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[Cypher0020]

I created a adorable ldalish male rogue the other day named Kaiat, hoping to romance Leliana when I began to draft him as my first US warden...... when I realized that I he was going to die at the end of the game made me nearly depressed


Did anyone else feel this way? The way I'm RPing Kaiat he obviously has no idea what's coming until the final seige... and his honor won't allow the dark ritiual to happen....and Alistair is king, and Leliana...


So anyone else turn into a wreck like me?

[bleetman]

All but two of mine have taken Morrigan's offer for one reason or another. Of the two that did, one was far too much of a pious soul to be tempted by offers of blood magic and power. That one wasn't all that depressing. Y'know, until I tried assaulting the fort with no mage.

The other one... was my second ever character, who romanced an unhardened Alistair and intended to make the blow herself after the events of the Landsmeet. That didn't go as planned either, and yes, it was genuinely gut-wrenching at the time. Just not preemptively so.

[Last Darkness]

You can make Alistair King and have Loghain take the hit for the team so you can get "The Redeemer" achivement.

Also, I dislike any ending that kills the Warden as this will effect your future events in the story of Dragonage as told through the DLC, Expansion, and Sequals. Ive even heard some people say the Warden will return in DA3 but thats rumors.

The Dark Ritual shouldnt be overlooked especialy if your in love with Morrigan (And btw if you ever slept with her she gets the baby anyways). Also as Dalish you should be very intrested in preserving the old ways that are being eradicated by the current world soecity. Allowing the Dragon of Beauty to live on in a Uncorrupted form instead of being forced to become the Archdemon by the taint. Sounds more noble then self-sacrifice.

[Corker]

OTOH, Dalish may not be interested in preserving the soul of a god of the Tevinter Imperium - the ones who destroyed Arlathan. What goes around, comes around...

I have little problem offing my characters, especially when it suits them. My canon Brosca was too scared of screwing everything up by taking Morrigan's hard sell (because hard sells are rarely good for the buyer) and had thoroughly bought into Sten's "you are what you do" talks. Since Alistair was king, he had to stick around to do some kinging. She was the one everyone called 'the Warden', and the Warden's job is Archdemons Killed Real Good. Breaking Zev's heart is my only regret for that PT.

[Wulfram]

I just made her be the sort of person who'd have a good time being a warden, and would see a heroic sacrifice to save the world as a pretty good way to go out.

[theskymoves]

My Wardens always romance Alistair, and as soul-crushing and distasteful a decision as Morrigan's ritual is, I've always managed to send the boy off for some Morrigan sexytime, in the interest of a quasi-happy ever after.

My goody-good Elf mage was problematic, though... there was no way she EVER going to resort any blood magic ritual, and I knew that, very early on, so the idea of US was always in the back of my mind with her. We tried marrying Alistair off to Anoya, and recruiting Loghain and letting him take the final blow, but the aftermath was just too... unpleasant. So we started over, and my Warden actually sucked it up and went so far as to get Alistair to agree to the ritual. But when push came to shove, she told Morrigan to shove it. So I cried (because I'm ever so fond of her... she was quirky and fun to play), made sure she had a pretty dress in her inventory (for the funeral, y'all), suckerpunched King Alistair and took one For Ferelden!!!... and it was just unspeakably sad. I will never do THAT again, at least not with a Warden I like, though I'm glad I did it once. And maybe one day I'll re-play poor little Nariel Surana and give her and Alistair a happy (err... happy-ish) ending. They deserve it, after all I put them though!

~tsm

[Jedimaster88]

I have only once done the ultimate sacrifise. It was a mage who romanced leliana. It was pretty sad to watch and all. Refusing Morrigans ritual just seemed...wrong somehow, plus my warden said pretty nasty things to her before she left.

My human noble warden instead always does the ritual with morrigan because he loves her and wants to trust her after everything. I can imagine how unpleasant its for female wardens to ask alistair/loghain to do the ritual if they decide so. Thats one of the reasons I dont play with female character because it just feels...disturbing that alistair or even worse loghain of all people does the ritual with morrigan. Damn I sound like a jealous husband or something.

Just because its called "dark ritual" it doesnt mean its "evil". I understand there was a scene, which was cut. Its right after riordan tells the truth about killing the archdemon, where morrigan herself is troubled about the ritual. In witch hunt she tells you that yes she needed the warden for the ritual but she also didnt want to see him/her die. The warden is the only person she cares about truly as a friend or as a loved one. Understandable that she doesnt want that only person to die after everything. Of course she has some plans of her own, but still.

In the world of dragon age, things arent that simple. Even though morrigan can seem to be a nasty person and all, she is not, well at least not that much. When you talk to her, you can understand why she acts the way she does and when you become close with her as a friend or a lover, she shows her other side wich is nice. I dont think people should feel that much guilty if they do the ritual, I certainly dont with my warden. But only the future games can hopefully tell us what are the consequenses for the ritual.

[Last Darkness]

My current game has my Warden, Caim Mahariel
The Dalish Elf took his Funeral to a heavy heart as in the tradition of his people was that when he left, he was dead to them and to his clan. He adopted the Wardens as his new family and duty "To stop the Blight by any means nessasary". He fully understands what the Grey part of being a Warden is and is making deicisions that are soly focused on whats garanteed to stop the blight now. He tries to help where he can but knows that his deicisions can have disatrous results so hes wary and gives them enough though to think about the consequqnces. His Origin, taught him how making a ill thought deicision can result in your death and the deaths of your friends no matter how innocent it seemed.

He saved the Mages of the Circle, but he betrayed the Dalish to the Werewolves and also saw Bhelen King and Branka forging Golems. He also had a inborn dislike of the Chantry and bargained with many Demons and Blood Mages.

[Sir Edric]

^Your dalish Warden betrayed his own people? Wow, that's cold. I play often as a "evil" Warden and even I think that's cold.

[Last Darkness]

Vrex_12 wrote...

^Your dalish Warden betrayed his own people? Wow, that's cold. I play often as a "evil" Warden and even I think that's cold.

Mahariel of Clan Sabrae is dead, there is only The Warden now and his duty to stop the Blight by any means nessasary.
The Werewolves make stronger allies and their leader is wise and powerful.
The Dalish clan was naive and rotting from the inside. Their leader corrupted by hatred and his loss would effect the whole clan with his absence. Instead it was better to slay him and turn the clan into Werewolves.
Besides hes always had a affinity to nature and animals (Ranger/Assassin Spec.) and apprecietes the beauty of the savage noble beasts.

I actualy intend to roleplay his epilogue choice and while he askes the Ruler of Ferelden for land for the Dalish he actualy intends its use for his Werewolf allies. Who never lied to him, betrayed him, and swore their assitance to stop the Blight. A fitting reward. (Hinterlands, Werewolf Territory)

Though strangely I find it while the Dalish are the only "Neutral" they are one of two that can betray their Origin. The other is of course the Mages and killing the Circle and sideing with Templars. The others cant really do that as a major story element. (City Elf can kinda do it but it dosnt really effect the story)

Modifié par Last Darkness, 12 juillet 2011 - 09:28 .

[Sir Edric]

I'm just messing with ya, and I'm not judging your point of view, which is actually a good one.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Technically, everyone but the human noble can betray their origin. Dwarven casteless Wardens can side with Harrowmont, thus destroying the hope of their sister and entire class. Dwarven nobles, depending on outlook and choices, also can.

[LT123]

I have two Wardens who did the US. The first was my Circle-supporting Amell who hated blood magic, especially after Jowan's fiasco, so she threw Morrigan out after hearing the "Some might call it that" bit. She got dumped at the Landsmeet (devastated but felt Alistair was right) and sure wasn't going to let Alistair go kill himself. That was a sad playthrough, particularly when Wynne encouraged her to go back to the Circle once the Blight was over. If I remember correctly, there was even a dialogue option along the lines of "I don't think I'll survive this."

My second Mahariel didn't trust Morrigan as far as she could throw her, was romancing Alistair and wanted him to live, and felt guilty for killing Connor and the humans in the origin and Tamlen's death.

[Last Darkness]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Technically, everyone but the human noble can betray their origin. Dwarven casteless Wardens can side with Harrowmont, thus destroying the hope of their sister and entire class. Dwarven nobles, depending on outlook and choices, also can.

Technicaly Correct, its the best kind.


I do apologise though the Betrayal I was thinking of is killing your own. As part of a large story event like changing what factions assist you.  Dalish can kill the Dalish, Mages can Kill the Mages.

Closet the other can come is
City elf takes bribe money and takes bribe again later with the slaves.
Dwarf Com sides with Harrowmont and screws over his family and friends. 
Dwarf Noble can Kill Bhelen by sideing with Harrowmont.
Human Noble can just be an ass.

[EnchantedEyes1]

Cypher0020 wrote...

I created a adorable ldalish male rogue the other day named Kaiat, hoping to romance Leliana when I began to draft him as my first US warden...... when I realized that I he was going to die at the end of the game made me nearly depressed


Did anyone else feel this way? The way I'm RPing Kaiat he obviously has no idea what's coming until the final seige... and his honor won't allow the dark ritiual to happen....and Alistair is king, and Leliana...


So anyone else turn into a wreck like me?

It took me a year to create and finish a warden who would to the US. I started trying to do the US with a dwarf noble, then casteless - but the only one who I was able to play to completion was my Dalish rogue. It was the hardest playthrough I've had. Tore me up too

ETA: correction, Serenity was a city elf, not Dalish...

Modifié par EnchantedEyes1, 15 juillet 2011 - 06:08 .

[M-Taylor]

I play it without meta-gaming. Of course, I'm aware this character is going to die, but the actual character isn't. The US is usually my favourite ending because I find it a very 'fitting' ending for many Wardens, instead of a 'lololol dark ritual pow pow! You no die!', which to me feels abit cheap. (Saying that, my canon Warden did indeed do the Dark Ritual because I feel that it has the most potential with progressing the story).

So yeah.. I play as if I would any Warden, and if anything, it makes the ending all the sadder. And I do love sad endings.. xD

[Nerdage]

Lost everything in the origin => found purpose in the wardens => no romances => didn't trust Morrigan's evasiveness during the ritual offer => dead.

That's basically how my US wardens go, though I've only ever finished 1-2. It has a gratifying payoff at the end of the game, but takes about 70 hours of being tediously stoic before that so they rarely finish the game. If I like my character enough to not want them dead I'll usually go for the redeemer ending instead, and I've yet to like a US character enough to import it into DA2, although a DN US character is on my list of Origins characters to make for future import.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

My dwarven noble, Duran Aeducan, betrayed his brother Bhelen at the last second, placing Harrowmont as the new king of Orzammar.  He entered into a loving relationship with Leliana, and had [hardened] Alistair marry Queen Anora.  He favored nobility over the casteless and was a somewhat pragmatic man, although a good man in the grander scale of the world.

Duran had a fear and mistrust of magic, especially blood magic., so he turned down Morrigan's offer  Alistair had to live and become king, and Duran knew what he had to do.  He did "what must be done" in order to save Ferelden from the blight.  He was a beloved friend to Gorim and Oghren.  Having lost his entire family and his caste, he felt he had no home left anyway, aside from the Wardens.  Therefore, his last words to Alistair before the final battle were something along the lines of "For the glory of the Grey Wardens!"  He died a hero.

My decision to have him be the one to make the sacrifice was based on the fact that I'd already played through Awakening as a dwarf (commoner) and I felt that it would be too similar, compared the the other origins.

Modifié par Neverwinter_Knight77, 15 juillet 2011 - 10:08 .

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Last Darkness wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Technically, everyone but the human noble can betray their origin. Dwarven casteless Wardens can side with Harrowmont, thus destroying the hope of their sister and entire class. Dwarven nobles, depending on outlook and choices, also can.

Closet the other can come is
City elf takes bribe money and takes bribe again later with the slaves.

Actually, the city elf could allow his cousin and others to be raped without repercussions.  That's pretty low.

[Faust1979]

 No I didn't turn into a wreck or get depressed

[leggywillow]

The only time I got a little teary in Origins was when my Dalish elf did the US.  It wasn't her death itself but the way I RPed to get her to that point that was depressing.

She was tempermental and didn't trust humans from the get-go.  She loved Tamlen and didn't want to be dragged away from her clan in the first place.  She would have gladly stayed with them, searching for Tamlen until she died of the taint.  Needless to say, she really hated Duncan.  Still, she sucked it up and did her duty amongst all the shems, telling herself it was all for the clan in the long run.

Slowly, Alistair gained her trust and she eventually fell for him.  From her perspective she rushed into the relationship (since she'd known him for, what, a few months?), but her biggest regret was wasting the time she had with Tamlen.  She never made a move on Tamlen because she always figured they would have more time.  Rhet learned that lesson the hard way.  With Alistair, she didn't want to take that risk.

She didn't understand the human politics (since bloodlines don't seem particularly important to the Dalish) but played along to get her job done.  She figured putting Alistair on the throne would be best for everyone, since it seemed so important to Eamon.  Alistair was one of the few decent shems she'd met, after all.  Then, of course, he dumped her.  Poor little emotional, irrational thing.  If she'd had time, she would have eventually come to understand why he had to do it.  At the time, however, she was utterly broken.  She took a chance on trusting a human and in her eyes, he tossed her aside because he didn't see an elf worthy of standing beside him.

Then comes Morrigan, a human she never trusted, with some shady offer.  Rhet was tired of shemlen lies and being used as a pawn in some greater game.  She told Morrigan to beat it.  At that point, Rhet had nothing left.  She was emotionally exhausted by this point and didn't really care whether she died or not.

It was a pretty sad playthrough but one of my favorites.  Rhet was such a different character from the kind of PC I usually play, so it was a blast following her decisions to their inevitable conclusion.  Even if I did cry a little.

Modifié par leggywillow, 20 juillet 2011 - 05:00 .

[ProneToGlory]

 My Pious Human Noble never expected to become the warden he did. He wanted to live his life in peace as his brother's second, but when he got the call, he responded soundly. He knew he had to end the blight no matter the consequence. He culled the mages, the templars were an army while the mages had been destroyed by abominations and blood mages. He cured the werewolves and kept the dalish to their word. He crowned Bhelen and kept the anvil, he lived by "the ends justify the means" I think the hardest part was watching my warden stab Connor to death, that...that was just brutal man. I always knew this warden was gonna die, it was hard at first but planning makes it easier.