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[DJRackham]

Virmire Survivor

Edit: The team mate (Kaidan or Ashley) that wasn't left behind at the conclusion of the mission on Virmire in Mass Effect 1 is known as the Virmire Survivor (or VS for short).

Modifié par DJRackham, 11 juillet 2011 - 11:57 .

[ThePwener]

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[Slayer_22]

DJRackham wrote...

Virmire Survivor

Thank you.

My conspiracy theory, personally, is that The Illusive man remade Shepard because he could stop the Collector's and do everything he did up to the reapers. And, knowing that he might be indoctrinated, needed Shepard alive because Shepard could stop him if he was, and if the reapers did use him. So Shepard was his back-up plan if he did get indoctrinated, and if he didn't, good for him. That's just my guess. 

[GreedIgnored]

marshalleck wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...

Wait has it been confirmed somewhere the it was Reaper tech?

No, it's an educated guess. Cerberus did however inject and implant all kinds of nasty Reaper tech into Paul Grayson in the third ME book, Retribution. So obviously they have the means and they had the motive. 

In Paul's case they just injected and watched... if that's all they can do with Reaper tech I don't really seee how they brought back Shepard at all... 

*inject husk technology* *stare* *make sure brain is intact* *plastic surgery/face reconstruction* Because really that's all we've got.

[GreedIgnored]

Someone With Mass wrote...

AesirMan wrote...

Plus I think people don't consider this as I'd love this to put into a pic graph.

Number of Times Shepard Was brought back to the dead by the Council? 0
Number of Times Shepard Was brought back to the dead by the Alliance? 0
Number of Times Shepard Was brought back to the dead by the Cerberus? 1

Now if Cerberus didn't do those "crazy and morally bankrupt" experiments then guess who wouldn't be alive right now to have this conversation.... Not your shepard...

Yes Cerberus does fail at things but one can learn as much from a failure as success. 

That's just stupid.

Shepard wasn't brought back to life by the Council or the Alliance, because they never had the chance. 

And when Shepard is a delusional dimwit that goes on about the Reapers all the time, I don't blame them. It's a loss they could deal with.

I just imagined a group of human Allience scientists with a sign on top *Bring back Shepard* and on the other side of the room a bunch of salarians, asari and turians waiting with the same sign as well... apparently reviving Shepard is a hobby for EVERYONE in the universe. Even the Reapers were fighting with Cerberus to bring him back to their cause!

[GreedIgnored]

AesirMan wrote...

So you refute my joke about a graph but not the logic behind why Cerberus does its actions. And Delusional dimwit hardly. Arrival brought even more concrete proof... Collector data mining once more concrete proof. Its just because well since other races hate humanity then they won't accept the fact the reapers do actually exist. I really didn't see a comment about how the Salarian STG could get away with war crimes and mass murder and still be loved?

The STG didn't release the genophage because the salarians were questioning the same thing in Arrival "It wasn't that we couldn't but a moral question, should we?" They're scientists not generals, they aren't trained to make those decisions and most people would like to never have to make a desicion of that status.

And yeah I got a bit off... the turians (newcomers at that time) released the genophage because the salarians were doubting they should or didn't want to be hated as much so they let somebody else pull the trigger of their own gun.

[Dean_the_Young]

GreedIgnored wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...

Wait has it been confirmed somewhere the it was Reaper tech?

No, it's an educated guess. Cerberus did however inject and implant all kinds of nasty Reaper tech into Paul Grayson in the third ME book, Retribution. So obviously they have the means and they had the motive. 

In Paul's case they just injected and watched...

Because observation of that sort of Reaper tech, and the indoctrination effect, was the point.

if that's all they can do with Reaper tech I don't really seee how they brought back Shepard at all... 

Since we have a number of demonstrated examples otherwise that they can re-utilize Reaper tech for other purposes... (EDI, Thannix, IFF, Collector tech gains).

*inject husk technology* *stare* *make sure brain is intact* *plastic surgery/face reconstruction* Because really that's all we've got.

Not really.

[Dean_the_Young]

GreedIgnored wrote...

AesirMan wrote...

So you refute my joke about a graph but not the logic behind why Cerberus does its actions. And Delusional dimwit hardly. Arrival brought even more concrete proof... Collector data mining once more concrete proof. Its just because well since other races hate humanity then they won't accept the fact the reapers do actually exist. I really didn't see a comment about how the Salarian STG could get away with war crimes and mass murder and still be loved?

The STG didn't release the genophage because the salarians were questioning the same thing in Arrival "It wasn't that we couldn't but a moral question, should we?" They're scientists not generals, they aren't trained to make those decisions and most people would like to never have to make a desicion of that status.

And yeah I got a bit off... the turians (newcomers at that time) released the genophage because the salarians were doubting they should or didn't want to be hated as much so they let somebody else pull the trigger of their own gun.

Or the Turians were publicly credited with releasing it, while the STG was also involved.

It's not like the STG didn't redeploy the genophage on its own later.

[Rosinante]

LTiberious wrote...

I never thought of TIM as a villain.

'cos i dont see racists as bad people. I see them as folk fighting for their own good.

Wow. You haven't been out of your slimy hole for some time, have you, my little skin-head?

[Icinix]

Are we being fooled?


Oh yes. But its much, much worse than you know.

[ThePwener]

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[Icinix]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 11 juillet 2011 - 04:26 .

[True Zarken]

All I can think of is Who songs now. Thanks for nothing. =P

[vanslyke85]

we're being fooled right now with all the teasers and demos and trailers. There's going to be some huge twists we didn't see coming. Trust in Bioware.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

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On a serious note, I would like TIM not to be a mind controlled bad guy just because. That would be pretty lame imo.

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 11 juillet 2011 - 04:26 .

[Reever]

marshalleck wrote...

Well, it depends on what's going on with TIM and Cerberus. If their reasons for fighting against Shepard have been hinted at and foreshadowed in ME2 then I suppose it could be an effective twist that's not really cheap. I'm kind of skeptical though. For example, look at the big reveal of the Shadow Broker. For years on these forums, players had discussions and theories of who the Shadow Broker could be. A rogue salarian intelligence agent? An AI? Someone Shepard met?

Turns out SB was completely unpredictable and nobody could have ever possibly guessed. Entire new species made up just for the role. Personally I think that's cheap, and not really very interesting. It's not something you can look back on with a sense of enlightenment and say, "ah, yes, I see how that all makes sense now." It's just some random asspull.

Why should that be an asspull? It´s something the player himself had no chance of knowing himself, so it can be anything. Only because you couldn´t have foreseen it, doesn´t mean it doesn´t make sense/is an asspull!

An asspull in the case of TIM would be something that never was hinted at. Like a fairy making him like the Reapers. Having him be indoctrinated would make perfectly sense ( because of the comics etc.). How this is handled is a whole other issue, though. And if you like it or not is as well!

[alperez]

marshalleck wrote...



Did you pay attention to either Mass Effect game yet? Shepard wasn't loaded with Reaper implants in ME1. (S)he got them in the beginning of ME2. The indoctrination/influence arc would play out largely over the course of ME3, coming to a head at the end where it's finally revealed why Cerberus has been hounding Shepard. It would necessarily simmer on the back burner for ME2; we know Cerberus did something to Shepard, but what it was is unclear. Perhaps the exposure to Object Rho for a continuous 48 hours in Arrival potentially activated some of the Reaper tech that brought Shepard back, which opens up the new story arc for ME3. You can't tell me that glowing orange **** in his face is just run-of-the-mill reconstructive medical tech. We saw in Overlord that Shepard can be hacked by a machine intelligence. Like TIM says, the clues are there, buried in the data.

Ok firstly my response was in regards to you basically suggesting that Shepard being indoctrinated would be akin to the events in KOTOR, which imo they aren't because the events in KOTOR are referenced as something that happend to Revan pre us being Revan.

Secondly of course i payed attention the mass effect games but obviously i took a different interpretation of events than you did.

There is no doubt that Shepard has reaper tech in him and that it affects him in some way, we've seen evidence of Shepard being affected in both overlord and arrival, that does not however even remotely suggest that Shepard would become indoctrinated which is the whole basis we've been disagreeing on.

Shepard to become indoctrinated would take the free will part of Shepard away from you the gamer and therefore is not somethiing i believe Biioware would do in the last game of a trilogy where up to now its been you and the choices you make that decide what happens.

For them to suddenly introduce the fact that Shepard is indoctrinated and evil now in the last game would be a big slap in the face to fans who want and expect a Shepard saves the world and lives happily ever after ending (which i think will be one of the endings we will have the opportunity to get).

Now i'm not saying they won't bring up the effects of reaper tech or that Cerberus may not be after Shepard because according to TIM and what he may believe Shepard is indoctrinated and is turning into Saren 2.0 and needs to be stopped, or that the reaper tech that is in Shepard may not play a big part of the story.

What i have been saying though is that they won't go the route of a fully indoctrinated Shepard at all, they may hint that the reapers have been trying to indoctrinate Shepard, the reaper tech that Tim put in Shepard may even be hinted as part of this attempt by the reapers to indoctrinate him, What they won't do is actually indoctrinate Shepard.

To do that would nullify everything you have done in the past 2 games, which makes no sense at all.

People already complained loudly about Zombie Shepard in me2 and the fact that Shepard has reaper tech in him and was brought back to life using this tech, so to suddenly reveal that Shepard is indoctrinated would seriously fan the flames for a lot of people.

It is much more likely that we'll get the they tried to indoctrinate Shepard and failed, or that because Shepard is actually superman he is immune to indoctrination.

Reven was evil before we played him, from the moment we played him he was whoever we choose him to be, Shepard will be the same. Indoctrination has been used as their go to excuse for why character A does this and why character B does not, its been used for one purpose only to make someone a tool of the reapers, they will not in the last game of a trilogy make the protagonist you've been playing to this point for lack of better words a tool.

They leave that part to us.

[SalsaDMA]

mrsph wrote...

Is it really that hard to believe that the man that is the leader and founder of a terrorist organization is a bad, bad boy?

Does this mean that femal shepard will be attracted to him?

[hwf]

alihou wrote... Are there any conspiracy theorists out there?

I want to believe!

If there is an interesting plot development concerning the Illusive Man's and Cerberus' motivations then Bioware sure as heck won't want to spoil that.
Since they do need to show off parts of their game over time, Cerberus will pop up as an enemy to Shepard in a few of them.

Letting the all-knowing Shadow Broker make an offhand remark that "Cerberus just don't quit, do they?" only for Shepard to explain to the Shadow Broker that "They're indoctrinated. They're capable of anything." seems like conjecture on Shepard's part.

[Tonymac]

True Zarken wrote...

All I can think of is Who songs now. Thanks for nothing. =P

We won't get fooled again!

I thought the same thing

[Son of Illusive Man]

[quote]RaveTDC wrote...

I've thought long and hard on this for months now, and the best thing I can see is this:

TIM is actually doing Shepard a favor. Think about how many people were going "Shepard, you're going to stop the Collectors? Cool, I'll hel--wait, you're stopping them with Cerberus' aid? YOU FOUL DEMON." In a best case scenario, TIM would be openly hunting and chasing Shepard in an attempt to galvanize other species' aid in the Reaper fight. Something of a PR move.[/quote]

Now, this idea, I really like.

TIM may not agree with Shepard, but he knows the Reapers are coming, and he needs Shepard's help.

If he is indoctrinated, why did he help Shepard in ME2 against the Reapers?  He BROUGHT HIM BACK TO LIFE.  You could say it was all a trap, but why would he bring him back just to kill him.  The only possible explanation I see is that the Reapers wanted to indoctrinate and use Shepard, but I see them as being powerful enough to conquer humanity without sending in Shepard as an inside agent, and I think they'd be smart enough to know that they risked turning him loose, if he came back to life.  If Bioware follows this path, I will just facepalm at the stupidity.

Now, the next option is that TIM becomes indoctrinated after the events of ME2, with embedded Reaper tech (eyes) and so many in proximity.  This at least males sense, but it just awful writing.  The guy who has been pro-human, fighting against the Reapers, knows very well about indoctrination is suddenly turning against you?  What a cop-out.

I doubt Bioware can write a twist in where TIM is indoctrinated, and make it good.  An example of a good twist is finding out that Archangel was Garrus, because you say, "Oh, I should have seen that coming.  The codex fits his personality so well, and the clues hinted at it beforehand."  TIM being indoctrinated, unless I missed some clues in ME2, just seems stupid.

I also liked the idea that TIM is using Reaper tech to indoctrinate his soldiers to fight Shepard, without revealing the real plan.  Maybe if you handed over the base in ME2, he has better tech, making his indoctrination more powerful, but if you didn't, then ome soldiers might defect and realize they're fighting a good person.

[quote]Another thing would be that the whole Paul Grayson thing is forcing him to wrangle Shepard in because, apparently, Shepard has been rebuilt with Sovereign's left ear and right butt cheek. That would be an interesting gameplay mechanic, side quests that relate to out-of-game reference material in order to stave of being controlled. Kinda just talking aloud here, don't know how well that would work from a pacing standpoint.[/quote]

I'm not sure, but didn't they say that they wanted to bring him back exactly how he was before?  I think that got them out of the Shepard being vunerable to Reaper tech plot device.

]quote]All in all, I don't mind Cerberus being a main enemy, I just want it to make sense. If it does turn out that Jackyboy is indoctrinated, please explain, Bioware, where all of these Cerberus troops come from. It is explicitly stated by EDI that Cerberus personnel is around 150, and a good bit would be dedicated scientists from what I have seen. Between the Lazarus incident, the OVERLORD Project and what not. So unless we kill about seventy mooks or so and that's it, please explain why and how ALL of Cerberus is indoctrinated.[/quote]

It stated that they had 150 AGENTS.  Agents are only people like Jacob and Miranda, not just the common foot soldiers.

[Eurhetemec]

The idea that TIM is "helping" Shepard by getting large men with guns and heavy armour and battle robots to attempt to kill him would be too stupid in a kid's Saturday morning cartoon. In a relatively realistic universe like ME, it's cartoonish idiocy of the worst kind, so I think we can safely dismiss that. I hope so, anyway, it's really childish in the extreme, and relies on Shepard being magically immune to death.

Much more likely for "TIM isn't the villain!" is that Cerberus has been taken control of by someone who isn't TIM, but TIM is still out there and helping, or that TIM is in league with the Reapers, but NOT indoctrinated and intends to backstab them in a spectacular fashion down the line, and Shepard might just now be a necessary sacrifice, having served his purpose with the Collectors.

[Stanley Woo]

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[AesirMan]

I think the 150 is writing oversight... But not being able to keep loyalty to TIM but being able to keep loyalty to the Council or the Alliance in ME2. Why can't someone be a Cerberus Operative in ME3?