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[Naltair]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Actually without a mage, either morrigan or wynne, you'll have to kill the kid. Sacrificing Isolde only allows a MAGE to enter the fade, in which Wynne, Morrigan, Irving or Jowan would have to do it.

If you decided not to save the mages your only option is to kill the kid, since Jowan can't enter the fade AND keep up the magic at the same time.
Sucks how bigotry comes to bite you back in the ass, doesn't it? 

Bam.

[Medet]

Ah well, I guess I used her then. It's been awhile. D:



Can't you save the mages without Wynne and have Irving go?

[Maria Caliban]

Medet wrote...

Can't you save the mages without Wynne and have Irving go?

I assume the reason he doesn't have Wynne is that he killed the mages.

[The Angry One]

And I didn't want any help from a blood mage because it goes against the Chantry.

I hope you didn't get Alistair to teach you Templar skills then.
It is forbidden by Chantry law for Templars to teach outsiders their techniques! If you did then you are a heathen! You shall be put to the torch!

So now I had to kill some kid in game.

Not much of a choice lol.  GG bioware.  

Let Isolde do it.
"My hands are clean!"

[Hikahi]

There are two separate encounters here:



1: clearing out the mage tower

2: handling the demon in redcliff



How you handle the mage tower (taking wynn or not) has NO BEARING on handling the demon. There are three possible resolutions to handling the demon:



1. Allow a bloodmage ritual to kill isolde and send a mage to the fayde to deal with the demon

2. Kill the child

3. Go to the circle of magi and request help, both isolde and child live



If you dont want to kill the kid, and you dont want to party with a mage, then your only option is #3

[Saurel]

Hikahi wrote...


If you dont want to kill the kid, and you dont want to party with a mage, then your only option is #3

You would have to spare Jowan first though....if you can handle that OP 

[ReubenLiew]

Except he can't do that, because if he did what I think he did, he called for the Right of Annulment on the Tower, therefore there are no mages left to do favors for him.



He can't wriggle himself out of this, he has to kill the child, or allow the mother to do it.

[KalosCast]

If you kill every single person who has the ability to do X, you don't get to complain when you can't do X.

[Trelow-LMG]

The kid's a damn wizard too. Kill the evil squirt.

[Haasth]

Wait! What just happened? My post of total knowledge and intelligence is gone?!

Blasted BioWare Moderators for moving the post as I make a reply!

[Maria Caliban]

Hikahi wrote...

There are two separate encounters here:

1: clearing out the mage tower
2: handling the demon in redcliff

How you handle the mage tower (taking wynn or not) has NO BEARING on handling the demon. There are three possible resolutions to handling the demon:

1. Allow a bloodmage ritual to kill isolde and send a mage to the fayde to deal with the demon
2. Kill the child
3. Go to the circle of magi and request help, both isolde and child live

If you dont want to kill the kid, and you dont want to party with a mage, then your only option is #3

I think the only way you can save the circle is to have Wynne in your party. You either agree to help her (and then you MUST take her) or you tell her that you won't help the circle.

[Zenthar Aseth]

Jensonagain wrote...

I was forced to kill a boy in game because I didn't want wynne (a healer) in my party. The only other option was to kill Wynne.   There is no way I'm replacing alistair, my dog, leilana with a stupid mage.

And I didn't want any help from a blood mage because it goes against the Chantry.

So now I had to kill some kid in game.

Not much of a choice lol.  GG bioware.  

Yes, isn't it weird that you can't resolve everything in a hugs-and-flowers-for-everybody manner, every time? OMG bioware how could you make the game a bit more realistic and *gasp* dark.. just like advertised???

[Haasth]

Anyway. Long story short...

You can try tickling the demonic influence out of the kid.
But really, you need the expertise from someone else - in this case a mage - if you want to solve this particular problem. It's logical, it even happens in Real Life too. And if it happens in Real Life, it must be logical.

Modifié par Haasth, 21 novembre 2009 - 12:06 .

[Bryy_Miller]

Jensonagain wrote...

I was forced to kill a boy in game because I didn't want wynne (a healer) in my party. The only other option was to kill Wynne.   There is no way I'm replacing alistair, my dog, leilana with a stupid mage.

And I didn't want any help from a blood mage because it goes against the Chantry.

So now I had to kill some kid in game.

Not much of a choice lol.  GG bioware.  

"I was forced to make a role playing choice because I role played! Lame!"

[tranj84cl]

You're complaining because:



1. You don't want a mage in your party.

2. There is a part where you NEED a mage to save a child. Even story-wise, it says you need a mage to enter the Fade.

3. You think this is Bioware's fault and not your own



/Sigh

[The Angry One]

What gets me is that if you call for the Rite of Annulment.. that means you've murdered the INNOCENT CHILDREN IN THE TOWER on the basis that they MIGHT become abominations.

Subsequently you have a problem with the fact that you have to kill a child WHO ALREADY IS an abomination?!



Does not compute.



If you want to play the Chantry hard liner, fine. But by this logic, Connor is an abomination. Abominations can't be saved. He must die and be sent to the Maker's side for forgiveness.

[Medet]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Hikahi wrote...

There are two separate encounters here:

1: clearing out the mage tower
2: handling the demon in redcliff

How you handle the mage tower (taking wynn or not) has NO BEARING on handling the demon. There are three possible resolutions to handling the demon:

1. Allow a bloodmage ritual to kill isolde and send a mage to the fayde to deal with the demon
2. Kill the child
3. Go to the circle of magi and request help, both isolde and child live

If you dont want to kill the kid, and you dont want to party with a mage, then your only option is #3

I think the only way you can save the circle is to have Wynne in your party. You either agree to help her (and then you MUST take her) or you tell her that you won't help the circle.

Is it? I thought you sided with the mage set if you saved even one mage?
Never tried it myself though, just what I remember from skimming the guide.

[fr4gged]

Suck it up. You'll be forced to have certain people in your party at certain times. Just be thankful that the game doesn't beat you into the ground just because you don't have your uber combo.



Also the OP's reasoning makes no sense. How did he find out about saving the boy in the first place? If he was so anti blood mage he should of offed Jowan ASAP. Also he would have forced Morrigan out of the party.



You don't role play a person who is trying to save the world by alienating every potential ally that comes your way. If Dragon Age tells you anything about Grey Wardens is that when the blight comes they do what it takes to defeat the darkspawn. Too bad a little boy seems to stop you.

[Haasth]

Medet wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Hikahi wrote...

There are two separate encounters here:

1: clearing out the mage tower
2: handling the demon in redcliff

How you handle the mage tower (taking wynn or not) has NO BEARING on handling the demon. There are three possible resolutions to handling the demon:

1. Allow a bloodmage ritual to kill isolde and send a mage to the fayde to deal with the demon
2. Kill the child
3. Go to the circle of magi and request help, both isolde and child live

If you dont want to kill the kid, and you dont want to party with a mage, then your only option is #3

I think the only way you can save the circle is to have Wynne in your party. You either agree to help her (and then you MUST take her) or you tell her that you won't help the circle.

Is it? I thought you sided with the mage set if you saved even one mage?
Never tried it myself though, just what I remember from skimming the guide.

Pretty much. A friend of mine wanted to side with the Templars, then only saved Irving and got the Mage side story.
Either you exterminate all of them, or let captain Uldred exterminate them all.

I think so, at least.

Modifié par Haasth, 21 novembre 2009 - 12:11 .

[Maria Caliban]

Mages: These [smurfs] are hard to get rid of.

[Matterialize]

A real follower of the Chant would've had no problems at all with killing the kid. After all, he is an abomination, and responsible for the deaths of countless soldiers and civilians in Redcliffe.

[Ghurshog]

Jensonagain wrote...

I was forced to kill a boy in game because I didn't want wynne (a healer) in my party. The only other option was to kill Wynne.   There is no way I'm replacing alistair, my dog, leilana with a stupid mage.

And I didn't want any help from a blood mage because it goes against the Chantry.

So now I had to kill some kid in game.

Not much of a choice lol.  GG bioware.  

In point of fact you dont have to have a mage in your party to complete this part of Redcliffe.

1. Keep the blood mage around that is in the dungeons.
2. once at the point you are looking for alternatives find the dialog to go to the mage tower to get the Circles help.
3. once the mage town is complete (save the mages) speak to First Enchanter and tell him of the problem in Redcliffe.
4. go to Redcliffe you can swap out wynne if you have her in your camp
5. In Redcliffe have the Blood Mage go into the Fade to free the boy and try to redeam himself.

Go about your way without a mage in your party.

[Maria Caliban]

Trelow-LMG wrote...

The kid's a damn wizard too. Kill the evil squirt.

Good point. Liquidation time! 

[SeanMurphy2]

I don't see the issue with that bit.



That kid was indirectly responsible for hundreds of deaths in the village and the castle. He is dangerous. A lot of families were already affected by his actions.



The darkspawn is a huge threat and has destroyed a lot of Ferelden. Why go to so much trouble to save the life of one kid if it puts so many other people at risk.

[Maria Caliban]

Actually, the answer to this is simple. Unlike the mages in the Circle, you get a rather unpleasant scene where a mother begs for you to stop before you murder the kid.

The cinematic definitely skews toward a brutal/horrific act instead of a good even necessary one.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 21 novembre 2009 - 12:51 .