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[Jademoon121]

Yes. Just yes.

[ebevan91]

I'm on my first DA2 playthrough, I'm having fun at the moment but there are things I liked better in Origins/Awakening.

The combat is too fast in DA2.

[thesilverlinedviking]

 I like that Bioware attempted to change Origins in a good way. But that's the big word, attempted. They tried to fix what , I feel, was wrong with the combat in Origins, mainly slow speed and useless abilities. They actually fixed this, but then ruined the combat with stupid, flashy animations, apontainiously exploding enemies, and waves of enemies who appear to have some form of ninja training. Both of these seem like lazy/rushed design choices to appeal to the COD fans and to meet the deadline big bad EA set for them.

They got rid of some of the pointless, boring side quests. Things like the Blackstone Regulators and the Chanter's Board quests and put in more interesting side quests with their own story arcs. I also liked the fact that the story was more personal to the protagonist and I personally liked that the story was set in one city. This was wrecked by many things, the lack of consequences to decisions, the lifelessness of Kirkwall, the idiodic Item Found quests, having a purely reactive protagonist, the lack of an overarching antagonist, the terrible act 3, and the 'insert 60$ to continue' ending. All of this, again, lazy and rused design choices that wreck the positives.

Even with graphics, some interesting and unique designs. I like how they tried to differentiate the races, in Origins, elves looked like slightly shorter humans with pointy ears. But they look like Na'vi without the cat attributes. I don't know which is worse. The Darkspawn also used to look intimitading and scary somewhat, but now they look like they've been pulled out of manga and been smashed in the face with a hammer. They went cartoony with the art style and that ruined the good things about the changes.

I could go on further but I'll stop. The general point of this heap of words is that I like that Bioware actually tried to fix and improve the things plenty of people didn't like or thought needed improvement. Then they went and snorted something and ruined the good things they had with absurd design choices to make an attempt to draw in people who mostly don't have any interest in this franchise and genre and to reach the deadline EA most likely set out for them.

It's a good thing that the Bioware fanbase is a loyal one. :innocent:

[Cyberstrike nTo]

No. I want a more refined version of DA2's improved combat and better characters than a carbon copy of a DA:O.

[Aaleel]

Yes for the most part, there were far more things I'd take from Origins than DA2.

But the biggest thing I want that Origins had and DA2 didn't was being a finished product that paid attention to the little things.

[TheBlackBaron]

Hell. Yes.

Actually, if the only thing they took from Origins was a decent development time with care and attention paid to the details and the little things that go into making a game great, as opposed to just a means to build that golden pool addition, that would have considerably mitigated the negative reception DA2 got. I would still have taken a continuation of the Warden's story - and the connection with Morrigan in particular - but a genuinely good game would have still gotten my support, as opposed to the letdown a merely average (at best) DA2 turned out to be.

[Sammyjb]

Yeah. I thought that was the point of a sequel. This could have been a new IP, fine, but when you form an audience with one kind of game, it isn't a great idea to completely switch it up.

Just what I think. Huh.

[Inquisitor Recon]

@ OP

Yes. God yes. What exactly did DA2 do better?

[Leanansidhe]

No

The only thing I miss about Origins is Alistair.

[Alex Kershaw]

DAO-style.

[EnforcerGREG]

DAO-style.

DA2 suffers from too short a developmet time. With out being to whiny DAO is the better game by far. The Majority of fans know it and the developers now knowit too. Hence the changes their making for legacy.

In an expansion they should ditch the framed naritive let us play presnt day hawke. Playing the warden fom start to finish was a deeply more satisfying and personal expierence. But thats just my opinion.

Also miss the execution kills exploding darkpawn is just not as good compared to the decapitatons

Modifié par EnforcerGREG, 19 juillet 2011 - 10:07 .

[Sidney]

EnforcerGREG wrote...

DAO-style.

DA2 suffers from too short a developmet time. With out being to whiny DAO is the better game by far. The Majority of fans know it and the developers now knowit too. Hence the changes their making for legacy.

Well then the answer is to spend 6 years working on each sequel? That's not really the answer anyone wants either.

Honestly given the turnaround time (which I still think was a way to get some cash flows to offset the TOR development) they should have not added new features in order to create the most polished game. That said they got an impressive amount of "core" changes into the game and most of them imroved the franchise. The problem is that once they finished with core changed they didn't have enough time left over for the game part of things. DA2 was a scope nightmare.

[EnforcerGREG]

Sidney wrote...

EnforcerGREG wrote...

DAO-style.

DA2 suffers from too short a developmet time. With out being to whiny DAO is the better game by far. The Majority of fans know it and the developers now knowit too. Hence the changes their making for legacy.

Well then the answer is to spend 6 years working on each sequel? That's not really the answer anyone wants either.

Honestly given the turnaround time (which I still think was a way to get some cash flows to offset the TOR development) they should have not added new features in order to create the most polished game. That said they got an impressive amount of "core" changes into the game and most of them imroved the franchise. The problem is that once they finished with core changed they didn't have enough time left over for the game part of things. DA2 was a scope nightmare.

I heard somewhere that Origins had a deveolpmnt time of about 5  years that seems too long but at the time we didn't know what we were missing. DA2 had about a year and a bit. I think 2-4 years would be okay for any future developmets as long as there is a dedictated team workig on dlc titles until the next installment,

[dheer]

No doubt I'd have liked a DA:O style game more.

The more time passes, the more I want to forget what DA2 turned out to be. It's sad and kind of amazing that a team with this much talent left from the first game could put out something like it.

[Walrusninja]

No, I'd rather Bioware tried new things and learnt what worked and what didn't, then led from the front, than stay in the 90's era of RPG ideaology.

[frustratemyself]

From a gameplay/combat perspective egads no, Origins combat was just clunky and painful.
The story was done better in Origins though. DA2 had a lot of potential there but it kind of got lost.

[Wentletrap]

What I did not miss from DA:O:  the combat.   DA2 was an (albeit imperfect) upgrade, IMO.

What I sorely missed:  the sense of a world.   Recycled maps and generic item names do not a fantasy RPG make. 

[sycophanticchallenger]

DA 2 was an obvious cash in. Of course I would love to see a return to form for the series. Will it happen? No.

But it sure would be nice.

[Nightdragon8]

but if you guys really look at it, DA2 seemed to revoled around the whole Awakening type gameplay, I mean in general. Can't talk to compaions while outside of the "safe zone" areas also the "reinforcements in the same space" was the same. I think maybe aawakening had the same amount of maps that DA2 had...

So I get the feeling they thought they could make a whole game out of what was really an expansion but I hope they get it that because they could cut corners on a expantion and we accept it, doesn't mean they can cut corners on a "full game" and we will accept it.

[Monica83]

DAO style... Let's keep RPG franchise RPG.. And not dumbed down games maked in order to have easy cash from the succes of predecessor....

[errant_knight]

Luke Bioware wrote...

I was just wondering about this, and sorry if it has been discussed before. I would've rather had something like Awakening again to be honest, if they truly didn't get much time from EA to make a new classic. Much like Baldur's Gate II was to Baldur's Gate I mean: subtle changes, which made the game somewhat better than its predecessor in the end.

Personally I really hated the dumbed down combat. Easier to handle for consoles is great and all that, but if you need new mobs coming out of nowhere to make things 'interesting', there is something wrong. (I suppose I don't have to talk about the rehashed areas, abscence of many monsters and creatures that did exist in the original and so on and so on.)

To long, didn't read: I would've been more happier with a revamped DAO, so that the focus could've been placed on the story and more important things than the redesign.

100% yes. DA2 removed almost everything I enjoyed about DA:O and replaced it with things that actively diminished my enjoyment. I've already said my piece about all that, though, so I won't go into it again.

[DraCZeQQ]

All I want is good toolset so talented people have ability to redesing everything ... and well really good story that has internal logic, lack plot holes and is not butchered by game system