For the record, I think Bioware planned to use Hawke as the protagonist in Dragon Age 3. However, given the...mixed feelings...about Hawke (which I think are mostly unfounded, except the voice acting wasn't the best in places), I think this is rather less likely now.
However, given hints at the endgame about the Warden and Hawke being somehow involved (not in a sexual manner), I wonder, if they choose to bring back the Warden, if Hawke could just become a party member? After all, there's a ton of data by the end of DA2 to import (basic personality, decisions made, romantic companion, etc). So Hawke could show up with his or her love interest in tow, and add a whole different aspect to the game. It would be...interesting...if Hawke brings along Anders, or Fenris if the Warden was Dalish, perhaps even Isabella if the Warden had a threesome with her.
The inverse, in contrast, I think would be almost impossible to do. I think the Warden could not be NPC-ized without pissing off absolutely everyone.
Thoughts?
Hawke as the Warden's companion in DA3?
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 02:35
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If we play the Warden again and Hawke comes back as a companion, I swear I will make sure he never leaves camp.
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 02:38
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alex90c wrote...
If we play the Warden again and Hawke comes back as a companion, I swear I will make sure he never leaves camp.
Maybe for the haters they could give the option of stealing away Hawke's love interest, and just generally pissing him off?
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 02:49
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Bioware said that VO is in; I would bet a very large sum of money the Warden never appears in-game. More generally, you'll find the fanbase (independent of DA2) is very split on whether Bioware should destroy the character of the Warden even more by forcing the Warden to be a protagonist.
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 02:53
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I don't quite see the Wardens' interest in the Circle/Chantry conflict.
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 02:57
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alex90c wrote...
If we play the Warden again and Hawke comes back as a companion, I swear I will make sure he never leaves camp.
This.
Even if I would need Hawke for final battle, I won't waste an ounce of time on Hawke. Unless of course I'm forced to.
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 02:59
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In Exile wrote...
Bioware said that VO is in; I would bet a very large sum of money the Warden never appears in-game. More generally, you'll find the fanbase (independent of DA2) is very split on whether Bioware should destroy the character of the Warden even more by forcing the Warden to be a protagonist.
not really.
the idea of the warden returning gets a mixed reception HERE, but this isn't the hole internet, and i'm sure BioWare recollects feedback from other places as well, and i have A LOT of people asking for the warden returning, far more than i have seen people saying he/she shouldn't.
the feelings for DA2 are rather very mixed here, as you can tell by seeing how there are many people who prefer DA2 or put it on par with Origins(you won't find this many supporters of the game in practially any other place), even the people who prefer Origins still outnumbers the ones who don't.
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 03:13
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Regardless of how you might feel, Hawke is a protagonist in his/her right - and more importantly, one that is shaped by the player. It would not be possible to bring back Hawke as an NPC without altering many people's vision of him/her, which would be a bad thing.
Personally, I really don't want either back. Dragon Age is supposed to be about Thedas and the struggles within it and not about any one character specifically. I'd prefer it if someone new entered the playing field.
Personally, I really don't want either back. Dragon Age is supposed to be about Thedas and the struggles within it and not about any one character specifically. I'd prefer it if someone new entered the playing field.
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 03:19
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NO. My Warden made the US, and Hawke should be burned at the stake. Bioware wants my dollars for DA3, they better move on to a new story, and this time without the severe gameplay story segregation.
Modifié par Reaverwind, 12 juillet 2011 - 03:22 .
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 03:19
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I have often thought it might be interesting to play two entirely separate parties that appear to be working different storylines but as they progress, the storylines integrate so that both parties end up in the same final battle. It would undoubtedly be very costly to design and develop because both protags would need complete sets of companions, etc., but it could be truly epic.
Remember the final sequence in DAO, where at one point you were shifted back to the companions you had left to guard the city gates and controlled them through some battles? That is an example of what I have in mind. Party A would progess their storyline to some point where the player would then be shifted to Party B, etc.
It would open up a lot of role-playing questions and issues, i.e., would the player's knowledge of what Party A has experienced impact the choices they make with Party B? Should Party A be aware of the existence and activities of Party B? At what point would they become aware of each other? Imagine the meeting where you are actually choosing dialogue for both protags, controlling both sides of the conversation.
It would probably be easier to do this with two already known protags, like the Warden and Hawke, because they could bring in some of the existing companions and LIs instead of developing a completely new set.
It would be pretty difficult to pull off successfully, but it could be oh so epic if they did.
ETA: At this point, BioWare is undoubtedly looking at sales figures and looking for ways to increase sales of the next installment in this franchise. The audience wanting a return of the HoF is not insignificant, and any other protagonist will likely receive a mixed reception and therefore probably be more risky. The other obvious difference between DAO and DA2 is a save-the-world story versus a personal and ultimately deconstructive type of story. It will be interesting to see what conclusions they draw and where they go from here.
Remember the final sequence in DAO, where at one point you were shifted back to the companions you had left to guard the city gates and controlled them through some battles? That is an example of what I have in mind. Party A would progess their storyline to some point where the player would then be shifted to Party B, etc.
It would open up a lot of role-playing questions and issues, i.e., would the player's knowledge of what Party A has experienced impact the choices they make with Party B? Should Party A be aware of the existence and activities of Party B? At what point would they become aware of each other? Imagine the meeting where you are actually choosing dialogue for both protags, controlling both sides of the conversation.
It would probably be easier to do this with two already known protags, like the Warden and Hawke, because they could bring in some of the existing companions and LIs instead of developing a completely new set.
It would be pretty difficult to pull off successfully, but it could be oh so epic if they did.
ETA: At this point, BioWare is undoubtedly looking at sales figures and looking for ways to increase sales of the next installment in this franchise. The audience wanting a return of the HoF is not insignificant, and any other protagonist will likely receive a mixed reception and therefore probably be more risky. The other obvious difference between DAO and DA2 is a save-the-world story versus a personal and ultimately deconstructive type of story. It will be interesting to see what conclusions they draw and where they go from here.
Modifié par Pasquale1234, 12 juillet 2011 - 03:44 .
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 03:21
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mitchhunter wrote...
I don't quite see the Wardens' interest in the Circle/Chantry conflict.
My Warden is a mage
. However, as the Wardens look at themselves as the de facto guardians of Thedas, and this conflict affects all of Thedas, they do have an interest in it. I'd wager that within the Wardens opinions on involvement are probably split between people who think they should maintain their "neutrality" (which is sometimes laughable, as we saw in DAO), or pick a side for the good of the world.
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 03:26
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No. No Hawke Please. One game is enough.
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 03:40
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A Amell Warden/Hawke team-up would be interesting. ' A'
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 03:45
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Normally, I would say a character that could have died in the first game would not return in a sequel. But, since there are two characters from DA:O and DA:A who can return from the dead in DA2, that line of thinking doesn't apply here.
I really hope Hawke doesn't return in DA3. I don't care about the VA, but I found the character to be boring.
As far as the Warden, I can't see him/her returning, especially if the Warden was a male who followed Morrigan in WH.
Maybe DA3 should star a new protagonist and focus on the OGB storyline. When Morrigan and Flemeth talked about "change," I always thought they meant the OGB changing the world, not some lame Templar/Mage war.
I really hope Hawke doesn't return in DA3. I don't care about the VA, but I found the character to be boring.
As far as the Warden, I can't see him/her returning, especially if the Warden was a male who followed Morrigan in WH.
Maybe DA3 should star a new protagonist and focus on the OGB storyline. When Morrigan and Flemeth talked about "change," I always thought they meant the OGB changing the world, not some lame Templar/Mage war.
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 03:57
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As the above said, Bioware have no issues re-attaching Leliana's head, so there isn't really an issue bringing back the Warden if Bioware wanted to. Which I don't think they do. So long as the protaganist isn't Hawke though, I'll be alright.
Though I would prefer the return of the Warden.
Though I would prefer the return of the Warden.
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 04:10
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I wouldn't really mind the warden not returning (though it would be nice), I just never ever EVER want to see Hawke again. It's bad enough they're tainting the Grey Wardens by linking Hawke to them (seriously ... why?), we don't need the Warden getting ruined by direct association too.
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 04:57
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alex90c wrote...
I wouldn't really mind the warden not returning (though it would be nice), I just never ever EVER want to see Hawke again. It's bad enough they're tainting the Grey Wardens by linking Hawke to them (seriously ... why?), we don't need the Warden getting ruined by direct association too.
Sadly enough i think they trying to do this connection to make all the ppl who hate Hawke to start to have some kind of simpathy for the bastard.
Unfortunately that didn't worked for me.
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 05:09
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Aren't companions supposed to have a personality? Even if Hawke was likeable or well-written, the lack of a stable personality/appearance/gender would almost certainly write him/her off as a companion. You'd just need too many resources to capture the six+ possible permutations of nice/"funny"/dick x male/female players would import from their DA2 playthrough.
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 05:20
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migang wrote...
alex90c wrote...
I wouldn't really mind the warden not returning (though it would be nice), I just never ever EVER want to see Hawke again. It's bad enough they're tainting the Grey Wardens by linking Hawke to them (seriously ... why?), we don't need the Warden getting ruined by direct association too.
Sadly enough i think they trying to do this connection to make all the ppl who hate Hawke to start to have some kind of simpathy for the bastard.
Unfortunately that didn't worked for me.
Totally agree with this, while it makes sense for Hawke to be in DA2 DLC, I want a new protagonist for DA3, especially after Bioware said DA isnt about a particular character its about the world when they ditched the warden for Hawke
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 05:22
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would be of no interest to me as i fundamentally don't like Hawke
not to mention how easy it would be to play a warden and hawke that would be completely at odds with each other would a Dalish warden really team up with a guy who murdered half of his clan and allowed a childhood friend to practice blood magic? there's to many cases were it wouldn't work for this to happen imo.
and i dont think bioware will let the franchise move back to a silent protagonist so i doub the warden will be coming back
not to mention how easy it would be to play a warden and hawke that would be completely at odds with each other would a Dalish warden really team up with a guy who murdered half of his clan and allowed a childhood friend to practice blood magic? there's to many cases were it wouldn't work for this to happen imo.
and i dont think bioware will let the franchise move back to a silent protagonist so i doub the warden will be coming back
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 05:52
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Maybe if Hawke asks really nicely, the Warden will clean up the poo storm Hawke created by not killing a certain mage the minute he started glowing.
But add my vote to the chorus of those who would prefer never to see Hawke again in any capacity.
But add my vote to the chorus of those who would prefer never to see Hawke again in any capacity.
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 06:36
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migang wrote...
alex90c wrote...
I wouldn't really mind the warden not returning (though it would be nice), I just never ever EVER want to see Hawke again. It's bad enough they're tainting the Grey Wardens by linking Hawke to them (seriously ... why?), we don't need the Warden getting ruined by direct association too.
Sadly enough i think they trying to do this connection to make all the ppl who hate Hawke to start to have some kind of simpathy for the bastard.
Unfortunately that didn't worked for me.
Seeing his stupid face on the Legacy trailer didn't endear me to him either
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 06:42
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Addai67 wrote...
Maybe if Hawke asks really nicely, the Warden will clean up the poo storm Hawke created by not killing a certain mage the minute he started glowing.
But add my vote to the chorus of those who would prefer never to see Hawke again in any capacity.
seconded
i don't mind if i don't see the warden (although if i do, i would definetely like it), but i don't want to see Hawke EVER again.
