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Saving the council, good or bad?
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 06:56
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What would be better, save the old council or let them die so humans get more power. I know the old council almost never listen to anything shepard has to say. So I got them killed at first and the new council seems to do the same sh*t. When the old council is saved atleast humans get more trust from other civilizations. But when war with the reapers start it might be good to have a human led council might be useful. What do you guys think?
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 07:13
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Depends on your viewpoint
Saved council = more goodwill
Dead council = arms race between Humans and Turians
What do you want most?
Saved council = more goodwill
Dead council = arms race between Humans and Turians
What do you want most?
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 07:13
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The council is a big government, which means red tape. Only when the Council is faced with a problem (Reapers) that they can't fix will they spring into action.
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 07:16
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I'd say it's good to save them, because if it's just a human Council, they probably don't have much control over anything once the Reapers attack, but if you have representatives from each race, I'd imagine that it help you organize things a little better.
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 07:17
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Armsrace, although a fullout Galactic War would be better.nhsk wrote...
Depends on your viewpoint
Saved council = more goodwill
Dead council = arms race between Humans and Turians
What do you want most?
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 07:30
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I am not really sure because:
a) Saving the council means more politic for Shepard to deal with but if they finally listen Shepard can have a lot of back up
The humans might not believe the Reaper but might be more convincable (Hopefuly since I got the original killed) but then Shepard wouldn't have the trust of other species.
a) Saving the council means more politic for Shepard to deal with but if they finally listen Shepard can have a lot of back up
The humans might not believe the Reaper but might be more convincable (Hopefuly since I got the original killed) but then Shepard wouldn't have the trust of other species.
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Posté 15 juillet 2011 - 02:06
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Leaving the council to die leads the rest of the citadel races to believe that commander shepard will put human intrests above those of the other races. I say you should save the council so that the rest of the citadel races will help you.
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Posté 15 juillet 2011 - 02:15
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I saved the Council not to be - "a goody goody" - I saved them because I found out that 'Destroying galactic government." and destabilize the civlizations was one of the objectives of the Reapers.
If I want to deny my enemies a victory - then it would stand to reason that preventing their goals should be an objective.
This is the first example of "Renegade" favoritism as they just get a handwave (oh, no instability to galactic government) instead of treated like the shortsighted fools some of them insist on being.
If I want to deny my enemies a victory - then it would stand to reason that preventing their goals should be an objective.
This is the first example of "Renegade" favoritism as they just get a handwave (oh, no instability to galactic government) instead of treated like the shortsighted fools some of them insist on being.
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Posté 15 juillet 2011 - 02:15
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I think killing the council.... the turians make as many dreadnaughts as they can and even on their mini fighters they are still armed with thanix canons. So I have a feeling the turians hierarchy is going to be a beast because they don't rely on the DA. Also on a side note the Batarians also make up a weapon that can reflect the sun and focus it to ridiculous levels. So I think the Arms race will be good for defending against galactic genocide than no arms race.
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Posté 15 juillet 2011 - 02:16
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Definitly bad. I ain't getting air quoted on something as serious as space Cthulus.
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Posté 15 juillet 2011 - 02:17
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Depends. Do you like interactive content where you can talk to characters in conversation, or do you like to be just brushed off and have your choice ignored? If the former, saving the Council is the way to go.
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Posté 15 juillet 2011 - 02:18
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Medhia Nox wrote...
I saved the Council not to be - "a goody goody" - I saved them because I found out that 'Destroying galactic government." and destabilize the civlizations was one of the objectives of the Reapers.
If I want to deny my enemies a victory - then it would stand to reason that preventing their goals should be an objective.
This is the first example of "Renegade" favoritism as they just get a handwave (oh, no instability to galactic government) instead of treated like the shortsighted fools some of them insist on being.
unlike paragon favoritism as one risks tons of ships to save the DA in hopes your remaining ships can take out the UNKOWN super-powered ship summoning the apocalypse.... honestly I think the paragon's got a handwave and the reaper invasion was put on hold.... tactically saving the council in the midst of reaper invasion would be the thing BELOW stopping Sov from ending the universe.... Argueably they could have put a game over the screen if chosen paragon and have it make sense.
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Posté 15 juillet 2011 - 02:19
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I say Save the council even if they don't listen. You will get more respect and trust from the other races. If you let them to Die all will be against you well those species. It may be more difficult to unite all the species if the Galactic Community. Im looking forward on what will happen. I do the good not the bad, the bad evil equal no good.
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Posté 15 juillet 2011 - 02:20
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@AesirMan - calm down, I just wanted to throw out "Renegade Favoritism" - just to know what your side feels like.
And your ships aren't all destroyed killing Sovereign... there's a little issue of that GIANT FLEET OF GETH Sovereign has with it...
In fact - the Normandy takes out Sovereign.
And your ships aren't all destroyed killing Sovereign... there's a little issue of that GIANT FLEET OF GETH Sovereign has with it...
In fact - the Normandy takes out Sovereign.
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Posté 15 juillet 2011 - 02:24
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Renegade Favoritism is more towards ME2 with the combat helping interrupts when paragon doesn't have any. When it comes to most of the plot it appears Paragon has the favoritism.
The point is your chances of success is LESS if you don't focus on Sovereign and if you are trying to prevent the ongoing apocalypse I don't think saving the council would be a bright idea if Sov manages to summon the reapers....
But we all know that BW doesn't punish Renegade or Paragons....
The point is your chances of success is LESS if you don't focus on Sovereign and if you are trying to prevent the ongoing apocalypse I don't think saving the council would be a bright idea if Sov manages to summon the reapers....
But we all know that BW doesn't punish Renegade or Paragons....
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Posté 15 juillet 2011 - 02:24
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I saved them to save the Asari dreadnought, not the Council itself. The Council is an annoyance at best to Shepard but not a real threat or burden. Even if you let them die the new Council and Udina (if he's made the human rep in the Council.. ugh) is still in denial about the Reaper threat. Somehow, even in ME1, I figured the DA will come in handy in ME2 (turns out not so) or ME3. I guess we'll see...
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Posté 15 juillet 2011 - 02:27
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= all the proof one needs that saving the Council was not a good decision
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Posté 15 juillet 2011 - 02:55
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IsaacShep wrote...
That is so awesome!!!
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Posté 15 juillet 2011 - 03:05
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I am not really sure because:
a) Saving the council means more politic for Shepard to deal with but if they finally listen Shepard can have a lot of back up
a) Not saving the council means the council simply gets replaced by a new council which means the politics in ME2 is still pretty much the same bullcrap regardless of your choice to save the council or let them die.
Sorry, but no. Look at Udina. He dismisses the Reapers just like any other politician. Politians are politians, regardless of their race. Heck, the old council is even more reasonable than the new human-council (if you let the old council die and went for a human-council). At least the old council is willing to hear what Shepard has to say about his cooperation with Cerberus, the human-council doesn't want to have anything to do with Shepard. They don't want to see him and they don't want to hear him.
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Posté 15 juillet 2011 - 03:15
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Posté 15 juillet 2011 - 03:19
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AesirMan wrote...
unlike paragon favoritism as one risks tons of ships to save the DA in hopes your remaining ships can take out the UNKOWN super-powered ship summoning the apocalypse.... honestly I think the paragon's got a handwave and the reaper invasion was put on hold.... tactically saving the council in the midst of reaper invasion would be the thing BELOW stopping Sov from ending the universe.... Argueably they could have put a game over the screen if chosen paragon and have it make sense.
Bullcrap and you know it. The ward-arms of the Citadel were still closed, so the Alliance had to wait before they could fly in and kill Sovereign.
And to reach Sovereign in the Citadel, the Alliance has to fly directly past the Turian fleet and the Destiny Ascention. Might as well help the Turians a little with protecting/saving the Ascention when you're in the neighborhood and still waiting for the arms to open, no?
"Focus on Sovereign" would only make sense if the Alliance would come from a whole different direction, or if they could attack Sovereign right away. But they couldn't attack right away because the arms weren't open yet. So just waiting while the Turian fleet and the Ascention get ripped to shreds is just an egocentric ****hole move. A real war-hero would not do such a thing. A real war-hero would help the Turians, save the Ascention and then as soon as the arms open, move towards Sovereign (together with what's left of the Turian fleet).
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Posté 15 juillet 2011 - 03:20
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I think saving the council is good. the fact that you saved them shows that you care about more than just humanity which means that the other races are going to be more likely to come to your aid.
