboist]

GunMoth wrote...

Even if TIM is preparing for the invasion, or is driven by desperation, I will find it hard to sympathize with him. I understand killing innocents in order to save the galaxy, but surrounding yourself with a xenophobe who feels compelled to slit an alien's throat is a bit much. Especially when you need every ally you can get.

That alien was in the way of his target. Mr. Leng didn't do it for the lulz.

[mcneil_1]

I wonder how the bots get in, did someone leave the door open again

Modifié par mcneil_1, 11 juillet 2011 - 10:37 .

[TheChris92]

[Captain Crash]

Tim is totally going to be like Darth Vader.  I can see it now. Helps the good guys in ME2 but turns in ME3.   You fight him at the end and he turns away from his new masters and gives Shepard some code or something that will help her destroy the Reapers, only for him to collapse and die and you realise he wasnt so bad...


Or something terribly cliche like that 

[ThePwener]

Someone With Mass wrote...

That's just stupid.

Shepard wasn't brought back to life by the Council or the Alliance, because they never had the chance. 

You say HIS stupid, but that statement is the STUPIDEST thing I have ever heard. "Because they never had the chance" ??? Really? Are you really that delusional. Some people have the worst priorities. I know it's just a game, but man, the Council and the Alliance don't give A ****!!!! about you. Hahahaha, what a twit you are. Didn't have a chance he says, the people who deny the Reapers. You amusing.

[Slayer_22]

Luigitornado wrote...

I don't think Shepard will be indoctrinated....my bet will be VS.

What is a VS?

Modifié par Slayer_22, 11 juillet 2011 - 11:43 .