I really can see the possibility of Shepard having Reaper tech in him, my points being when he is full renegade he has those Red 3 dot eyes. they made it obvious in project Overlord that Shepard has a lot of technology in his body.
I feel that Shepard is slightly indoctrinated like when Harbinger talks to Shepard through the collectors none of the team mates make a reference to him, Like only Shepard can hear him. Or like the events during arrival when he was talking with Harbinger/collector general. Am I the only one who finds it weird that a random hologram appears out of nowhere on a landing pad? I could see the possibility of being unconscious by Project Rho for 48 hours taking an effect on him.
Based of this I could see one of the possible endings having shepard have to fight of being fully indoctrinated while doing what he needs to do to stop the Reapers. Like in MGS4 with the microwave hallway.
I can also see TIM not being a bad guy I have 2 theories on this. As someone mentioned the Cerberus guys look a lot like Bartarians.
Or TIM could be dogging Shep just so the other races trust him again.
Are we being fooled?
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 02:26
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NNC FROSTY wrote...
I really can see the possibility of Shepard having Reaper tech in him, my points being when he is full renegade he has those Red 3 dot eyes. they made it obvious in project Overlord that Shepard has a lot of technology in his body.
While I feel the same way, just to play devil's advocate with my own ideas I'll point this out: Reaper implants and husk technology are almost invariably blue. The only exceptions I can think of at the moment are are the exploding husks...and they may be red as a gameplay concession, to make them more identifiable to the player.
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 02:33
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marshalleck wrote...
NNC FROSTY wrote...
I really can see the possibility of Shepard having Reaper tech in him, my points being when he is full renegade he has those Red 3 dot eyes. they made it obvious in project Overlord that Shepard has a lot of technology in his body.
While I feel the same way, just to play devil's advocate with my own ideas I'll point this out: Reaper implants and husk technology are almost invariably blue. The only exceptions I can think of at the moment are are the exploding husks...and they may be red as a gameplay concession, to make them more identifiable to the player.
Husk Saren had purple instead of blue components too.
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 02:36
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His what? Oh, you mean when all the flesh burned away leaving just the implants?
First, that was disgusting and awesome. Second, are you sure it was purple? I thought it was blue, but that dark energy Reapers give off is red. For example when you see Sovereign crusing in toward the citadel, crackling with arc of red lightning...then Saren has it too, once Sovereign ASSUMED CONTROL.
First, that was disgusting and awesome. Second, are you sure it was purple? I thought it was blue, but that dark energy Reapers give off is red. For example when you see Sovereign crusing in toward the citadel, crackling with arc of red lightning...then Saren has it too, once Sovereign ASSUMED CONTROL.
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My theory of TIM and Cerberus being indoctrinated is the easiest and I think most of you will agree that this is the best explanation:
TIM is not evil, he's just self-centered and a racist. That said, he still tries to stop the reapers, just like Shepard. When Shepard left Cerberus, TIM didn't give up. He kept searching for an answer on how to destroy the reapers.
After a while, TIM discovers a deux-ex machina object or artifact (Leviathan of Dis?) but Shepard also found a clue of this deux-ex machina artifact.
TIM wouldn't be TIM if he didn't still believe in a pro-human on the top agenda. So TIM wants to defeat the reapers, but while doing so he wants humanity as the new leader of the galaxy, with himself on the top.
Shepard left Cerberus, so TIM lost faith in Shepard and so he's afraid that if Shepard gets his hands on the deus-ex machina artifact, his hopes for domination will be lost.
So TIM sends his troops after Shepard with the very simple order: "Make sure you get that artifact before Shepard does, by all means, kill him if you think it's necessary."
Maybe it will not be EXACTLY like this (maybe we don't need a deus-ex machina in order to defeat the reapers), but I think it's most reasonable to assume that TIM has his own idea of how to stop the reapers and most likely Shepard's plans block TIM's own plans so that means TIM has to get rid of Shepard in order to fulfill his own plan.
So... what happens if I choose to stay with Cerberus and offered my assistance via keeping Collector's Base?
You don't get to choose if you stay with Cerberus or not. BioWare chose for you and they chose that you're back with the Alliance now. Same story with ME2. BioWare chose you joined Cerberus in ME2, now they chose you'll join the Alliance yet again in ME3. So my argument is valid, since you'll leave Cerberus regardless of what you did in ME2.
Edit: which leads me to a new even simpeler theory on TIM and Cerberus:
TIM simply wants Shepard back in Cerberus. Maybe TIM thinks: "Shepard I rebuild you so you're mine now! You're either with me or you're death!"
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 02:40
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His what? Oh, you mean when all the flesh burned away leaving just the implants?
First, that was disgusting and awesome. Second, are you sure it was purple? I thought it was blue, but that dark energy Reapers give off is red. For example when you see Sovereign crusing in toward the citadel, crackling with arc of red lightning...then Saren has it too, once Sovereign ASSUMED CONTROL.
It's definately purple. :happy:
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marshalleck wrote...
His what? Oh, you mean when all the flesh burned away leaving just the implants?
First, that was disgusting and awesome. Second, are you sure it was purple? I thought it was blue, but that dark energy Reapers give off is red. For example when you see Sovereign crusing in toward the citadel, crackling with arc of red lightning...then Saren has it too, once Sovereign ASSUMED CONTROL.
It's definately purple. :happy:
*image snip*
More blue-ish on my screen (and my screen is good, one of the best actually). It's not really blue, but not really purple either. Somewhere inbetween.
Also, marshalleck is right about the "ASSUMING CONTROL energy" from Sovereign:
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Hmm. If anything that's a very deep violet. Very very close to blue. But, I'll grant that it's not husk-blue. To be honest, this is the first time I ever noticed. It always looked blue in the game to me.Seboist wrote...
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His what? Oh, you mean when all the flesh burned away leaving just the implants?
First, that was disgusting and awesome. Second, are you sure it was purple? I thought it was blue, but that dark energy Reapers give off is red. For example when you see Sovereign crusing in toward the citadel, crackling with arc of red lightning...then Saren has it too, once Sovereign ASSUMED CONTROL.
It's definately purple. :happy:
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 02:52
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Taupe? Taupe is greyish-brown.
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Well, it depends on what's going on with TIM and Cerberus. If their reasons for fighting against Shepard have been hinted at and foreshadowed in ME2 then I suppose it could be an effective twist that's not really cheap. I'm kind of skeptical though. For example, look at the big reveal of the Shadow Broker. For years on these forums, players had discussions and theories of who the Shadow Broker could be. A rogue salarian intelligence agent? An AI? Someone Shepard met?
Turns out SB was completely unpredictable and nobody could have ever possibly guessed. Entire new species made up just for the role. Personally I think that's cheap, and not really very interesting. It's not something you can look back on with a sense of enlightenment and say, "ah, yes, I see how that all makes sense now." It's just some random asspull.
Bravo!
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 02:59
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Fascinating!Medhia Nox wrote...
There is a purple taupe.
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 03:01
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I learn something new here every day.
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Or maybe you are over complicating a non complicating game...
Wow. It happened again. The first response was the best.
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 03:03
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@Thompson family: How could you say that? My comment about taupe was educational and poignant.
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makes sense somehow... we know that blue core thing is used to indoctrinate while the red stuff comes primarily directly from the reaper... so this makes shepard a reaper wot?NNC FROSTY wrote...
I really can see the possibility of Shepard having Reaper tech in him, my points being when he is full renegade he has those Red 3 dot eyes. they made it obvious in project Overlord that Shepard has a lot of technology in his body.
I feel that Shepard is slightly indoctrinated like when Harbinger talks to Shepard through the collectors none of the team mates make a reference to him, Like only Shepard can hear him. Or like the events during arrival when he was talking with Harbinger/collector general. Am I the only one who finds it weird that a random hologram appears out of nowhere on a landing pad? I could see the possibility of being unconscious by Project Rho for 48 hours taking an effect on him.
Based of this I could see one of the possible endings having shepard have to fight of being fully indoctrinated while doing what he needs to do to stop the Reapers. Like in MGS4 with the microwave hallway.
I can also see TIM not being a bad guy I have 2 theories on this. As someone mentioned the Cerberus guys look a lot like Bartarians.
Or TIM could be dogging Shep just so the other races trust him again.
he may have some sort of conexion with the reapers but i don't think he is indoctrinated"Like only Shepard can hear him" ok... this game is starting to creep me out
and to make my point...
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Hmm. If anything that's a very deep violet. Very very close to blue. But, I'll grant that it's not husk-blue. To be honest, this is the first time I ever noticed. It always looked blue in the game to me.Seboist wrote...
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His what? Oh, you mean when all the flesh burned away leaving just the implants?
First, that was disgusting and awesome. Second, are you sure it was purple? I thought it was blue, but that dark energy Reapers give off is red. For example when you see Sovereign crusing in toward the citadel, crackling with arc of red lightning...then Saren has it too, once Sovereign ASSUMED CONTROL.
It's definately purple. :happy:
no they're still blue .. www.youtube.com/watch
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 03:51
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makes sense somehow... we know that blue core thing is used to indoctrinate while the red stuff comes primarily directly from the reaper... so this makes shepard a reaper wot?NNC FROSTY wrote...
I really can see the possibility of Shepard having Reaper tech in him, my points being when he is full renegade he has those Red 3 dot eyes. they made it obvious in project Overlord that Shepard has a lot of technology in his body.
I feel that Shepard is slightly indoctrinated like when Harbinger talks to Shepard through the collectors none of the team mates make a reference to him, Like only Shepard can hear him. Or like the events during arrival when he was talking with Harbinger/collector general. Am I the only one who finds it weird that a random hologram appears out of nowhere on a landing pad? I could see the possibility of being unconscious by Project Rho for 48 hours taking an effect on him.
Based of this I could see one of the possible endings having shepard have to fight of being fully indoctrinated while doing what he needs to do to stop the Reapers. Like in MGS4 with the microwave hallway.
I can also see TIM not being a bad guy I have 2 theories on this. As someone mentioned the Cerberus guys look a lot like Bartarians.
Or TIM could be dogging Shep just so the other races trust him again.
"Like only Shepard can hear him" ok... this game is starting to creep me out
and to make my point...
Well thats just it, if the technology came directly from Sovereign wouldn't it be red?
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@Thompson family: How could you say that? My comment about taupe was educational and poignant.
i just wanted to say i also value the information i recieve via this forum.
you never know it might be a question i get asked when i have an appearance on jeopardy 20 years from now.
does anyone know soveirgn/sarens exact quotes in the game? thats the only way wed know if saren was ASSUMEd CONTROLed of.
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 04:23
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Sovereign never says "ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL" that's all Harby's material. What he does say, as he burns off Saren's flesh and takes control of the implanted, husked remains is "I am Sovereign, and this station is mine!"
Begins here:
Begins here:
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 04:55
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I think the "purple" is more a result of the ambient lighting. There are a lot of reds in that scene which would, in certain scenes, make blue appear purple.
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 06:24
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If you weren't so ignorant, you'd have read Mass Effect Evolution and know that TIM formed Cerbers becase of the reapers.Someone With Mass wrote...
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You aren't even trying.
You knew what their goal was and every action they took was consisent with that goal. You don't have to like them or their goals, but don't pretend they never had one.
Just because TIM was butthurt after his encounter with the turians, he thinks that all aliens are after humanity and decides to form a group because of this, which in itself is so hilariously delusional and paranoid, it's doomed to fail.
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 06:27
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If you've read the comics, you know TIM has been exposed to reaper indoctrination technology. That alone is justification enough for him being under there influence, especially since the reapers have entered the galaxy. The real question is, if you do the Arrival dlc mission, Shepherd gets exposed to the indoctrination device, do we see our own character become affected during the course of ME3?
