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[alperez]

Saphra Deden wrote...


Yeah, me too. Great to see another free thinker. It's just too bad your taste is so terrible.

Liara is a trainwreck. ME2's main plot as a whole is like that.

If the new novel turns TIM into flat villain then the writers will have failed with his character.


You know what? I think Dean is right. I bet Gillain will get revenge on the Illusive Man by somehow finding a way to inject him with the same nanomachines that he injected into Grayson. The result of of-course will be him succumbing to indoctrination and all his work to fight the Reapers being hilariously inverted.

So because we disagree rather than to argue your point you resort to name calling lol.

Me2's plot or lack of one is where most of the issues come up, rather than continue with how things were they shoehorn us into places where we never fit just right. Cerberus go from being an outright terrorist organisation to the galaxies hope in stopping the collector threat a role they were ill suited for but needed for to ensure you were cut off from characters from me1 and to set up the grand reveal that shock horror they were bad guys all along.

TIM did have serious potential as an antagonist and could have been written much better (although we still don't know exactly how he's written) but perhaps you were expecting too much complexity in the format, something most games have yet to intergrate into their storytelling.

Bad guys invariably end up as caricatures in both movies and games, its all some people think our fragile little minds will accept.

As for Gillian killing TIM i somehow doubt it, simply because of the see bad guy kill bad guy prevelance in games, if Shepard doesn't get to facedown and kill TIM i'd be very surprised.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Well, it might not this time, but I can only arrive at that conclusion through the metagame reason of Xen needing to be established as a possible villain in some way.

As for the batarians, as I recall it they aren't allowed to leave Hegemony space by the Hegemony... so just letting the poor innocent sods die would be somewhat cruel.

[Foolsfolly]

Experiments on the geth are needed as well because the geth stand in the way and aren't willing to hand it over.

Yes they are. Talk to Legion or even bring Legion to the trial. The geth do not want war, they want to be left alone to build their own future (a Dyson Sphere).

[Ryzaki]

Foolsfolly wrote...
Yeah, you leave him for the Alliance. And he talks about some great Batarian Rebellion for the 'injustices' their people have suffered. Those injustices being the fact that they started a war, lost it, and the Council didn't give in to their demands.

Seriously, the only reason I'll ever save the batarian world is because I don't want more foot soldiers for the Reapers. If at all possibly I want to be the one who cracks that world in half.

*facepalms* ****ing Batarians. Now my paragons are gonna be racist against Batarians. (most of them are already due to being colonists.) 

Looks like it's too late for that. Those cannibals look like Batarian husks/scion like thingies. And since you see them on the Earth level...well. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 juillet 2011 - 10:12 .

[Someone With Mass]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Experiments on the geth are needed as well because the geth stand in the way and aren't willing to hand it over.

Yes they are. Talk to Legion or even bring Legion to the trial. The geth do not want war, they want to be left alone to build their own future (a Dyson Sphere).

Just as a reference.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 13 juillet 2011 - 10:10 .

[Captain Crash]

If they can get Kai Leng out of text and confirm him in ME3 I sure hope they do the same for Gillian or Kahlee. From the sounds of it the book will help wrap up (or ask) a few issues for her, which will certainly put her in a reasonable position to join up with Shepard if it was ever needed in ME3.

[Foolsfolly]

TIM did have serious potential as an antagonist and could have been written much better (although we still don't know exactly how he's written) but perhaps you were expecting too much complexity in the format, something most games have yet to intergrate into their storytelling.

TIM should have never left the games. We should have had him be Shepard's antagonist not have all this book and comic crap. Where he's never as smooth, cool, or as interesting without Martin Sheen's voice and acting.

Plus with his constant presence in other media he's become kinda just a villain. Instead of being a multifaceted villain he's just evil villain guy now. And in ME3 he's indoctrinated. We have no chance of even meeting a sane TIM again.

[Ryzaki]

Wait...TIM's indoctrinated?

LMAO

What an utterly unsurprising twist.  

Oh god I want an exclusive paragon interrupt that just has Shepard go "Why am I completely unsurprised?" in the driest tone possible.

Oh Cerberus. You so damn stupid.  

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 juillet 2011 - 10:16 .

[Foolsfolly]

No, they aren't. If the geth were actually open to peace they'd send the quarians a message of peace.

Again, bring Legion to the Trial and listen to him. There has never been a meeting between geth and quarian that did not result with the quarians attacking the geth.

The geth are the ones who wanted their freedom from slavery under the quarians. The quarians started the war with the geth. The geth won that war and now want their own future removed from organics.

[Someone With Mass]

Foolsfolly wrote...
TIM should have never left the games. We should have had him be Shepard's antagonist not have all this book and comic crap. Where he's never as smooth, cool, or as interesting without Martin Sheen's voice and acting.

Plus with his constant presence in other media he's become kinda just a villain. Instead of being a multifaceted villain he's just evil villain guy now. And in ME3 he's indoctrinated. We have no chance of even meeting a sane TIM again.

It certainly would've allowed the books to focus on more insteresting topics and/or stories instead of going for something so hackneyed.

[Foolsfolly]

Foolsfolly wrote...

No, they aren't. If the geth were actually open to peace they'd send the quarians a message of peace.

Again, bring Legion to the Trial and listen to him. There has never been a meeting between geth and quarian that did not result with the quarians attacking the geth.

The geth are the ones who wanted their freedom from slavery under the quarians. The quarians started the war with the geth. The geth won that war and now want their own future removed from organics.

I agree with myself but I think I forgot to mention that the geth are maintaining the quarian homeworld. They're not occupying it, mining it, nor have they destroyed it. They keep it safe and clean and alive. Legion says it's something similar to a monument/tombstone for their people.

Seriously, get over your hatred of the geth. There's a huge chance for peace between the quarians and geth. As long as the quarians get over this whole "they're our property" "they're not people" thing....and their militaristic approach to dealing with the geth.

I just wish someone other than Korris felt that way. Guy's an idiot.

Modifié par Foolsfolly, 13 juillet 2011 - 10:23 .

[Dave of Canada]

Ryzaki wrote...

Oh god I want an exclusive paragon interrupt that just has Shepard go "Why am I completely unsurprised?" in the driest tone possible.

I don't see why you'd be unsurprised, I'd be surprised if anything. He rarely leaves his ship and all research is done in other facilities, so he'd be far away from any threat of indocrination.

[Leoism]

Will be buying this on release loved everything that's been out so far . Thanks for the info mulder1199. Peace.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

No, they aren't. If the geth were actually open to peace they'd send the quarians a message of peace. Instead they do nothing. It's the same way they handle the rest of the galaxy. Their silence is hostility.

If the geth had been communicating with the quarians Rael's experiments would have probably never taken place.

It is quite telling that Koris is interested in sending a message of peace to the geth and is taking drastic steps to do so. The geth however are not inclined to do so.

The naivety in these sentences is so amusing.



There.

The geth are accepting the quarians' hate. I.e. they don't want to be involved until the quarians have learned to see things from other perspectives, and they don't think they can convince the quarians to not hate them.

[Kaiser Shepard]

I'm still not buying the whole "TIM is indoctrinated" theory; he's too much of a magnificent bastard to just waste like that. He's playing the cards he has, as usual, in an attempt to come out on top. Or maybe just stay alive, as I can see fear of becoming a Reaper avatar like fellow blue-eye Saren be a possibility after Evolution.

Also, he did first appear in the books.

[Foolsfolly]

I'm still not buying the whole "TIM is indoctrinated" theory; he's too much of a magnificent bastard to just waste like that.

I guess it is just a theory at this point. But when E3 was going one of the BioWare guys was playing a level of Mass Effect 3 and Shepard says that Cerberus is indoctrinated.

It could be just a Cerberus cell. Or even most of Cerberus itself. But many people here have taken that line and just figured that TIM's indoctrinated as well. After all why else would TIM go after Renegade Shepard while the Reaper fleet threatens to end all life?

Also, he did first appear in the books.

But he was made for the second game. The development cycle for the books are much shorter than the games.

[alperez]

Saphra Deden wrote...

alperez wrote...

As for Gillian killing TIM i somehow doubt it, simply because of the see bad guy kill bad guy prevelance in games, if Shepard doesn't get to facedown and kill TIM i'd be very surprised.

Ahh, you see, this explains your terrible taste. You can't recognize bad writing because you yourself just can't read very well.

I never said anything about Gillian killing TIM.

No just that she would be the reason why TIM would be completely indoctrinated, not the same as killing him at all.

Once again with the name calling whats next you gonna stick your tongue out.

Seriously, i infer that GIllians revenge would be akin to Gillian killing TIM and from this you resort to acting like a spoilt child and ignoring any viewpoint different than your own.

You must be so much fun at parties.

[Someone With Mass]

TIM is as a good and convincing villain/antagonist as Dr. Claw, anyway.

Even Saren was a better antagonist in the books, because he actually did something, while TIM just sat in his chair and drank alcohol, smoked cigars and banged asari all the time.

I really can't see how that's supposed to make him interesting in any way. Being a puppet master? He fails at that constantly. Being intimidating? Not when he's letting his minions do all the work for him all the time. And take the blame for him. By predicting moves so they fall into his elaborate plan? Nope. Then he would've seen Shepard's actions coming a mile away.

[arne1234]

I always found it a shame that the illusive men in the novels is the ultimate evil, he's always doing things for the greater good but we never get to see that.

Imagen a novel Where someone sees a human politician do something discriminating and cerberus hunts the witnesses down and covers everything up so not to ambarasse humanity and then kills the politician.

Or cerberus causing terrorist attacks in name of the Geth (or spread the idea of a imminent geth attack) to cause a arms race so by the time the reapers come. The citadel races are heavely armed.

Both ideas would be in Cerberus lines of the end justifies the means with the difference it all actually does have a point and the galaxy would be better prepared for a reaper attack.

[Foolsfolly]

I really can't see how that's supposed to make him interesting in any way. Being a puppet master? He fails at that constantly. Being intimidating? Not when he's letting his minions do all the work for him all the time. And take the blame for him. By predicting moves so they fall into his elaborate plan? Nope

But if he just appeared in ME2 then you'd have a few plans in ME1 that Shepard personally stopped. Jack's whole Weapon X storyline that failed, the Derelict Reaper cell that failed, and later Overload that failed.

The books and comics have gone out their way to continue showing him failing, not understanding what's going on, and how incredibly passive he is in everything. If we just saw him in ME2 we can imagine the guy doing any number of things behind the scenes and in-between contacting Shepard. And we could think that perhaps Cerberus had SOME kind of success in its past. So far they successfully rebuilt the Normandy...that's the only project that hasn't exploded and killed at least a Cerberus cell...

...so far at least it has not exploded.

They probably have an orphan's heart in the mass effect drive and it'll decay and cause a massive explosion. It's both stupid and insanely evil for no apparent reason, which seems to be how they want TIM's MO to be now.

[Dave of Canada]

laecraft wrote...

Can you come up with a plausible theory in which TIM is actually working with Shepard in ME3? While sending his troops to kill Shepard...yeah.

Had it not been for the "INDOCRINATED LOL" line and them defending a Reaper...

TIM finds out why Shepard's body was needed by Harbinger, he decides that Shepard poses too much of a security risk to allow that to happen. TIM sends Cerberus after Shepard while using his research and stuff to benefit the Alliance, that way you'd have:

• A morally gray villain without "lol brainwash" coming out of no where.
• People who hate Cerberus can fight them.
• People who respect Cerberus can still like them.
• Keeping the Collector Base has benefits and consequences.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 13 juillet 2011 - 10:58 .