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[Eddo36]

This is different from my other topic in this forum in that I'm talking about VS in ME situation specifically. Since you picked to save your LI instead of another and get in that person's pants shortly after you doomed the other person. No remorse over that? I'm feeling it. Wonder if there are consequences for it in ME3, whether it be karma or somethin else.

Modifié par Eddo36, 13 juillet 2011 - 12:58 .

[Eddo36]

Which is kinda why you're not supposed to "do it" with your soldiers, and keep doing it more after that situation. How does the saved LI feel that you picked that person over the other to get into pants right after? More importantly, how does your Shep feel?

Modifié par Eddo36, 12 juillet 2011 - 03:57 .

[Eddo36]

They already got over that tragic event long before Horizon, when they were banging it on the way to Ilos. No morals.

Modifié par Eddo36, 12 juillet 2011 - 04:20 .

[l DryIce l]

There's guilt either way. If you hadn't chose your LI, there would still be guilt (possibly more). In the Virmire situation, there's not a right option. There were pros and cons to each decision; it could be debated endlessly.

[Eddo36]

Less guilt if love wasn't involved, no?

[l DryIce l]

Eddo36 wrote...

They already got over that tragic event long before Horizon, when they were banging it on the way to Ilos.

Woah, woah, woah. Just because Shepard romanced them, doesn't mean anyone is "over" it. A decision like that is something that's going to stay with you forever. 

[Sshodan]

No, no guilt - I did not know that one of them will not survive when I made the digestion (I had no info in Mass Effect 1 before playing it), so I based my decisions on logic, that I still abide by even when not romancing VS.
I always send Kaiden with the bomb because he is a tech specialist, and Ash with the salarians since they may use a good soldier in armor in a firefight.
And I always go after the bomb because the mission depends on it going off, if the site is compromised the mission will fail, so it is purely logic to me. No guilt.

Modifié par Sshodan, 12 juillet 2011 - 04:24 .

[Eddo36]

Sshodan wrote...

No, no guilt - I did not know that one of them will not survive when I made the digestion (I had no info in Mass Effect 1 before playing it), so I based my decisions on logic, that I still abide by even when not romancing VS.
I always sand Kaiden with the bomb because he is a tech specialist, and Ash with the salarians since they may use a good soldier in armor in a firefight.
And I always go after the bomb because the mission depends on it going off, if the site is compromised the mission will fail, so it is purely logic to me. No guilt.

And what about those Ash lovers? Has their love for Ash clouded their judgement that their Shep saves her instead of making this logical decision?

Modifié par Eddo36, 12 juillet 2011 - 04:25 .

[l DryIce l]

Eddo36 wrote...

Less guilt if love wasn't involved, no?

Depends on the person. One of the posters above had no guilt at all, since the decision was a purely logical one. Personally, I don't feel guilty, since I know one of them had to go. I felt that both were equally of use to the mission, so I just pick whoever I like better. Sometimes it's Kaidan, and sometimes it's Ashley. 

I would feel guilty had their deaths been my fault. I didn't think they were; so there's not much guilt for me. 

[Funkcase]

They are soliders, you learn to adapt and move on. Shepard got over Jenkins very quickly too. Besides, they both volunteered, both of them were willing to give there life so the other might live.

Modifié par Funkcase, 12 juillet 2011 - 04:28 .

[Sshodan]

@ Eddo36
Well they have it harder I guess. I never could bring myself to change that decision no matter if my Shep was male or female, because for me it's the right one logically, and anything else would make me feel guilty, that's true.
Ash will forever remain to me a "good friend who did not make it" - it adds character to the story, but is hard on the player if she was romanced I guess.

[l DryIce l]

Eddo36 wrote...

Sshodan wrote...

No, no guilt - I did not know that one of them will not survive when I made the digestion (I had no info in Mass Effect 1 before playing it), so I based my decisions on logic, that I still abide by even when not romancing VS.
I always sand Kaiden with the bomb because he is a tech specialist, and Ash with the salarians since they may use a good soldier in armor in a firefight.
And I always go after the bomb because the mission depends on it going off, if the site is compromised the mission will fail, so it is purely logic to me. No guilt.

And what about those Ash lovers? Has their love for Ash clouded their judgement that their Shep saves her instead of making this logical decision?

It very well could have, but it seems that you're assuming that Kaidan was the logical decision. Many arguments can be made for saving either one, as both Ashley and Kaidan have different skill sets, and both are valuable to the team. 

[SnakeStrike8]

Funkcase wrote...

They are soliders, you learn to adapt and move on. Shepard got over Jenkins very quickly too. Besides, they both volunteered, both of them were willing to give there life so the other might live.

This. I disliked the bits from both games that would make others point fingers of guilt at Shepard for leaving 'one of his squad' behind at Virmire. Just once, I'd like the option to say: "I ordered almost all my men into the teeth of the enemy guns to give the Batarians the business on Torfan. Spare me the guilt trip."

[Eddo36]

Funkcase wrote...

They are soliders, you learn to adapt and move on. Shepard got over Jenkins very quickly too. Besides, they both volunteered, both of them were willing to give there life so the other might live.

Well you have to account for the fact that Jenkins wasn't a LI. Which is really the point of this topic.

Modifié par Eddo36, 12 juillet 2011 - 04:33 .

[demonic_cookie]

I, personally, as a player, feel no guilt, because I mainly play the game for the NPC interaction If we're talking about the character, it depends on the playthrough and the character. A lot do, some don't. There is a completely celibate Shep who did everything right and according to logic but still feels responsible for leaving Ash behind.

Then again, there's a difference between guilt and responsibility, as Mordin aptly noted. If giving an order that gets people killed doesn't eat at you just a little, I think it's a sign something's wrong.

[Sshodan]

@ l DryIce l
We all have different assessment, but for me it was always clear that a rear powerful biotic officer is much harder to replace than a regular soldier. Just look at the placment in the begining of the game:
Kaiden - on Normandy, doing the most important tasks for Alliance on the elite team and ultra new ship.
Ash - "a paradise planet where nothing can go wrong" with people who only served their time to open a resonant afterwards. Eden Prime is a present assignment without any perspective. It requires good people that will help keep the rodents away, break up an occasional fight and look good on TV broadcasts about "how awesomely safe and prosperous we are"
I do not say that Ash lacks potential, it is possible that it's her family issues that landed her there, but she is still not a biotic - thous are rear and valuable.
So again it is a logical decision for me again.

[Eddo36]

demonic_cookie wrote...

Then again, there's a difference between guilt and responsibility, as Mordin aptly noted. If giving an order that gets people killed doesn't eat at you just a little, I think it's a sign something's wrong.

This isn't about ordering people to get killed. It's about ordering people to get killed because you love someone else.

[l DryIce l]

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWhIi05jrk4&feature=related#t=1m53s

Can always count on Mordin.

[l DryIce l]

Sshodan wrote...

@ l DryIce l
We all have different assessment, but for me it was always clear that a rear powerful biotic officer is much harder to replace than a regular soldier. Just look at the placment in the begining of the game:
Kaiden - on Normandy, doing the most important tasks for Alliance on the elite team and ultra new ship.
Ash - "a paradise planet where nothing can go wrong" with people who only served their time to open a resonant afterwards. Eden Prime is a present assignment without any perspective. It requires good people that will help keep the rodents away, break up an occasional fight and look good on TV broadcasts about "how awesomely safe and prosperous we are"
I do not say that Ash lacks potential, it is possible that it's her family issues that landed her there, but she is still not a biotic - thous are rear and valuable.
So again it is a logical decision for me again.

That's a perfectly valid point. But what if Shepard is a biotic. You also have Liara and Wrex, both good biotics. If you need a strong soldier on the team, then suddenly Ashley becomes the logical decision. It depends completely on the player, as you said. 

Modifié par l DryIce l, 12 juillet 2011 - 04:47 .

[l DryIce l]

Eddo36 wrote...

demonic_cookie wrote...

Then again, there's a difference between guilt and responsibility, as Mordin aptly noted. If giving an order that gets people killed doesn't eat at you just a little, I think it's a sign something's wrong.

This isn't about ordering people to get killed. It's about ordering people to get killed because you love someone else.

What's the problem with this if the decision must be made, and it's not Shepard's fault that the decision had to be made? 

[Eddo36]

l DryIce l wrote...



What's the problem with this if the decision must be made, and it's not Shepard's fault that the decision had to be made? 

Not Shep's fault the decision must be made. It's making the decision itself.

[Sshodan]

@ l DryIce l
No one bits Wrex in soldering department My Shep was a biotic btw. Wrex & Garrus are my favorite tactical pair so on need for extra soldiers.
And I would feel gulty if I allowed someone survive simply becouse I usually squad with them.

Modifié par Sshodan, 12 juillet 2011 - 04:55 .