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Well I guess we know who's "****ing stupid" now.

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Indeed. Ur face.

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I am sorry, but I do not believe that. I myself would do horrible things for a cause I believed in. Minutes later I'd go back to my normal self like I never di anything. For me, remorse is abstract, just like it is for my Shepard.


Easy talking from the comfort of your desk chair. I would like to see you reconsider this after the sh*t REALLY hits the fan in real-life, if that's ever going to happen in real-life.

Trust me, it's easy to THINK you'll do this, or you'll do that with no problem, but REALITY shows that war CHANGES humans.

Ask any random war-veteran, they'll tell you how real-life war is NOTHING like a video-game when it comes to making difficult decisions.

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Indeed. Ur face.

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Luc0s wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

I am sorry, but I do not believe that. I myself would do horrible things for a cause I believed in. Minutes later I'd go back to my normal self like I never di anything. For me, remorse is abstract, just like it is for my Shepard.


Easy talking from the comfort of your desk chair. I would like to see you reconsider this after the sh*t REALLY hits the fan in real-life, if that's ever going to happen in real-life.

Trust me, it's easy to THINK you'll do this, or you'll do that with no problem, but REALITY shows that war CHANGES humans.

Ask any random war-veteran, they'll tell you how real-life war is NOTHING like a video-game when it comes to making difficult decisions.


You underestimate the infintie possibilities of cruelty, heartlessness, and cynical behaviours of humans.

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Indeed. Ur face.

/discussion


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Luc0s wrote...

Easy talking from the comfort of your desk chair. I would like to see you reconsider this after the sh*t REALLY hits the fan in real-life, if that's ever going to happen in real-life.

Trust me, it's easy to THINK you'll do this, or you'll do that with no problem, but REALITY shows that war CHANGES humans.

Ask any random war-veteran, they'll tell you how real-life war is NOTHING like a video-game when it comes to making difficult decisions.


I would value this as a great moral standing..... but after your previous post...... well.... I can't see beyond you as a troll, even if you're really not.

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Luc0s wrote...

Yeah, keep on dreaming, internet hero.


Well, Im not the one who demostrated they have the IQ of a troll. I'll be leaving now before a mod comes around and bans me for a day. See you around troll.

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Please stick to topic guys. Don't fight!

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AesirMan wrote...

unlike paragon favoritism as one risks tons of ships to save the DA in hopes your remaining ships can take out the UNKOWN super-powered ship summoning the apocalypse.... honestly I think the paragon's got a handwave and the reaper invasion was put on hold.... tactically saving the council in the midst of reaper invasion would be the thing BELOW stopping Sov from ending the universe....  Argueably they could have put a game over the screen if chosen paragon and have it make sense.


QFT

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mauro2222 wrote...

"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.[/i][/b]" Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche


I am sorry, but I do not believe that. I myself would do horrible things for a cause I believed in. Minutes later I'd go back to my normal self like I never di anything. For me, remorse is abstract, just like it is for my Shepard.


So you are a psychopath... interesting

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I don't think it'll matter really, since, as we all know, ME3 will be the best entry point for new players in the series and thus they can't alienate those players by giving story benefits to those who played the previous games!

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Luc0s wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

I am sorry, but I do not believe that. I myself would do horrible things for a cause I believed in. Minutes later I'd go back to my normal self like I never di anything. For me, remorse is abstract, just like it is for my Shepard.


Easy talking from the comfort of your desk chair. I would like to see you reconsider this after the sh*t REALLY hits the fan in real-life, if that's ever going to happen in real-life.

Trust me, it's easy to THINK you'll do this, or you'll do that with no problem, but REALITY shows that war CHANGES humans.

Ask any random war-veteran, they'll tell you how real-life war is NOTHING like a video-game when it comes to making difficult decisions.


You underestimate the infintie possibilities of cruelty, heartlessness, and cynical behaviours of humans.


No I do not. I in fact realize that such behavior is a RESULT of losing your morality because of being exposed to traumatised situations. Humans who act cruel and heartless often do so as an act of DESPERATION.

Humans don't just do something extremely cruel at one moment, and get back to their daily business a moment later. Humans who CAN do that are either extremely cold or they're crazy and need to be locked up in an asylum.

We're pack-animals with a moral compass. We're born with a moral-compas and moral standards. When we grow up we are taught the values of morality. Most humans can't simply toss that morality aside and pick it back up a moment later.

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I don't think it'll matter really, since, as we all know, ME3 will be the best entry point for new players in the series and thus they can't alienate those players by giving story benefits to those who played the previous games!

Well there is a comic book thing to cover that part. Also BW said that older players will have some advantage.

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Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

AesirMan wrote...

unlike paragon favoritism as one risks tons of ships to save the DA in hopes your remaining ships can take out the UNKOWN super-powered ship summoning the apocalypse.... honestly I think the paragon's got a handwave and the reaper invasion was put on hold.... tactically saving the council in the midst of reaper invasion would be the thing BELOW stopping Sov from ending the universe....  Argueably they could have put a game over the screen if chosen paragon and have it make sense.


QFT


Personally I couldn't care less about the Council either but knowing this was going to be a 3 part game, I saved the DA for a future fight.  Saving the Council too is just a nasty side-effect but as it turns out, the new Council is no better anyways if you let the old one die so....

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I would value this as a great moral standing..... but after your previous post...... well.... I can't see beyond you as a troll, even if you're really not.


Think what you like. I know exactly where I stand, who I am and what I represent.

Have a nice day/evening/night. I'm going to bed.

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Luc0s wrote...

Most humans can't simply toss that morality aside and pick it back up a moment later.


You said it yourself. MOST.

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Luc0s wrote...

Sainthood85 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

I am sorry, but I do not believe that. I myself would do horrible things for a cause I believed in. Minutes later I'd go back to my normal self like I never di anything. For me, remorse is abstract, just like it is for my Shepard.


Easy talking from the comfort of your desk chair. I would like to see you reconsider this after the sh*t REALLY hits the fan in real-life, if that's ever going to happen in real-life.

Trust me, it's easy to THINK you'll do this, or you'll do that with no problem, but REALITY shows that war CHANGES humans.

Ask any random war-veteran, they'll tell you how real-life war is NOTHING like a video-game when it comes to making difficult decisions.


You underestimate the infintie possibilities of cruelty, heartlessness, and cynical behaviours of humans.


No I do not. I in fact realize that such behavior is a RESULT of losing your morality because of being exposed to traumatised situations. Humans who act cruel and heartless often do so as an act of DESPERATION.

Humans don't just do something extremely cruel at one moment, and get back to their daily business a moment later. Humans who CAN do that are either extremely cold or they're crazy and need to be locked up in an asylum.

We're pack-animals with a moral compass. We're born with a moral-compas and moral standards. When we grow up we are taught the values of morality. Most humans can't simply toss that morality aside and pick it back up a moment later.



OH MY GOD!!! I´M GONNA DIE OF PROUD :o

This bag of flesh is a real human :wub:

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Have a nice day/evening/night. I'm going to bed.


Yeah, Im going to hit the hay too.

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who cares if the council is alive or none existant?

because it doesnt matter to the reapers at all.

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ThePwener wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Most humans can't simply toss that morality aside and pick it back up a moment later.


You said it yourself. MOST.


The others are mentally sick, like you clearly showed to us.

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Luc0s wrote...

Most humans can't simply toss that morality aside and pick it back up a moment later.


You said it yourself. MOST.


Yes, the VAST MAJORITY. Unless you're a trained soldier, a war-veteran or a trained commando unit, I'm pretty damn sure you're part of that majority.

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mauro2222 wrote...

The others are mentally sick, like you clearly showed to us.


Not my fault! Im not God, I didn't make the human race. Wanna blame someone? Blame yourself, because nobody else is.

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ThePwener wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

The others are mentally sick, like you clearly showed to us.


Not my fault! Im not God, I didn't make the human race. Wanna blame someone? Blame yourself, because nobody else is.


You made a big step by admitting your condition, the next step is to search for help ;)

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Luc0s wrote...

Yes, the VAST MAJORITY. Unless you're a trained soldier, a war-veteran or a trained commando unit, I'm pretty damn sure you're part of that majority.


Exactly. I happen to talk to myself in a daily basis, be obssesed with anything psychological, and have an assortment of questionable anthics which I need to keep secret from everyone around me, lest I be classified as a weirdo. Am I insane? Hell if I know, but belong to the vast majority I don't.

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Yakko77 wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

AesirMan wrote...

unlike paragon favoritism as one risks tons of ships to save the DA in hopes your remaining ships can take out the UNKOWN super-powered ship summoning the apocalypse.... honestly I think the paragon's got a handwave and the reaper invasion was put on hold.... tactically saving the council in the midst of reaper invasion would be the thing BELOW stopping Sov from ending the universe....  Argueably they could have put a game over the screen if chosen paragon and have it make sense.


QFT


Personally I couldn't care less about the Council either but knowing this was going to be a 3 part game, I saved the DA for a future fight.  Saving the Council too is just a nasty side-effect but as it turns out, the new Council is no better anyways if you let the old one die so....


I personally did care about the Council... but the galaxy was at stake and the Reaper's arrival was imminent... they just weren't worth sacrificing the galaxy over (especially since the Reapers would kill the Council anyway had they arrived while Shep tried to save them).