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[100k]

Ryzaki wrote...

Out of curiosity.

How is Jack stronger than Samara?

I mean...Jack's powerful for a human biotic sure. But most human biotics tend to reach the levels of commandos. Not the Matriarchs or Justicars. Not to mention with training...Samara has a hell of a lot more of life experience and fighting on her own than Jack ever will.

Jack does destroy 4 YMIR mechs by herself, but Samara supposedly faces a whole mindenslaved village on her own, stops a speeding car from running away in its tracks and drags it back towards her without even batting an eye. She faces Nihlus one on one (and Spectres are no slouches), and has centuries of taking out merc gangs and the like.

Samara likely killed that village with guns as well as biotics. Oh, she's damned powerful-- and I'd be the first to admit it. I believe that a Caedo Justicar has powers rivaling those of a Matriarch, meaning that Samara is at least almost as good as a Matriarch, if not at their level. Couple that with her (kick ass) ability to wield firearms, and she probably could take on just about anyone. 

But Jack is a beast. She is the sweet spot for biotic potential in humans, easily eclipsing Shepard and Liara in pure power (to say nothing of skill). Samara can hover-decend, and grab moving sky cars. Jack can punch out 4 YIMR mechs, skyrocket off the ground while using her biotics to stun her enemies, and punch her way through thick walls of machinery and metal, and wreak havoc in a frigate. And, unless memory serves me wrong, Jack takes out a whole gang. Taking out a village of perverted civilians is one thing and pretty scary. But taking out an entire gang of cultists? That's definitely just as scary!

So in the end, we can't really apply the norms of human-biotic power levels to Jack. She was messed with too long by Cerberus. 

[Ryzaki]

100k wrote...
Samara likely killed that village with guns as well as biotics. Oh, she's damned powerful-- and I'd be the first to admit it. I believe that a Caedo Justicar has powers rivaling those of a Matriarch, meaning that Samara is at least almost as good as a Matriarch, if not at their level. Couple that with her (kick ass) ability to wield firearms, and she probably could take on just about anyone. 

But Jack is a beast. She is the sweet spot for biotic potential in humans, easily eclipsing Shepard and Liara in pure power (to say nothing of skill). Samara can hover-decend, and grab moving sky cars. Jack can punch out 4 YIMR mechs, skyrocket off the ground while using her biotics to stun her enemies, and punch her way through thick walls of machinery and metal, and wreak havoc in a frigate. And, unless memory serves me wrong, Jack takes out a whole gang. Taking out a village of perverted civilians is one thing and pretty scary. But taking out an entire gang of cultists? That's definitely just as scary!

So in the end, we can't really apply the norms of human-biotic power levels to Jack. She was messed with too long by Cerberus. 

Jack being stronger than Shepard and Liara by no means says that she's more powerful than Samara. We never really see Samara get in a situation where she needs to unleash a whole lot of biotic power. Samara's too controlled to get in that situation.

Samara doesn't stun anyone that is true but you never actually see her fight anyone edit: actually she throws Morinth back with her biotics and the two of them end up clashing in some weird singularity like thing. When you first meet her she's decimated an entire squad and easily finishes off the last merc. She's not out of breath, there's no extreme damage anywhere. Her enemies are always trying to kill her. Jack's greatest weakness is for the most part most of her more powerful enemies aren't trying to kill her. Even in Teltin. You can't really say "oh look at all these things she killed." when those things weren't fighting at full strength. While she *believed* they were all attacking her to kill her (due to how she was raised) it's pretty clear they were only trying to subdue and not kill her. The prison? Trying to subdue. Those mechs? Trying to subdue. What exactly are they gonna do if they can't kill her? They certainly can't use those rockets. (not to mention I have little doubt Shepard/Liara could take one or more out if it's a cutscene. Cutscene Power to the Max is a trope for a reason let's not bring up the other illogical examples (Hello Kasumi wow. Didn't think it was humanly possible to fall from that height, in that position and not break something...oh wait it's not). "No matter what you do don't kill Jack! Recapture Jack!" Meanwhile said enemies are fighting everyone else at full strength. (I'm not getting into her eclipsing Shepard (who never actually uses his biotics in anything other than gameplay) or Liara (who is impressive enough that Vasir takes a step back at her barrier's precision). Stronger? Defintely. Eclipsing? Not so much.

What gang did Jack take out on her own? Most of the time I hear about her having help. She did take over that Turian ship but she said that required planning (leading me to believe she had help.) I'm also fairly certain the cultists weren't overly powerful. (or were they? Not to mention they might've also fallen into the trying to subdue her so they could continue making money off her camp.) not to mention that village could easily be see as a cult for Morinth. Samara's so powerful a entire pirate ship backs off after hearing she's onboard. She decimates her entire pirate crew and outruns the collectors (before she's even a Justicar).

I mean hell even Shepard singlehandily takes out a station filled to the brim with soldiers trying to subdue (or kill not sure which one) him. 

You really never get a feel for Samara's power because she unlike Jack doesn't throw it around. (Probably because she most likely learned the lesson that it doesn't matter how much power you're throwing around it's how you use it).

Jack's undergone harsh regiments but so has Samara. Both of their lifestyles have them doing combat for a living. Jack just has a fancier opening (and much worse abilities in gameplay. God Jack's horrible in gameplay. The only battle I bother taking her on is the DR if my Shep's not a biotic. And forget any difficulty that's not causal or normal. Hell no).

It would be nice to see how Jack does against a strong opponent that's actually trying to kill her rather than capture her.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 juillet 2011 - 01:39 .

[100k]

I still think that Jack is too powerful when it comes down to power. We can attempt to say that most of her enemies weren't ready for her attack, or were only trying to subdue her, but then we must apply the same eyebrow to Samara and her village scene.

Maybe all of the civilians attacked Samara. But with what? Their fists? Farming equipment? Standard colony weapons? If they just threw themselves at her in a mad fury, it would be easy for Samara to wipe them out.

I'm not saying Samara isn't strong. She clearly is. Hell, she rivals a Matriarch. But what Samara has going for her biotics is centuries of refinement, skill, and precision-- in addition to great power. The only other character I think can match her in pure biotic combat would be Aria.

In a straight up fight between Samara and Jack, Jack would probably just through everything she had in an attempt to pummel Samara down (its about the only thing anyone could do in an attempt to survive a Justicar). Samara would likely wait for an opening, and hit Jack with a less powerful, but far more direct biotic attack, and win. In my opinion.

If "strength" is a question as to who could last by using nothing but biotics, Samara is stronger.
If "strength" is a question as to who can utilize their biotics for more uses, Samara is stronger.
If "strength" is a question as to whose biotics have more kick behind them, Jack is stronger.

She single handedly punches her way out of a heavily guarded prison. It would probably take Shepard or Samara a lot of C4 to pull that off.

[Ryzaki]

Why *wouldn't* Morinth try to kill Samara? Morinth wants Samara dead so she can live without fear. She wouldn't spare her mother. Those people aren't trying to spare Samara. The people Samara turned on were most likely not trying to spare her (why would they? She was trying to stop them from selling their slaves). Why would any merc keep a Justicar alive? It's not like they could very well sell her to Cerberus or anything. She wasn't a criminal and I doubt any enemy of hers would be willing to pay the amount it would take to even get her (not to mention the likely hood of them still being alive is slim and the chance of them finding it worth the headache even slimmer. It'd be easier just to kill her). Unlike Jack studying Samara isn't liable to produce any information previously unknown either.

That maybe the case. They could also have been some of them at least armed. (Honestly I have a hard time believing no colonists at all were armed. If only from fear of batarian attacks). Living in the middle of nowhere with no weapons is pretty dumb. Was those cultists Jack killed powerful fighters? 

You never see Shepard/Samara need to punch their way out of a prison. The closest Shep comes to that is arrival. (Not to mention Shepard wouldn't be able to because the devs are too lazy to give each class an alernate path to escape. So a soldier/engineer/infiltrator will need to use the same escape route and since they don't have biotics...the escape route will not require biotics. I mean...we're at the point where the soldier and adept can hack as well as the engineer. I mean...really? And they'd want you to go all the way around to find some key or whatever so you could trigger the right scene or something. ).  It is however massively inefficient (biotics require energy. Why waste valuable energy when C4 can do the same thing?) and liable to give away his position so people could shoot the crap out of him. (Let's not forget that Jack *isn't* being swarmed by everyone because the whole ship is rioting, the cells are all open, everyone's going crazy and at least half the guards are after Shepard.) [I did notice a funny glitch. If you use the Cain on the Boss there's invisible guards that Jack kills ] Shepard and Samara tend to not be in a situation like that. (Shepard's somehow capable of hacking a mech from behind a door. How...I have no clue. The fact that he does this regardless of class just makes it even weirder.) Though you're right. No other biotic would be wasteful enough to throw around their powers like that. They probably wouldn't have as much reserves as Jack does to waste either.

I mean...just using cutscenes. Vanguard Shepard can probably push himself through objects to reach a target. (would be sweet if he could doing this in cutscenes you can see Vasir do it during a cutscene). 

That said if you mean raw biotic power Jack probably does have enough to rival Samara. She just throws it around everywhere without thinking. Anyone actually trying to kill her (and not just subdue her) with decent ability themselves would probably be able to take her out. (I'm fairly certain that Miranda could take her out in a fight if it came to that.) I level power on control and focus more than just strength. And there's still no way of knowing if Samara doesn't have as much biotic power as Jack (or more) and just decides not to tire herself out by using it. Samara unlike Jack doesn't seem to get a thrill out of hurting/killing her opponents. She's eerily calm (I mean her just walking up to that car was hilarious). However...more than Samara? I'm not seeing it. It's constantly said Jack is the strongest human biotic. It's also said that Justicar's train their bodies (and probably biotics) to the limit with high mortality rate training. Samara on the other hand is powerful for an Asari her age. I'm just not seeing how Jack is above the level of Samara I mean yeah Jack is the most powerful human biotic. That's not really arguable but stronger than a centuries old warrior who only gets stronger as she ages? If we use cutscenes, Samara is able to stop a speeding car, cause a singularity, fly, break someone's neck with a biotic hand glow, throw another powerful Asari against a window and use just biotics to keep them there until they throw it off with a biotic push themselves. And take out a squad of mercs without a scratch on her or a weapon.

Sadly there's not enough evidence to surely say either way so I'll have to settle for agreeing to disagree. (Yes I totally just finished off my WoT with agree to disagree) 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 juillet 2011 - 03:08 .

[dreman9999]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Depends on the Asari, like you said. Shepard's probably stronger than a Commando, because I got the feeling that Commando's were more Vanguard types (Weapon/Biotic specialists) like Tela Vasir. Commandos and Vanguards are strong in Biotics, yes, but not as strong as an Adept.

I think that Adept Shepard was easily stronger in Biotics than Liara, and possibly as strong as Benezia. Shepard's not as strong as Samara or Morinth, but those two are both very rare cases. Samara has had intense Justicar training, and Morinth has been gathering energy from four centuries' worth of sexual victims.

So yes, I think Adept Shepard is definitely more powerful than the average Asari, and even more powerful than the Commandos. After that, it's a case-by-case study of Matriarchs and special exceptions.

Sheperd is clearly not as strong as Benezia. Halfthat fight shep could not even hurt her. You had to wait her out and let her weaken herself to be able to kill. Shep is a equal to Tal Viser, Vanguad Shep is with her step by step and adept can easilly hold her back with stasis.
As for Samara vs Shep...I have to go with Samara, Reave is the most powerful striking biotic move in the game, It hits strong, stuns and drains in one move ,one hit by it and shep is dead

[ISpeakTheTruth]

We have to remember that Shepard in ME1 is just a 'normal' human adept he's stronger than the average Asari and holds his own against skilled ones.

However the Shepard in ME2 is rebuilt with Reaper technology. Billions of credits are spent to bring him back better and stronger than he ever was. He was given the best implants and he was probably outfitted with alot more tech to make his biotics stronger. You have to remember Cerberus made Jack as powerful as she is do you really think they wouldn't do the exact same things to make Shepard stronger than her?

We know that Shepard is far stronger physically than he was in ME1 (He can wield weapons that shatter the arms of humans, Headbutts a Krgan without being affected, and is able to physically beat up a Yahg) Do you really think his Biotics would just stay the same or woud they be made as strong as possible?

Cerberus 'built' Jack years ago, she's the first version of what they can do with human biotics. Shepard is literally build years latter with advanced technology and everything they know from 'building' Jack to make Shepard. Shepard is the second version. Gameplay if the game I believe is meant to relfect lore at least in Shepards case so I'd be on the side of him being stronger than Jack/Samara and would probably rival Benzia.

[silentassassin264]

I am pretty sure that since Wrex is hundreds of years old and is a powerful Battlemaster, his biotics have to be as strong as Benezia/Samara. No way in the world he is the weakest biotic squadmate.

[Han Shot First]

silentassassin264 wrote...

I am pretty sure that since Wrex is hundreds of years old and is a powerful Battlemaster, his biotics have to be as strong as Benezia/Samara. No way in the world he is the weakest biotic squadmate.

What is exceptional about Battlemasters is that biotic ability is extremely rare among Krogan.

The Battlemasters are feared not because they are more powerful biotics than other species, but because they combine biotic ability with the toughness and combat abilities the Krogan are known for. Krogan are hard to bring down to begin with, let alone one who can toss you around like a ragdoll with his mind.

So I think it is fare to say that Wrex doesn't rank among the most powerful biotics on the team. He doesn't have a mastery over singularity or reave. That isn't to say that he isn't a badass, of course.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 13 juillet 2011 - 05:34 .

[Ahriman]

@Ryzaki
I have opposite question. Why do people think that Samara is stronger than Jack? :happy:
Samara is Justicar, her biotic is just another weapon for her, as well as riffle. She was never stated as biotic god.
But Jack's life is an attempt to increase biotic potential to maximum. She broke walls on spaceship that's supposed to be oustanding for any biotic.

[GreedIgnored]

100k wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Out of curiosity.

How is Jack stronger than Samara?

I mean...Jack's powerful for a human biotic sure. But most human biotics tend to reach the levels of commandos. Not the Matriarchs or Justicars. Not to mention with training...Samara has a hell of a lot more of life experience and fighting on her own than Jack ever will.

Jack does destroy 4 YMIR mechs by herself, but Samara supposedly faces a whole mindenslaved village on her own, stops a speeding car from running away in its tracks and drags it back towards her without even batting an eye. She faces Nihlus one on one (and Spectres are no slouches), and has centuries of taking out merc gangs and the like.

Jack can punch out 4 YIMR mechs, skyrocket off the ground while using her biotics to stun her enemies, and punch her way through thick walls of machinery and metal, and wreak havoc in a frigate.

That weren't aiming to kill her. Sad fact is everytime she wreaks havoc ... nobody ever aimed to kill. I noticed that those mechs didn't even shoot once at her. So she believes to have unlimited power and doesn't know how to aim/be precise. (Note the powers she has: Shockwave, Pull)

[GreedIgnored]

Wizz wrote...

@Ryzaki
I have opposite question. Why do people think that Samara is stronger than Jack? :happy:
Samara is Justicar, her biotic is just another weapon for her, as well as riffle. She was never stated as biotic god.
But Jack's life is an attempt to increase biotic potential to maximum. She broke walls on spaceship that's supposed to be oustanding for any biotic.

Because of centuries of training, becoming a justicar is no easy feat. She has better powers and is more precise, Jack has powers that are meant for groups.

[Cypher0020]

I am the only one who thinks Shep is weakest at biotics? I rated the best as

1. Benezia
2. Samara
3. Liara
4. Jack/Kaidan due to L2?
5. Adept Shepard
6. Miranda
7. Jacob
8. Thane

From what I've gathered anyways... or am I horribly wrong? Jack is supposedly the strongest human biotic, and Shep can't beat Benezia/Samara with centuries of experience

[silentassassin264]

Han Shot First wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

I am pretty sure that since Wrex is hundreds of years old and is a powerful Battlemaster, his biotics have to be as strong as Benezia/Samara. No way in the world he is the weakest biotic squadmate.

What is exceptional about Battlemasters is that biotic ability is extremely rare among Krogan.

The Battlemasters are feared not because they are more powerful biotics than other species, but because they combine biotic ability with the toughness and combat abilities the Krogan are known for. Krogan are hard to bring down to begin with, let alone one who can toss you around like a ragdoll with his mind.

So I think it is fare to say that Wrex doesn't rank among the most powerful biotics on the team. He doesn't have a mastery over singularity or reave. That isn't to say that he isn't a badass, of course.

Reave didn't exist in ME1 and he had stasis which was the ability to freeze anything (Thresher Maws included) in a Mass Effect field with your mind.  Stasis even ends up being Liara's loyalty power in ME2.  It is unfair to go by just abilities to judge Wrex since he didn't get to have a unique skillset for ME2 since he wasn't a companion. 

[Ryzaki]

Wizz wrote...

@Ryzaki
I have opposite question. Why do people think that Samara is stronger than Jack? :happy:
Samara is Justicar, her biotic is just another weapon for her, as well as riffle. She was never stated as biotic god.
But Jack's life is an attempt to increase biotic potential to maximum. She broke walls on spaceship that's supposed to be oustanding for any biotic.

Samara has trained for centuries to hone her skills, she's feared so much in Asari space that pirate ships turn around if they hear she's on board (pirate ships that are liable to be filled with Asari commandos), she's as powerful as an Asari Matriarch while being nearly a century (if not more) younger than the average one (and Asari get STRONGER as they age). Jack is a human. Jack did break spaceship walls on a ship where no one was trying to kill her. (let's not forget that). Samara singlehandily takes out pirate ships with people trying to kill her. Samara's been beating the **** out of people for centuries. Wow she broke walls on a spaceship. You really think Samara couldn't do that if she needed to? Considering what the cop says about being worried about arresting Samara it sounds like she could easily break herself out of prison if it was necessary. Samara even says she could escape but she might be killed during it (doubtful but she uses that slim chance to give Shepard the offer to find Morinth for her) and she'd have to kill many innocents. (and I'm inclined to believe an Asari planet would have prison walls that were strong enough to withstand punishment from average biotics. If you have people capable of breaking things with their mind you're kind of gonna build your prisons to accomdate that. The fact that they know she'd be able to escape says a lot.) 

And I don't see Wrex as a strong biotic. He's strong enough to make the average man run screaming (but honestly who isn't gonna run from a Krogan?) Krogan + Biotics = I'm getting the f*ck outta here to anyone that's not Shepard with half a brain. He'll pull your ass closer to him then beat the hell out of you. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 juillet 2011 - 05:58 .

[Lozark]

And Shepard takes out -everyone- who tries to kill her. Unfortunately I think Shep's at a disadvantage in the comparison list as she's never gotten a chance to try out cutscene biotics. Maybe in ME3 we'll get more class specific dialogue (please oh please) to clarify it. I'd actually like to see something like Jack resenting an adept Shep for being as/nearly as powerful as Jack is without having had to go through being tortured in a Cerberus facility for years.

[GreedIgnored]

Power level biotics:

Paul Grayson (Reaper Avatar)
Saren (after Reaper implants)
Benezia
Samara/Morinth (Samara is just a little stronger than her)
Jack
Liara (Liara wins Jack in biotic control/precision)
Adept Shepard
Wrex
Miranda
Kaidan
Jacob
Thane

[Ryzaki]

GreedIgnored wrote...

Power level biotics:

Paul Grayson (Reaper Avatar)
Saren (after Reaper implants)
Benezia
Samara/Morinth (Samara is just a little stronger than her)
Jack
Liara (Liara wins Jack in biotic control/precision)
Adept Shepard
Wrex
Miranda
Kaidan
Jacob
Thane

Saren was a biotic? HOW DID I MISS THAT! 

[Ahriman]

Ryzaki wrote...
Samara has trained for centuries to hone her skills, she's feared so much in Asari space that pirate ships turn around if they hear she's on board, she's as powerful as an Asari Matriarch while being nearly a century (if not more) younger than the average one (and Asari get STRONGER as they age). Jack is a human. Jack did break spaceship walls on a ship where no one was trying to kill her. (let's not forget that). Samara singlehandily takes out pirate ships with people trying to kill her. Samara's been beating the **** out of people for centuries. Wow she broke walls on a spaceship. You really think Samara couldn't do that if she needed to? Considering what the cop says about being worried about arresting Samara it sounds like she could easily break herself out of prison if it was necessary. Samare even says she could escape but she might be killed during it (doubtful but she uses that slim chance to give Shepard the offer to find Morinth for her) and she'd have to kill many innocents. (and I'm inclined to believe an Asari planet would have prison walls that were strong enough to withstand punishment from average biotics. The fact that they know she'd be able to escape says a lot.)

That again, it shows that she is killing machine, not that she is most powefull biotic. Ymirs tried to kill her, that's enough?
No, I don't think she can break walls. She can escape because she just sits on table. And again it's nothing to do about biotic power.

edit: lazy to split parts, I hope you'll get the order.

Modifié par Wizz, 13 juillet 2011 - 06:02 .

[Sierra Crysis]

Based on in game lore alone, it breaks down like this.

Kaiden is/was a L2, which are said to have kick on par with an Asari commando.
Kaiden then says that L3's don't spike as high as L2's except for Shepard. Which says that Shepard is somewhat of a biotic prodigy and is equal/somewhat better than an Asari commando. Given the character traits, you could assume adept shepard is more powerful in biotics than say vanguard or sentinel Shepards, who all recieve the same L2/L3 conversation; so it only makes sense that Adept Shepard is as powerful as a very potent Asari on a biotic level.

On another note, seeing as Samara and Jack are the only two that can successfully do the biotic bubble at the end of ME2 (I'm pretty sure), it leads you to believe that both are on an even keel, because both begin to tire in the same fashion after the same trek. That said, Samara definitely does look more impressive with her biotics. I believe this is because she's literally had centuries to perfect her abilities and hone her combat skills. Jack on the other hand, is seen as the pinacle of human biotics but because of her mentality, she probably doesn't know the half of what she's actually capable of. So in my opinion then, it's seen as a clear case on unhoned potential vs. perfected ability.

[Ryzaki]

Wizz wrote...

That again, it shows that she is killing machine, not that she is most powefull biotic. Ymirs tried to kill her, that's enough?
No, I don't think she can break walls. She can espace because she just sits on table. And again it's nothing to do about biotic power.

The YMIRS were *not* trying to kill her. They were trying to capture her like everyone else was on that ship. "Do not kill Jack" was the orders. Shepard on the other hand was too much trouble to be kept alive. (really don't know why that idiot didn't see that in the first place). 

She's only on that table because of her offer. She would not be there if she had not went willingly with the cop. Common sense. The cop doesn't want to die, Shepard has an offer going on, Justicars are treated with respect. Of course the cop is just gonna sit and wait. Why waste time putting a Justicar in a cell if she doesn't need to be one? She's not even handcuffed. You really think the average asari criminal is allowed to lesiurely sit like that? They know Samara will keep her word (it's what Justicars do) and stay there for the day or until Shepard shows up. Just like if they tried to arrest her they know Samara would've fought them. The cop was willing to do that because Shepard needed Samara and Samara was willing to concede joining her in the station. She probably didn't want to push her luck either. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 juillet 2011 - 06:07 .

[GreedIgnored]

Ryzaki wrote...

GreedIgnored wrote...

Power level biotics:

Paul Grayson (Reaper Avatar)
Saren (after Reaper implants)
Benezia
Samara/Morinth (Samara is just a little stronger than her)
Jack
Liara (Liara wins Jack in biotic control/precision)
Adept Shepard
Wrex
Miranda
Kaidan
Jacob
Thane

Saren was a biotic? HOW DID I MISS THAT! 

lol in Virmire  he battles you and throws Warps like crazy.

[Ahriman]

[quote]Ryzaki wrote...

The YMIRS were *not* trying to kill her. They were trying to capture her like everyone else was on that ship. "Do not kill Jack" was the orders. Shepard on the other hand was too much trouble to be kept alive. (really don't know why that idiot didn't see that in the first place). [/quote]
Everyone got order to keep Jack after that, YMIRs were ready to fire when she striked them.
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She's only on that table because of her offer. She would not be there if she had not went willingly with the cop. Common sense. The cop doesn't want to die, Shepard has an offer going on. Of course the cop is just gonna sit and wait. Why waste time putting a Justicar in a cell if she doesn't need to be one? She's not even handcuffed. You really think the average asari criminal is allowed to lesiurely sit like that? They know Samara will keep her word and stay there for the day or until Shepard shows up. Just like if they tried to arrest her they know Samara would've fought them. 
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No, she said that Code forbids her to be in cell. At the moment they'd try to put her there they would be dead.

Modifié par Wizz, 13 juillet 2011 - 06:05 .

[Ryzaki]

Wizz wrote...

Everyone got order to keep Jack after that, YMIRs were ready to fire when she striked them.

You really think the YMIRs were going to attack her fatally? They're not humans. I have no doubt they (unlike the soliders) were programmed from the beginning to only subdue her. A YMMIR mech doesn't work off voice commands. (At least that's not seen in game). And all they do is go towards her probably in an attempt to intimdate her into surrendering. (the average person is defenseless against a mech. Maybe they didn't think she would be so strong after so recently being unfrozen.) Scene. 

They just stare at her as she lunges at them. They flex those claws yet don't fire? I wonder why. You don't hear any gunfire either despite the fact that she clearly exposes her back to one of them. 

Longer scene. 

1: 15 in 

You still here NO gunfire. YMIR mechs do not need to move that close in to fire. One's at point blank rage yet moves closer instead of firing? It's obvious she took the one infront of her out first, giving the other two plenty of seconds to fire..yet...they don't? Unlike people they wouldn't have been shocked. There's no reason for the pause unless they were ordered NOT to kill her. 

No, she said that Code forbids her to be in cell. At the moment they'd try to put her there they would be dead.

Which is why they let her sit on the table. She's not actually truly under arrest because the guard happens to like living. She's just waiting for Shepard. (actually she says her code compels her to go with the cop for one day because the guard has to follow orders (and she can't make the guard disobey them) before her code compels her to escape  which is the day she gives Shepard to give her the information). 

GreedIgnored wrote...
lol in Virmire  he battles you and throws Warps like crazy.

Holy crap I'm a ******. I missed that completey .

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 juillet 2011 - 06:31 .

[GreedIgnored]

[quote]Wizz wrote...

[quote]Ryzaki wrote...

The YMIRS were *not* trying to kill her. They were trying to capture her like everyone else was on that ship. "Do not kill Jack" was the orders. Shepard on the other hand was too much trouble to be kept alive. (really don't know why that idiot didn't see that in the first place). [/quote]
Everyone got order to keep Jack after that, YMIRs were ready to fire when she striked them.
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ACTUALLY you never even hear the YMIRS shoot, just that they turn to look at Jack. 

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Ser Bard wrote...

I remember reading somewhere (the wiki I think so take this with a pinch of salt) Shepard didn't receive implants until after entering the military by which time L3 implants were used.

I think there's also a double exposure to eezo. One before birth and another at 17.

Actually the Mass Effect wiki is pretty accurate. This is because a) The developers themselves use it and  while it may not be true anymore; it has been known that developers updated information themselves.

A good example was Stormwaltz (I think former writer Chris L'etolle?) actually making posts indicating what time Shephard would have got his implants, and he made those posts from BioWare's own 'Mass Effect bible' that they used in-house.