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[evilmunky80]

TheZerby wrote...

The only problem with that rendition and is a problem a lot of art, forgets is that Quarians seem to have a dominant nose to the rest of their face. Flat noses don't make sense.

I agree with this. In ME1 there were some faceplates, specifically the red and gold coloured ones, where Tali's features were more visible than the standard purple one and you can see that her nose is definitely more "human" for lack of a better term.

[Han Shot First]

evilmunky80 wrote...

TheZerby wrote...

The only problem with that rendition and is a problem a lot of art, forgets is that Quarians seem to have a dominant nose to the rest of their face. Flat noses don't make sense.

I agree with this. In ME1 there were some faceplates, specifically the red and gold coloured ones, where Tali's features were more visible than the standard purple one and you can see that her nose is definitely more "human" for lack of a better term.

Agreed.

The bone structure and shape of Quarian faces seem to fairly similar to humans, except for the much smaller or entirely internal ears. (mentioned in the novels)

That is another detail that a lot of the fan art gets wrong. Usually the Quarians are given human or elf ears in fan art, when they actually have smaller or entirely internal ears.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 28 juillet 2011 - 06:39 .

[Hathur]

Nice and alien looking.. I like 'em... they are neither hideous, nor beautiful... they're just... what they are.

I would be quite pleased if Quarians were made to look like that (as opposed to being matched to silly human ideals).

[Hathur]

Han Shot First wrote...

evilmunky80 wrote...

TheZerby wrote...

The only problem with that rendition and is a problem a lot of art, forgets is that Quarians seem to have a dominant nose to the rest of their face. Flat noses don't make sense.

I agree with this. In ME1 there were some faceplates, specifically the red and gold coloured ones, where Tali's features were more visible than the standard purple one and you can see that her nose is definitely more "human" for lack of a better term.

Agreed.

The bone structure and shape of their faces seem to fairly similar to humans, except for the much smaller or entirely internal ears. (mentioned in the novels)

That is another detail that a lot of the fan art gets wrong. Usually the Quarians are given human or elf ears in fan art, when they actually have smaller or entirely internal ears.

Do keep in mind that Bioware said that in ME1 (and ME2) they hadn't actually even made design concepts as to what a Quarian looks like... they didn't know what a Quarian looks like cus they never even thought to design it... Quarians just use a placeholder blank human-like face covered by the mask because they never intended to show the face... it wasn't until ME3 came around where they (probably) fnally designed a Quarian face for the first time.

Modifié par Hathur, 28 juillet 2011 - 06:39 .

[Remmak]

Han Shot First wrote...
Agreed.

The bone structure and shape of their faces seem to fairly similar to humans, except for the much smaller or entirely internal ears. (mentioned in the novels)

That is another detail that a lot of the fan art gets wrong. Usually the Quarians are given human or elf ears in fan art, when they actually have smaller or entirely internal ears.

Actually, if you check the male placeholder (since you guys seem to love treating those as THE model) you'll see they have no nose at all. Only eyes. No jaw even. It's a low-poly stand-in and that's it. Probably just a box-model starter head. It's what my render of Kal looks like when his subsurfing is turned off.

And for the second time, my quarians have no extruding ears. It's a very small slit in the sides of their heads under the spines on either side of the eyes.

I never intended for these to be brought to this forum, and I sure as hell don't expect Bioware to come down and blow sunshine up my backside for an unfinished and unsolicited interpretation. It was done for fun. Believe it or not some people - particularly artists - are known for that kind of on-a-whim thing.

[Han Shot First]

Do keep in mind that Bioware said that in ME1 (and ME2) they hadn't actually even made design concepts as to what a Quarian looks like... they didn't know what a Quarian looks like cus they never even thought to design it... Quarians just use a placeholder blank human-like face covered by the mask because they never intended to show the face... it wasn't until ME3 came around where they (probably) fnally designed a Quarian face for the first time.

Placeholder aside, the novels confirm that the Quarians have faces that are at least somewhat similar to  humans in shape. That isn't to say that they'll look just like humans of course, but they would probably have more in common with the Drell (a relatively human-looking species as far as facial bone structure) than Turians or Salarians or Krogan..

And for the second time, my quarians have no extruding ears. It's a very small slit in the sides of their heads under the spines on either side of the eyes.

You are tilting at windmills.

I was agreeing with someone who stated that the Quarians had a human looking nose, and made a general comment about most of the Tali fan art out there portraying ears wrong. Neither statement was directed at your work in particular. 

Modifié par Han Shot First, 28 juillet 2011 - 03:43 .

[TheShogunOfHarlem]

Nice work. I just don't think it would work for a Quarian. Quarians appear to have prominent noses which are clearly absent from the OP concept art. Forehead ridges or a prominent forehead reminds me too much of Klingon and all the Klingon-esque aliens introduced in Star Trek.

Honestly, most Tali/Quarian concept/fan art I have seen is generally uninspired one way (too humanoid) for those who want an attractive alien or the other (too alien) those who bothered by the concept of a humanoid looking quarian and want an alien looking quarian for the sake of having one.
I'm honestly willing to put my faith in Bioware since I really don't have any expectation.

[Remmak]

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...

Nice work. I just don't think it would work for a Quarian. Quarians appear to have prominent noses which are clearly absent from the OP concept art. Forehead ridges or a prominent forehead reminds me too much of Klingon and all the Klingon-esque aliens introduced in Star Trek.

Honestly, most Tali/Quarian concept/fan art I have seen is generally uninspired one way (too humanoid) for those who want an attractive alien or the other (too alien) those who bothered by the concept of a humanoid looking quarian and want an alien looking quarian for the sake of having one.

I'm honestly willing to put my faith in Bioware since I really don't have any expectation.

I did these quarians for my sake, nothing else. And as I am quite happy with them, this experiment was a success. I didn't like the space elf girlie quarians, so I did something different. You don't like my quarians, but are probably not an artist. Thus you complain just like everybody else who can't put up.

[TheShogunOfHarlem]

Remmak wrote...

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...

Nice work. I just don't think it would work for a Quarian. Quarians appear to have prominent noses which are clearly absent from the OP concept art. Forehead ridges or a prominent forehead reminds me too much of Klingon and all the Klingon-esque aliens introduced in Star Trek.

Honestly, most Tali/Quarian concept/fan art I have seen is generally uninspired one way (too humanoid) for those who want an attractive alien or the other (too alien) those who bothered by the concept of a humanoid looking quarian and want an alien looking quarian for the sake of having one.

I'm honestly willing to put my faith in Bioware since I really don't have any expectation.

I did these quarians for my sake, nothing else. And as I am quite happy with them, this experiment was a success. I didn't like the space elf girlie quarians, so I did something different. You don't like my quarians, but are probably not an artist. Thus you complain just like everybody else who can't put up.

It's constructive criticism!! If you are gonna take it personally and have a hissy fit then you probably shouldn't be an artist. It's not like I said it sucks or it's terrible. I actually think it's pretty good work. I just think that most work is uninspired including all the Girlie space elf artwork.  If you want to presume so much be my guest but lighten up if you want to be an artist you have to realize can't please everybody and being stubborn is probably gonna leave you an unemployed artist. 

You obviously didn't read my full post since I think that ALL Quarian concepts while aesthetically are credit to the respective artists ultimately don't work and are uninspired. My personal feeling is that those of you who have strong opinions on what you think Tali and the Quarians at large (regardless of preferred aesthetic) should look like aren't really the best people to make that call in spite of your talents. It would be like JK Rowling as her most rabid fans to inspire her on how to end the Harry Potter series.

Side note: You just contradiced yourself by referring to some other quarian designs as you did above (in a perjorative manner) as a reason for your design while at the same time saying you did this for yourself. Which is it?

[Remmak]

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...
 It's constructive criticism!! If you are gonna take it personally and have a hissy fit then you probably shouldn't be an artist. It's not like I said it sucks or it's terrible. I actually think it's pretty good work. I just think that most work is uninspired including all the Girlie space elf artwork.  If you want to presume so much be my guest but lighten up if you want to be an artist you have to realize can't please everybody and being stubborn is probably gonna leave you an unemployed artist. 

You obviously didn't read my full post since I think that ALL Quarian concepts while aesthetically are credit to the respective artists ultimately don't work and are uninspired. My personal feeling is that those of you who have strong opinions on what you think Tali and the Quarians at large (regardless of preferred aesthetic) should look like aren't really the best people to make that call in spite of your talents. It would be like JK Rowling as her most rabid fans to inspire her on how to end the Harry Potter series.

Side note: You just contradiced yourself by referring to some other quarian designs as you did above (in a perjorative manner) as a reason for your design while at the same time saying you did this for yourself. Which is it?

I didn't contradict myself. I didn't like the other designs I saw because I am female and am tired of seeing all female character devolved to 'cute' teenage girls. Since I was unhappy with this, I made my own version. A male version. My version makes me happy, and thus it was for myself.

Furthermore, nothing in that post was constructive. To be constructive is to suggest how a piece can be improved, not cast a wave of your hand and judge all non-Bioware produced art as 'uninspired'. That's what ticked me off, not the fact you don't like my piece. It's very disrespectful to *all* artists, not just me. I may not like other peoples' designs, but if they weren't inspired, they would not have created them. These are fan artists, not professionals. They aren't being paid; they are creating art because they want to.

Also, I don't care what Bioware ultimately intends to go with, I just don't like the attitude a lot of people have that a piece of art is 'wrong' because they don't like it. Same attitude as I mentioned in the previous paragraph. You not liking it does not make it wrong. I don't like those space-elf quarians, but I don't run up in their threads and tell the artists how 'incorrect' they are. I leave them be to do their thing.

And on a final note, I'm not an artist by trade. I'm a hobbyist. I am studying comp-sci for my profession. They make more money than artists and don't have to deal with a ton of strangers on the internet telling them how to do their business when that individual doesn't have the faintest what they're talking about.

Modifié par Remmak, 02 août 2011 - 04:04 .

[shenlonzero]

I always kind of saw the Quarians as space elves.

[Paula Deen]

I like it. Alien enough to be believable, but still unique and interesting in its own way.

[TheShogunOfHarlem]

Remmak wrote...

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...
 It's constructive criticism!! If you are gonna take it personally and have a hissy fit then you probably shouldn't be an artist. It's not like I said it sucks or it's terrible. I actually think it's pretty good work. I just think that most work is uninspired including all the Girlie space elf artwork.  If you want to presume so much be my guest but lighten up if you want to be an artist you have to realize can't please everybody and being stubborn is probably gonna leave you an unemployed artist. 

You obviously didn't read my full post since I think that ALL Quarian concepts while aesthetically are credit to the respective artists ultimately don't work and are uninspired. My personal feeling is that those of you who have strong opinions on what you think Tali and the Quarians at large (regardless of preferred aesthetic) should look like aren't really the best people to make that call in spite of your talents. It would be like JK Rowling as her most rabid fans to inspire her on how to end the Harry Potter series.

Side note: You just contradiced yourself by referring to some other quarian designs as you did above (in a perjorative manner) as a reason for your design while at the same time saying you did this for yourself. Which is it?

I didn't contradict myself. I didn't like the other designs I saw because I am female and am tired of seeing all female character devolved to 'cute' teenage girls. Since I was unhappy with this, I made my own version. A male version. My version makes me happy, and thus it was for myself.

Furthermore, nothing in that post was constructive. To be constructive is to suggest how a piece can be improved, not cast a wave of your hand and judge all non-Bioware produced art as 'uninspired'. That's what ticked me off, not the fact you don't like my piece. It's very disrespectful to *all* artists, not just me. I may not like other peoples' designs, but if they weren't inspired, they would not have created them. These are fan artists, not professionals. They aren't being paid; they are creating art because they want to.

Also, I don't care what Bioware ultimately intends to go with, I just don't like the attitude a lot of people have that a piece of art is 'wrong' because they don't like it. Same attitude as I mentioned in the previous paragraph. You not liking it does not make it wrong. I don't like those space-elf quarians, but I don't run up in their threads and tell the artists how 'incorrect' they are. I leave them be to do their thing.

And on a final note, I'm not an artist by trade. I'm a hobbyist. I am studying comp-sci for my profession. They make more money than artists and don't have to deal with a ton of strangers on the internet telling them how to do their business when that individual doesn't have the faintest what they're talking about.

Hmmm... More ignorant presumptions. I don't recall say that I didn't like any of the design that I have seen. (Yours included) I just think they wouldn't work plain and simple. People are wound up about what Quarians should look like that they bristle when anyone contrasts them. I personally don't like this dichotomy of Quarians should look like this (human) or that. (Alien) Creativity, is best displayed when you have no preconceptions or strong opinions. Whether it be writing or artwork or any other form creative arts. Subjectivity only hampers creativity. You might disagree but I think that being open minded helps personal creativity.   

Honestly, If you want my personal opinion (and this will sound trite) I think that a combination of Humanoid and otherworldly features. Since I honestly don't care too much I'm open to what a Quarian would look like than you I think my mind is more open. You seem to assume that I would prefer "Space Elfs" as you keep bring them up like I actually care.

This is Why I seldom ever post in these forums. Too many people who are overly passionate about things aren't really that important. Take a breath!! I am just one person just because I don't your work doesn't fit don't get all bent out of shape. At least be inquisitive and ask by what I mean by "uninspired".  Oh well I've stopped caring. I shouldn't bother with ignorant hypersensitive children.

[TheShogunOfHarlem]

shenlonzero wrote...

I always kind of saw the Quarians as space elves.

Not Me. 

[Remmak]

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...

Hmmm... More ignorant presumptions. I don't recall say that I didn't like any of the design that I have seen. (Yours included) I just think they wouldn't work plain and simple. People are wound up about what Quarians should look like that they bristle when anyone contrasts them. I personally don't like this dichotomy of Quarians should look like this (human) or that. (Alien) Creativity, is best displayed when you have no preconceptions or strong opinions. Whether it be writing or artwork or any other form creative arts. Subjectivity only hampers creativity. You might disagree but I think that being open minded helps personal creativity.   

Honestly, If you want my personal opinion (and this will sound trite) I think that a combination of Humanoid and otherworldly features. Since I honestly don't care too much I'm open to what a Quarian would look like than you I think my mind is more open. You seem to assume that I would prefer "Space Elfs" as you keep bring them up like I actually care.

This is Why I seldom ever post in these forums. Too many people who are overly passionate about things aren't really that important. Take a breath!! I am just one person just because I don't your work doesn't fit don't get all bent out of shape. At least be inquisitive and ask by what I mean by "uninspired".  Oh well I've stopped caring. I shouldn't bother with ignorant hypersensitive children.

The other guy who said something I didn't like backed out also. They don't call me Rem the Mighty because I'm a push-over.

The only assumption I made was that you are not an artist. Is this false?

More to the point, you're still missing both my motivation for my work and my issue with your post. I didn't create the quarians I did so much because I care what they look like as I did because I'm a feminist. I used to be like you, where I could nothing but give unsolicited opinions about things, but I wanted more. So I learned to draw and am currently learning 3-d modeling. Because I can do those things now, I combat what I see as sexism in gaming by providing alternative interpretations to various subjects, including artistic renderings. That is constructive, unlike your post and the ranting ones I used to make when I was younger. Instead of talking about it, I am becoming it.

What bothers me about your post is the flaming ego coming off of it, not your opinion on my art in particular. "Uninspired" being thrown around by someone who can't even put up their own idea of what a quarian should look like after so many artists have put time and effort into their pieces.  Pfft.

I tell you what. There is a very easy way to prove me wrong about you not being an artist and having some more substance to you than your opinion. You may take anyone of my drawings or renderings (I'll even provide high-res) and you can paint on top of them and show me exactly what you think is wrong and how it could be improved. I'm not insulting you or getting 'bent out of shape'. I'm pushing you to do something.

I believe earlier this post I said I was angry. And I am. I am mad as hell, but I've focused that to do something useful. Maybe you could push yourself to do the same.

[RocketManSR2]

Remmak, if BioWare is working half as hard as you've been creating your vision of the quarians, ME3 will be something special indeed. Btw, I checked out your site, I hope you're feeling better.

[Remmak]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Remmak, if BioWare is working half as hard as you've been creating your vision of the quarians, ME3 will be something special indeed. Btw, I checked out your site, I hope you're feeling better.

Bioware has one of the best art teams in the business and I have a lot of faith in them. Not only do the turian and drell designs absolutely blow me away, but they were excellently sculpted and textured. I can only hope that I will one day reach that level of achievement. It is very distinctive and worthy work.

And thank you for visiting my blog. I've got some chronic medical issues that flare up from time to time and having a cold on top if it is the pits, but I am going along like always. Thank you for your concern. <3

Modifié par Remmak, 02 août 2011 - 07:06 .

[TheShogunOfHarlem]

Remmak wrote...

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...

Hmmm... More ignorant presumptions. I don't recall say that I didn't like any of the design that I have seen. (Yours included) I just think they wouldn't work plain and simple. People are wound up about what Quarians should look like that they bristle when anyone contrasts them. I personally don't like this dichotomy of Quarians should look like this (human) or that. (Alien) Creativity, is best displayed when you have no preconceptions or strong opinions. Whether it be writing or artwork or any other form creative arts. Subjectivity only hampers creativity. You might disagree but I think that being open minded helps personal creativity.   

Honestly, If you want my personal opinion (and this will sound trite) I think that a combination of Humanoid and otherworldly features. Since I honestly don't care too much I'm open to what a Quarian would look like than you I think my mind is more open. You seem to assume that I would prefer "Space Elfs" as you keep bring them up like I actually care.

This is Why I seldom ever post in these forums. Too many people who are overly passionate about things aren't really that important. Take a breath!! I am just one person just because I don't your work doesn't fit don't get all bent out of shape. At least be inquisitive and ask by what I mean by "uninspired".  Oh well I've stopped caring. I shouldn't bother with ignorant hypersensitive children.

The other guy who said something I didn't like backed out also. They don't call me Rem the Mighty because I'm a push-over.

The only assumption I made was that you are not an artist. Is this false?

More to the point, you're still missing both my motivation for my work and my issue with your post. I didn't create the quarians I did so much because I care what they look like as I did because I'm a feminist. I used to be like you, where I could nothing but give unsolicited opinions about things, but I wanted more. So I learned to draw and am currently learning 3-d modeling. Because I can do those things now, I combat what I see as sexism in gaming by providing alternative interpretations to various subjects, including artistic renderings. That is constructive, unlike your post and the ranting ones I used to make when I was younger. Instead of talking about it, I am becoming it.

What bothers me about your post is the flaming ego coming off of it, not your opinion on my art in particular. "Uninspired" being thrown around by someone who can't even put up their own idea of what a quarian should look like after so many artists have put time and effort into their pieces.  Pfft.

I tell you what. There is a very easy way to prove me wrong about you not being an artist and having some more substance to you than your opinion. You may take anyone of my drawings or renderings (I'll even provide high-res) and you can paint on top of them and show me exactly what you think is wrong and how it could be improved. I'm not insulting you or getting 'bent out of shape'. I'm pushing you to do something.

I believe earlier this post I said I was angry. And I am. I am mad as hell, but I've focused that to do something useful. Maybe you could push yourself to do the same.

I'm back finally. (Work got in the way) To clarify my uninspired comment further, (just so there is no misunderstanding) my meaning shouldn't be taken too much as an insult but at the same time I should have clarified my meaning. Most Tali/Quarian I felt were unoriginal. The Humanoid concept were obviously unoriginal since using a human face as a model for an alien species while tried and true has been done to death in Sci Fi Alien concepts. My opinion of your design is that they reminded me too much of a more detailed Grey Alien design. (More Specifically the Greys from "Fire in the Sky") Greys are the epitomy of everything that is alien. They are a part pop culture. So what!?!

Having said that, It is hard to be original in writing, artwork or any creative medium. Thats just the the way it is. Being unorginal is hardly an insult nor was my intention to insult. On the other hand get off you high horse! Your elitist art snob attitude is hardly helping whatever point you are trying to make. Art is hardly the most difficult thing to understand on Earth (not to knock artists but lets be real here) The Nature of Politics and Quantum physics are probably a whole lot more difficult. This whole "you don't get it" mentality is a weak sauce defense mechanism to rub bruised egos. Tone it down and just have a civilized chat about art/ creature design.

Being a film enthusiast and a lover a creature design, (Some of my favorites creature effects designers Rob Bottin, the Late Stan Winston, and H.R. Giger) The most original creature design has been the Alien concept design by Giger. I love his work.

I honestly wouldn't touch other people's artwork at all. I Think it's fine as it is. I just don't agree with as a concept for a Quarian. If I had the know how and time I would post my own design but I don't so I can only quickly give a basic description: The Eye position that we see through the opaque mask always made think that they might resemble felines in some respect as far a eye positioning on the face. Hair or no hair would be the next issue. I would opt for hair simply because hairless aliens have been done to death in ME. However, hair should probably be of a different composition to human hair. (perhaps more consistent with feathers) Other than Having a seemingly prominent nose and cat like eyes, you can honestly go nuts with other features. I'd rather be ambiguous with my very basic desciption since in my mind I am very open to what I would like to see.

Bioware has talented artist out there and I honestly think at least they won't disappoint me since I have no expectations on what Quarians should look like. What bugs me is that people are so wound tight about what Quarians should look like that they are setting themselves up for disappointment regardless of which direction they go. Granted I would be disappointed if it follows that very humanoid Quarian concept that's been proliferating the net. 

[Shadhavar]

Wouldn't be opposed if they did something similiar to this

http://neatnik2009.f...of-stars-04.jpg

[Requiem of Faith]

 


or even...

[CorporateGiant]

i am soooo in lov with tali. i want to see her beautiful face.
in other words, i approve

[CorporateGiant]

i just scrolled to the end and i saw ur rendtion of tali, faith and .....

Just...

u made me love her even more.
Thankyou.

[arne1234]

Nice, you know this sort of threads and the people who keep designing different alien faces is to me the only good reason on why the developers left out the quarian faces.

[Requiem of Faith]

CorporateGiant wrote...

i just scrolled to the end and i saw ur rendtion of tali, faith and .....

Just...

u made me love her even more.
Thankyou.

Lol no problem. Just help me support this artist's work for Quarian face model. 

[salomi7]

JukeFrog wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

What they should have done is nipped this stupid situation in the bud by revealing Tali's face in ME2, before it turned into this huge epic crisis they're apparently incapable of dealing with.

I agree. They should have revealed her face when people's expectations were lower. BW screwed themselves by waiting till the last game of the series, when the fans' excitement/anxiety is at it's highest.

Thats why they didn't do it. That's marketing 101. When expectations are lower theres no need to reveal it. You wait until enough people talk about it, get the expectations up there enough so you can release. What was the incentive to revealing her face when no talks about it. You wait until it is a bigger deal among the fans and then reveal it. 

I will say i would be pretty disappointed if they having at least had an idea for the Quarian face.