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[Eddo36]

Going a bit off-topic here, but Kaiden does have a headache generator due to L2 implant that may make him a liability, especially in bomb arming.

Modifié par Eddo36, 12 juillet 2011 - 05:11 .

[fighterchick]

Do I feel remorse? No, it's a video game and it made more sense anyways. I saved Kaidan and it wasn't only about the romance. He is also of a higher rank than Ashley and I always play a soldier Shep. I don't need another soldier on the squad and I never used her as a character. I enjoyed having conversations with her on the Normandy, but she was pretty useless to me for fighting, I preferred that Kaidan had biotics that I actually used on occasion. I also sent him with the Salarians, who were with him when I was forced to make a choice. Ashley set the bomb against an order, then I had to choose who to save. Do I go back to the bomb that was set and drag the entire Normandy there, or do I go and save Kaiden, who is also with a bunch of Salarians?

[Sshodan]

@ Eddo36
We get a chance to talk to his personal doctor, if you recall - yes he has health issues, but so do all people, believe it or not - some have old injuries, bad knees, blood pressure issues, migraines and the list goes on. If the problem can be kept under control medically without to much complications than a person can continue active duty.
It's a doctors decision, and if our team doctor says he is fine for action, than he is fine for action - I trust her to do the job.
Headaches as you may know is a minor problem in comparison to what L2 implants usually do to biotic, although L2 are more powerful than L3, which are safer. A stable L2 biotic is even more rare and valuable than the L3 one.

[mineralica]

My first playthrough was with male Infiltrator who romanced Liara and dragged her and Tali (well, I love caster class squadmates, because casters are more resistant to idiotic AI) everywhere. Shepard was pretty neutral to both candidates, I as player loved Kaidan's personality only slightly more... so it really was "Gunnery Chief or Staff Lieutenant?". Kaidan was saved easily.

And second playthrough was what later became my canon - Vanguard who romanced Kaidan, Kaidan/Wrex squad. And despite that after talking more with Kaidan and now really loving his personality, despite finding my ideal casting character, despite saving LI - leaving Ashley behind was harder. There always was thought "You're biased, hence dooming really nice character not to see future games". There always is remorse about possible last Ashley's thoughts about why she was left. There always was that comm scene where Kaidan questions and Shepard should choose between hurting his feelings - "I chose mission, not you" or leaving him with hell of a portion of survivor's guilt - "I'll never leave you behind, and you know it" (oh, that's rare case when I'm GLAD neutral option is present).
Oh, haven't I said that I hate Virmire? Luckily similar situation in ME2 - Miranda/Jack and Tali/Legion conflicts - might be resolved without losing anyone

[xZitx]

The first time I played I sent Kaidan with the salarian and Shley guarded the bomb because I thought, as my squadmate would lead a team, that they would need someone who has a bit of experience in military things. Kaidan is Lt., Ashley is Gunnery Chief (I think)....I did not know anyone had to die and over the radio the sitiuation of Kaidan sounded a lot more urgent...well...that was hell of a surprise when Ash died...So it was not because of the romance!

[knightnblu]

This is an interesting question, and one that I have thought about, but never posted on. I Williams to the Salarians on Vrmire and Alenko to arm to bomb because I thought that their talents would make them most suited to the job.

When Alenko was attacked by Geth reinforcements and Williams and the Salarians were pinned down with a nuke ticking down, I made the decision to save Ashley not because she was my LI, but because that was where the most lives were in jeopardy. Had Williams been arming the nuke, she would have died on Vrmire because I would have make the same decision. Personal feelings and emotional entanglement have no place in tactical decisions. You do what you have to do to get the job done and keep as many people alive as you can. Fraternization does not prevent making a sound decision, but it can greatly magnify the difficulty of them and place great stress on the commander and any relationships involved with that decision. Just because you understand the tactical necessity of that decision does not mean that the other person will.

I think that a taste of the downside of fraternizing is coming in ME3 if Horizon is any kind of an indicator.

[BatmanPWNS]

Well I feel guilty for killing Kaidan just to have my Shepard bang Ash in bed.

[Eddo36]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Well I feel guilty for killing Kaidan just to have my Shepard bang Ash in bed.

Same. I'm sure nearly everyone (with a few exceptions) opts for saving who they like better, rather than tactical insight. Or have their "tactical insight" biased a little bit.

[Trakarg]

I feel guilty that I couldn't leave them both there.

Just kidding.  Sort of.

But I almost always kill Ashley off.  She killed Wrex in my first game.  Hated her ever since.

[PMC65]

No guilt over Virmire ... as I have said in other threads, I focus on the bomb. Mission is to blow the base to kingdom come so my Shepard always goes back to the bomb. The person with the bomb is saved ... and that person is always picked by a flip of a coin.

I have lost an LI once as a result but I just can't see any of my Shepards letting personal feelings get in the way. Besides, I really do like both characters so I wish that I didn't have to leave anyone.  

[ladyvader]

Trakarg wrote...

I feel guilty that I couldn't leave them both there.

Just kidding.  Sort of.

But I almost always kill Ashley off.  She killed Wrex in my first game.  Hated her ever since.

Never had Wrex get killed in any of my games, but I have let both die on Virmire in different games.  I tried to keep them evenly.  I have six different Shepards from ME1, half are with Liara, one with Ash, one with Kaidan, and one single to hook up with Tali in ME2.  The only faithful Shepards are the ones with either Liara or Tali.  And even one of my Sheps with Liara was a tool and hooked up with Garrus, but went back to Liara later.  

I don't feel gulity about being with Ash or Kaidan.  Just enjoy life is what my Sheps think.

[jeweledleah]

one of my favorite episodes of "Star Trek Voyager" http://memory-alpha....ki/Latent_Image involves the triage situation where the doctor has to save 2 people, but only has time to save one. He chooses the one he was personally closer to and is then wracked with guilt over it to the point of being unable to function. and part of the problem is that even if he had saved another crew member, he would have felt guilty for letting a friend die. no one is blaming him for making a choice that he did. no one but he himself.

Virmire is a situation where you have to make the hardest choice a commander could make. you have to chose who lives and who dies. and there really isn't a right decision. you make that choice, and you learn to live with it, you deal with inevitable guilt and you get over it. you have to. whether you romance them or not is only a small part of it.

[Ryzaki]

My Shepard felt guilty. But the mission came first.

He made sure to personally break the news to Ash's family as well as telling them that Ash died saving the galaxy.

[Eddo36]

Ryzaki wrote...

My Shepard felt guilty. But the mission came first.

He made sure to personally break the news to Ash's family as well as telling them that Ash died saving the galaxy.

And your Shep also didn't get to do her.

[PrinceLionheart]

To paraphrase Ricky Smiley; we made love, in the memory of my boy Kaidan.

[Ryzaki]

Eddo36 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

My Shepard felt guilty. But the mission came first.

He made sure to personally break the news to Ash's family as well as telling them that Ash died saving the galaxy.

And your Shep also didn't get to do her.

My Shep wasn't interested in doing her.

The who was saved her. But he didn't know Kaidan that well anyway so he had very little guilt. (not to mention he had Ash at the bomb site and...well mission comes first).

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 juillet 2011 - 11:56 .

[ADLegend21]

Nope, though my canons are naming their first children after the dead VS.

[Eddo36]

Ryzaki wrote...

My Shep wasn't interested in doing her.

Well was just talking about those who made VS into LI.

Modifié par Eddo36, 12 juillet 2011 - 11:58 .

[ladyvader]

Eddo36 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

My Shepard felt guilty. But the mission came first.

He made sure to personally break the news to Ash's family as well as telling them that Ash died saving the galaxy.

And your Shep also didn't get to do her.

You do know that some did kill off their LI at Virmire.  And no, they didn't get with her or Kaidan.  That just freed them up to hook up with someone else later.

[Ryzaki]

Eddo36 wrote...
Well was just talking about those who made VS into LI.

But the one who did romance her (you snipped that part of the post for some reason. My Shep referred to my main. )  didn't save her because she was his LI. (they weren't serious at that point in his eye anyway) he saved her because she happened to be at the bomb and it was his job to make sure it goes off. Her being saved was just an unexpected benefit.

...Huh. The Shepard who romanced her was pretty cold now that I think about it.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 juillet 2011 - 12:47 .

[Eddo36]

Yes, that coldness bothered me, hence this topic.

ladyvader wrote...

Eddo36 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

My Shepard felt guilty. But the mission came first.

He made sure to personally break the news to Ash's family as well as telling them that Ash died saving the galaxy.

And your Shep also didn't get to do her.

You do know that some did kill off their LI at Virmire.  And no, they didn't get with her or Kaidan.  That just freed them up to hook up with someone else later.

And the ones who made LI? Again point of this topic.

[rapscallioness]

Eddo36 wrote...

They already got over that tragic event long before Horizon, when they were banging it on the way to Ilos. No morals.

lol!

But..I mean, if had it my way, both woulda gotten out. however, since i was forced to choose, i chose my LI. (and not to mention that in my first playthru, Ash shot my boy Wrex in the back....i was ready to kill her myself right then).

And the LI (kaidan) did feel guilty about it. He was talking about it in the mtg. right after the mission.

There was no good choice. And yes, my Shep felt bad about Ash. really. But yes, I did bang him.

Would I have chosen to save Ash if Kaidan had not been my LI?  No. KAidan..I believe... was a higher rank; more experience; and more varied in combat. Ash was a good soldier, but that was it.

[rapscallioness]

However, if both Ash and Kaidan were of equal "value" to my soldier class Shep....I still woulda picked Kaidan to rescue. I'm not leaving my Boo to get nuked. Sorry. It ain't happening. I didn't like losing Ash. I didn't like that at all (in 1st playthru I accidentally killed my LI. I thought since I was closer to Ash, I'd snatch her up real quick, then swing out to get Kaidan...pffft. Lost Wrex and Kaidan in 1st playthru. It was awful. Just awful). In saving Kaidan, who was arming the bomb, I also saved Kirrahe and Rentola and a few other of the STG's...so all things considered, I thinnk it was a good choice.

But then Kaidan also gets 1st pick of wateva choice bits of armor and weapons he can use...after Shep, that is. Hey.....

[Eddo36]

Well you got to keep in mind that officers are not better than enlisted. They're apples and oranges, different roles. Ash has quite high rank for enlisted.