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#126
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Morroian wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...

I shouldnt have to download a giant "patch" for a game in order to get decent looking textures Persephone; what about the console users?
Console users may well have to put up with a ridiculously ugly looking game (if they need to download the textures) because of lack of HD space (the new Xboxes have a small HD of 6GB). I find it mind boggling that they designed (supposedly) this game to make it more accessible to consoles and yet they did this...

The Hi res texture pack is for PCs only with the latest GPUs not consoles or older PCs. Thats why its a download and BW are not the only company recently to have done it.



Right.

So does that mean that Consolers are stuck with ****ty low res graphics then? Or did they get the hires shipped on the disk?

Not that it matters. Both cases are exceptionally unfair.

Consolers being stuck with an ugly lowres game when PC gamers get the hires patch (which is stupid btw); or consolers getting hires shipped and us PC gamers having to DL it seperately?
Both state of affairs suck.

No wonder some people are saying this game is hideous lol.

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Uhm, isn't the reason the consoles don't have the extra-hirez gfx that the dated console hardware simply can't run with it? I'm of the impression that on console it's already as pretty as the console can render it. The extra download for high-end PCs is just that; a bonus release for those with the hardware to pull it off. I really don't see how a negative spin can be put on that.

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The hires textures aint THAT hires Parahexavoctal. I dont see the consoles struggling with them tbh; if the 360 can handle gorgeous games like Crysis, and Halo Reach then Dragon Age 2 wont even cause it to hiccup.

IF it did struggle with the hires textures, then I would be more inclined to blame an engine optimisation problem rather than the consoles being unable to handle it.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 14 juillet 2011 - 08:45 .


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FitScotGaymer wrote...

The hires textures aint THAT hires Parahexavoctal. I dont see the consoles struggling with them tbh; if the 360 can handle gorgeous games like Crysis, and Halo Reach then Dragon Age 2 wont even cause it to hiccup.

High peformance games are hardly using their hi res graphics options on consoles. DA2 with the hi es options would not be able to run on consoles. Whether its ugly or not is purely an aesthetic thing nothing to do with the detail of the texture IMHO parts of the games like the areas outside Kirkwall look fantastic.

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Lol. You take Dungeone Siege 3 that is a failure and have bad graphic design and Duke Nukem Forever that was probably acreated 5-6 years ago and after making it playable - gearbox release it to get over it and make some money.
Why dont you compare it to Witcher 2. Both games have been released in the same year..

TW2 has better graphics than DA2, so what. DA2 is not trying to be up there with the best. It can't by virtue of it being a party based game, with the limitations to the engine that brings. But the fact remains that it is an upgrade to DAO and it has greater graphical detail than games released just before it.

Oh and the graphics on DS3 is one of the best things about it. So you're wrong there. Some of the animations are lacking bu the graphical detail is very good.

Dariuszp wrote...

Face facts. DA II graphic is outdated. Just like DAO graphic. Yet DAO have more details (see armors as example) when DA II armors look like sh**.

Addons is not better. Same crappy stuff.

This is just you talking out your ass trying to talk down the game, you're totally completely wrong here.

Modifié par Morroian, 14 juillet 2011 - 11:25 .


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Dragon choise in DA2?



The second to last choice in TW2. If you go down Path A in act one, you have no idea why that choice is even present.

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That genlock looked huge as hell I wonder what happened to the genlock rogues and emissaries though.

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Dariuszp wrote...

Lol. You take Dungeone Siege 3 that is a failure and have bad graphic design and Duke Nukem Forever that was probably acreated 5-6 years ago and after making it playable - gearbox release it to get over it and make some money.
Why dont you compare it to Witcher 2. Both games have been released in the same year.

Face facts. DA II graphic is outdated. Just like DAO graphic. Yet DAO have more details (see armors as example) when DA II armors look like sh**.

Addons is not better. Same crappy stuff.


By what measure do you consider Dungeon Siege 3 a failure?  and how does it relate to graphics?

Oh now I get it, I'm only supposed to compare the games graphics against the games that support the argument that the games graphics are dated.  You guys didn't want me to say any games that don't have graphics up to par with DA2 because that debunks your theory so you attack the games as being "failures." 

Oh and the Witchers 2's graphics are outdated anyway.  Please see Final Fantasy XIII in that regard.  Final Fantasy not only had better graphics then it, it was done on a PS3 as opposed to a PC.  I'd also say that CoD: Black Ops and God of War III beats out Witcher 2 in graphics as well.  Funny too, because all those games are 2010 releases.

Face Facts: DA2's graphics aren't outdated, they just aren't the top end in gaming.  They are still above average for this generation of systems.

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Didn't realize this game looked so ugly on console  :sick:

Why would anyone waste money on a game that looks like that in 2011

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San Diego Thief wrote...

LOL @ "existing fans really gravitated to all the new things we introduced with Dragon Age 2" - I take it this guy is stuck in an office all day and has never visited the forums or read any user reviews


Hi. * waves * 

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Fernando Melo wrote...

San Diego Thief wrote...

LOL @ "existing fans really gravitated to all the new things we introduced with Dragon Age 2" - I take it this guy is stuck in an office all day and has never visited the forums or read any user reviews


Hi. * waves * 

F.


Hehehe sorry this made me laugh. :)

Modifié par Feraele, 15 juillet 2011 - 12:31 .


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Fernando Melo wrote...

San Diego Thief wrote...

LOL @ "existing fans really gravitated to all the new things we introduced with Dragon Age 2" - I take it this guy is stuck in an office all day and has never visited the forums or read any user reviews


Hi. * waves * 

F.


Lmao. 

Morroian wrote...
TW2 has better graphics than DA2, so what. DA2 is not trying to be up there with the best. It can't by virtue of it being a party based game, with the limitations to the engine that brings. But the fact remains that it is an upgrade to DAO and it has greater graphical detail than games released just before it.


Well here's Witcher 2 running on consoles. Near the end the say on the 360 it clearly won't look as good but they also say "it's not just about texture size it's also about the art direction" In both areas DA2 fails miserably. Dragon Age needs a new engine.

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Ringo12, 15 juillet 2011 - 01:28 .


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Fernando Melo wrote...

San Diego Thief wrote...

LOL @ "existing fans really gravitated to all the new things we introduced with Dragon Age 2" - I take it this guy is stuck in an office all day and has never visited the forums or read any user reviews


Hi. * waves * 

F.


I'm curious where you get your information from :-/ No matter what gaming forum I go to(not just this one that is obviously more .. Biased?) It's pretty much universally agreed that Origins is the better game, hands down.

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^ I'd also like to know where they get info from, but from the opposite side of the fence.

I thought Origins was great, but enjoyed DAII a bit more and thought many of the design changes made complete sense. I hope the franchise keeps heading vaguelly in that direction, personally, but integration of more classic RPG elements would be nice too.

It's not universally agreed upon that Origins was better. There was a thread around here somewhere, still with a very small sample, which said something like 14% prefered DAII. And, 50% of people who preferred Origins still thought that DAII was a good game. (That's probably completely misrepresenting a meaningless statistic, but my point is that its not universally agreed upon.)

Still, maybe they are going on info collected from people's games. That would be interesting to know. Where else does feedback come from? Maybe they kidnap people at random, ask them a whole bunch of questions, then give them a memory erasing drug and send them on their way. That would be cool.

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Firky wrote...

It's not universally agreed upon that Origins was better. There was a thread around here somewhere, still with a very small sample, which said something like 14% prefered DAII. And, 50% of people who preferred Origins still thought that DAII was a good game. (That's probably completely misrepresenting a meaningless statistic, but my point is that its not universally agreed upon.)


By universally he meant "generally", not that every single person in the world thinks DA:O is better than DA2.

And he's right.
Magazine critics, user reviews and most  importantly, SALES, show that Origins was better.

Heck, Origins was great. DA2. was mediocre at best. And for my tastes, just plain bad.

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Fernando Melo wrote...

San Diego Thief wrote...

LOL @ "existing fans really gravitated to all the new things we introduced with Dragon Age 2" - I take it this guy is stuck in an office all day and has never visited the forums or read any user reviews


Hi. * waves * 

F.


ROFLMAO

Modifié par csfteeeer, 15 juillet 2011 - 05:16 .


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Corto81 wrote...
DA2. was mediocre at best.

I thought it was decent. There are many poor design decisions in the game, but the base combat was fun (if a bit fast) and I enjoyed questing.

What really dragged DA2 down was, like I said before, poor design. Restricting the player to only a few static areas and recycling dungeons endlessly made for a bland setting and that obviously didn't set well with players. Enemies falling from the sky didn't help. But that's also the saving grace for the DA2 DLC. If those design flaws are rectified, then what we're left with is solid gameplay in new areas with not a single parachuting mercenary in sight.

If you didn't like the combat then... well you're out of luck. But I'd like to think most people were fine with the combat despite its slightly overly frantic pace.

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Bryy_Miller wrote...

Ukki wrote...

Dragon choise in DA2?



The second to last choice in TW2. If you go down Path A in act one, you have no idea why that choice is even present.




Ah, all right then, not right there yet. Just started to play the game.

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Bryy_Miller wrote...

The fact that you literally had to play the game twice to get all the story (the dragon choice at the end especially annoyed me) was what soured me to TW2.


I was thinking that this is best part of the whole game. If you have two oposite factions, you dont know what is going one in the second one. Whatever you choose, some facts will be hidden. Also this way when you play game second time - most of that time you have different story, quests and stuff.
One of the reasons why I dont like DA II. If you replay it - you get same stuff again. EXACLY the same. Even choices have no real impact. Only difference is that you have some additional line in dialogue or something.

So what you say is a good thing. This add to game replayability and give you REAL choices with REAL consequences.

Anyway, should we not talk about Legacy here ? This thread is not about DA2 vs TW2 but about Legacy. Have anyone encounter some additional info ? I dislike what I saw in this video but probably that was not full addon right ? Meaby we are wrong and this add some interesting stuff that would force me to play this game again. 
I forced myself to finish DA II first time so it would be nice if Legacy give something interesting that fix some annoying stuff in this game.

Modifié par Dariuszp, 15 juillet 2011 - 06:20 .


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FitScotGaymer wrote...



Right.

So does that mean that Consolers are stuck with ****ty low res graphics then? Or did they get the hires shipped on the disk?

Not that it matters. Both cases are exceptionally unfair.

Consolers being stuck with an ugly lowres game when PC gamers get the hires patch (which is stupid btw); or consolers getting hires shipped and us PC gamers having to DL it seperately?
Both state of affairs suck.

No wonder some people are saying this game is hideous lol.

Consoles can't have high-res textures and as good graphics, as pc. Their hardware is outdated. 

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Morroian wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...

The hires textures aint THAT hires Parahexavoctal. I dont see the consoles struggling with them tbh; if the 360 can handle gorgeous games like Crysis, and Halo Reach then Dragon Age 2 wont even cause it to hiccup.

High peformance games are hardly using their hi res graphics options on consoles. DA2 with the hi es options would not be able to run on consoles. Whether its ugly or not is purely an aesthetic thing nothing to do with the detail of the texture IMHO parts of the games like the areas outside Kirkwall look fantastic.

360 can't handle crysis. It handels version of crysis with crappy graphics with low fps.

and pc got hires textures and directx 11 which makes it look even better.

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Tigerman123 wrote...

Didn't realize this game looked so ugly on console  :sick:

Why would anyone waste money on a game that looks like that in 2011


Better not look at Origins on a console then ;)

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Dariuszp wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

The fact that you literally had to play the game twice to get all the story (the dragon choice at the end especially annoyed me) was what soured me to TW2.


I was thinking that this is best part of the whole game. 


Same here but I guess people like him would prefer to be spoon fed all the information and lore the game has to offer. 


Lintanis wrote...

Tigerman123 wrote...
Didn't realize this game looked so ugly on console  [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/sick.png[/smilie]
Why would anyone waste money on a game that looks like that in 2011

Better not look at Origins on a console then [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

But at least Origins was a good game so the graphics were the least important thing and remember it used to look like this.

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It seems this are screens of battle at ostagar.

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Corto81 wrote...

By universally he meant "generally", not that every single person in the world thinks DA:O is better than DA2.

And he's right.
Magazine critics, user reviews and most  importantly, SALES, show that Origins was better.


Well, he did say "universally", or if I'm being precise, "pretty much universally agreed." Nonetheless, yes, critic scores, criticism in "online" circles and (so far as any outsider can tell) sales, could be seen to define Origins as "better."

Something I've started to wonder recently, is whether that kind of criteria really does define a game as "better." I recall the hardcore Civilization sites slamming Civ V, for a whole bunch of reasons. It was certainly less popular with gamers and the MP community (but not critics) than Civ IV, due to "streamlining", lack of "complexity" etc. I would still argue that many features, like the 1 unit per tile mechanic, were an absolutely necessary change and I've been a fan forever.

Similarly, I'm currently playing a beta of the next game in a very long running, PC exclusive strategy series. I'm shocked by how how much of the game has been "streamlined", changed or lost. (As, it seems, are many people posting on the beta forum.) However, as much as I suspect many fans of the series are going to be disappointed, so many of the design decisions make perfect sense. In this case, (I believe), the game is remaining on PC and they aren't chasing some kind of "wider crowd" or anything like that. They are just making bold changes (and, IMO, unpopular but probably the right ones - at least some of them.)

When I've heard DAII's designers talk about "DA now has more potential" and "people are afraid of change" (they are quickly paraphrased attempts to replicate how some people are interpreting official comments, not actual comments) I'm actually starting to reluctantly agree. (I say "reluctantly" because my initial reaction to DAII was "Whoa, what the hell?" but it did evolve into, "OK, I think I understand where you are trying to go with this.")

Yes, in some ways, things like critical and fan reception, sales etc, are an indicator of what makes a "good" game. In other ways, they aren't. (In my opinion.)

Anyway, in an effort to be vaguely on topic...... hmmmm...  I wonder if Legacy's reception, critical, fan and sales-wise will reveal anything new in terms of where DA is heading etc. I'd love to know how DLC for Origins sold. But, I have no idea.

Modifié par Firky, 15 juillet 2011 - 08:37 .