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[Ryzaki]

GreedIgnored wrote...

ACTUALLY you never even hear the YMIRS shoot, just that they turn to look at Jack. 

Even despite her conviently exposing her back to one of them.  They have so much time to shoot at her that them not doing so can't be anything other than a command. They have 20 seconds (and I'm being generous and not counting the time they're watching her squirm out of her restraints) to fire. They're mechs. They don't get the human excuse of being all "O_O" at her getting out. That's plenty of time for them to begin firing. (especially considering they stare at her the whole time she's squirming and completely helpless. If they wanted to kill her she'd be dead. She was defensless for about half a minute.)

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 juillet 2011 - 06:39 .

[D.Kain]

This game makes a poor job of making the main character look cool lol. There are better soldiers, better tech experts, better infiltraitors and better biotics on the team.



Anyway I think Shepard has some descent biotic potential.

1) Kaidan said that Shepard is either the same level or a stronger biotic than he is. So he was probably at the level of an weak to average asari commando level. Now a descent biotic amp could make him quite a bit better.

2) As biotic implant name suggests, Shepard was fitted with a new better version, when he was ressurected. So in ME2 he is probably average to strong asari commando level. And with those biotic amp upgrades could be even stronger.

So Shepard is basically somewhere in top tier of most modern and best human biotics. All of Shepard's upgrades where probably safe though. I guess Jack is stronger because she was infused with unsafe upgrades as well and she probably reaches levels of some Asari matriarchs.

[Ahriman]

Ryzaki wrote...
You really think the YMIRs were going to attack her fatally? They're not humans. I have no doubt they (unlike the soliders) were programmed from the beginning to only subdue her. A YMMIR mech doesn't work off voice commands. (At least that's not seen in game). And all they do is go towards her probably in an attempt to intimdate her into surrendering. (the average person is defenseless against a mech. Maybe they didn't think she would be so strong after so recently being unfrozen.) Scene. 

They just stare at her as she lunges at them. They flex those claws yet don't fire? I wonder why. You don't hear any gunfire either despite the fact that she clearly exposes her back to one of them. 

Longer scene. 

1: 15 in 

You still here NO gunfire. YMIR mechs do not need to move that close in to fire. One's at point blank rage yet moves closer instead of firing? It's obvious she took the one infront of her out first, giving the other two plenty of seconds to fire..yet...they don't? Unlike people they wouldn't have been shocked. There's no reason for the pause unless they were ordered NOT to kill her.

Artistic effect for adding drama. What can do YMIR to stop someone? Only shoot in legs, because they don't have anything to catch her, they are battle robots, not police ones.

Modifié par Wizz, 13 juillet 2011 - 06:47 .

[Ryzaki]

Wizz wrote...
Artistic effect for adding drama. What can do YMIR to stop someone? Only shoot in legs, because they don't have anything to catch her, they are battle robots, not police ones.

If you wanna go "artistic effort" one could say the same thing about her destroying the mechs period.  

What can a mech do to stop someone. What else? She's unarmed. Without her biotics she's just a skinny girl. They'd box her in. (I doubt her biotics would've been allowed to be as strengthened as they were if they moved her. They more than likely would've drugged her). 

And they're probably for intimidation. I doubt any of the guards actually expected to not be there when she was released. They probably had some sort of tranquilization device. The mechs were most likely there for additional security. In case the tranq to a while to kick in. 

Them sitting there staring as she struggles out of her restraints makes no sense unless they were trying to keep her alive. Any YMIR mech Shepard faces starts firing far further away than those mechs were from Jack, and far sooner as well. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 juillet 2011 - 06:53 .

[D.Kain]

I can't actually find the information on the Asari biotics regarding upgrades. Do Asari use implants, bio amps and surgery to improve their biotics? It seems that they are just using their raw potential that they can control due to their different nervous system. Maybe they could surpass other species biotics even further if they used upgrades.

[Ahriman]

Ryzaki wrote...
What can a mech do to stop someone. What else? She's unarmed. Without her biotics she's just a skinny girl. They'd box her in. (I doubt her biotics would've been allowed to be as strengthened as they were if they moved her. They more than likely would've drugged her). 

And they're probably for intimidation. I doubt any of the guards actually expected to not be there when she was released. They probably had some sort of tranquilization device. The mechs were most likely there for additional security. 

Intimidate Jack? Come on, prison chief is an idiot but not that much. :happy:

[Ryzaki]

Wizz wrote...
Intimidate Jack? Come on, prison chief is an idiot but not that much. :happy:

He thought he could safely capture Shepard. 

He is that much of an idiot.  

Usually you can tell someone has sense by the fact that they're not trying to ****** Shepard off. 

D.Kain wrote...

I can't actually find the information on the Asari biotics regarding upgrades. Do Asari use implants, bio amps and surgery to improve their biotics? It seems that they are just using their raw potential that they can control due to their different nervous system. Maybe they could surpass other species biotics even further if they used upgrades.

 

In ME1 Nassana gives Shepard some biotic amp licenses (or something. I know it helped me buy some special amps) for helping her out. So the Asari do design biotic amps. And I believe Liara can use some. So...maybe. 
Wait...wiki

All asari are naturally biotic to some degree, and though not all choose to develop their abilities, those who do pursue training usually display formidable ability. They do not require implants to use biotics effectively, nor do they need to undergo special training to acquire conscious neural control; their reproductive physiology grants them this ability from birth. Biotic ability is mandatory for asari who want to go into military service. The most powerful train as asari commandos.

So...I guess they don't have to but they do if they want to? ...I dunno. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 juillet 2011 - 07:04 .

[D.Kain]

Maybe they design bio implants for other species for credits?

I was just wondering if asari would get stronger using all sorts of amps and implants. If they would, then there would probably be no way for humans to get the same level biotics.

Edit: So basically what I'm saying is it would make sense for Shepard or any other biotic to be as strong as asari only if they even it up with implants. And if asari can boost their biotics as well then it can't be achieved.

Example:

Human

biotic potential = 1
Biotic potential with implant = 3
With implant and bio amp = 4

Asari

biotic potential = 5
Doesn't use biotic enchansers.



Does that make sense?

Modifié par D.Kain, 13 juillet 2011 - 07:23 .

[Ryzaki]

D.Kain wrote...

Maybe they design bio implants for other species for credits?

I was just wondering if asari would get stronger using all sorts of amps and implants. If they would, then there would probably be no way for humans to get the same level biotics.

Edit: So basically what I'm saying is it would make sense for Shepard or any other biotic to be as strong as asari only if they even it up with implants. And if asari can boost their biotics as well then it can't be achieved.

Example:

Human

biotic potential = 1
Biotic potential with implant = 3
With implant and bio amp = 4

Asari

biotic potential = 5
Doesn't use biotic enchansers.



Does that make sense?

Yeah I get what you're saying. 

If Asari don't use implants humans have no chance of every truly being equal to a Asari when it comes to biotics because all they'd have to do is start increasing their already strong natural ability with implants as well. 

Huh...I'm curious now myself. I believe Liara *can* use implants...but does Benezia? Does Samara? (she does benefit from the biotic strength boost I believe...but gameplay and all...) 

[D.Kain]

Ryzaki wrote...

Yeah I get what you're saying. 

If Asari don't use implants humans have no chance of every truly being equal to a Asari when it comes to biotics because all they'd have to do is start increasing their already strong natural ability with implants as well. 

Huh...I'm curious now myself. I believe Liara *can* use implants...but does Benezia? Does Samara? (she does benefit from the biotic strength boost I believe...but gameplay and all...) 

Maybe asari just consider it unethical to use bionics on their ''so perfect'' organisms, when they already have a big potential.

This thing about every biotic including Liara being able to use bio-amps in ME1 ruins it a little though.

[Ryzaki]

D.Kain wrote...
Maybe asari just consider it unethical to use bionics on their ''so perfect'' organisms, when they already have a big potential. 

This thing about every biotic including Liara being able to use bio-amps in ME1 ruins it a little though.

But Liara's the *only* Asari. It makes sense that Shep/Kaidan would need to use amps. Though they could've just disabled it...though players would've complained about her biotics not being able to be boosted (maybe they could've given her a skill tree)? 

UGH. Why can't Shep  ask Samara if she uses implants? 

[D.Kain]

Ryzaki wrote...
UGH. Why can't Shep  ask Samara if she uses implants? 

Because she would biotic slap him.

On a serious note. This was already talked about a million times. Having refference to Shepard being a biotic is very little or is not there at all. More quotes reffering to that and exploring that would be very nice.

Modifié par D.Kain, 13 juillet 2011 - 07:57 .

[Ryzaki]

D.Kain wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
UGH. Why can't Shep  ask Samara if she uses implants? 

Because she would biotic slap him.

On a serious note. This was already talked about a million times. Having refference to Shepard being a biotic is very little or is not there at all. More quotes reffering to that and exploring that would be very nice.

It would be. 

I at least want at least how much stronger has Shepard's biotic abilities became. 

[D.Kain]

Well if you go by the implant number, it should be + 20-30% more power.

[StellarMagic]

Simply that implants and amps are not the same thing. Implants allow a user to use biotics that don't naturally have the nervous system to do so. An amplifier is actually worn and acts as a sort of booster for biotics, it's not an actual implant.

[Kadzin]

D.Kain wrote...

Maybe they design bio implants for other species for credits?

I was just wondering if asari would get stronger using all sorts of amps and implants. If they would, then there would probably be no way for humans to get the same level biotics.

Edit: So basically what I'm saying is it would make sense for Shepard or any other biotic to be as strong as asari only if they even it up with implants. And if asari can boost their biotics as well then it can't be achieved.

Example:

Human

biotic potential = 1
Biotic potential with implant = 3
With implant and bio amp = 4
Shepard = OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Asari

biotic potential = 5
Doesn't use biotic enchansers.



Does that make sense?

fixed it for ya ^^

[D.Kain]

StellarMagic wrote...

Simply that implants and amps are not the same thing. Implants allow a user to use biotics that don't naturally have the nervous system to do so. An amplifier is actually worn and acts as a sort of booster for biotics, it's not an actual implant.

Well bio amps are actually inserted INTO the implant, soo you have to have both.


@Kadzin

[Dracora]

Sshodan wrote...

Yes, they did upgrade the implants and that is, I believe is what Shep mentioned.
To "upgrade" the human biotic potential it'll take some serious alterations that don't do any favors to the persons mental stability - just look at Jacks story. Crazy Shep was useless to Cerberus.
If L2 already gave the best output for the human ability than that's it - the top of the meter, and best anyone but a crazy experiment can get. With the new implants we are the best that a sane, non experimental human biotic can be.
I get it that you want to kick the assari matriarch's butt, but realistically speaking it would not be wise to make Shep the new "biotic god". We are given a good amount of pover, but Jack is more powerful than we are, and so are a lot of asari I believe - for humans biotics are not natural, when for asari it is an essential part of who they are as a race..

You're assuming that L2 (that's second gen little prior research) implants are the most powerful in mass effect assencion. They state that the L4 used advanced VI to help the user control their fields so theoretically giving them more control of more potent biotics. L5's being the next gen we can assume they have made improvements to this.

Yes I know Kaiden stated L2's spike higher than L3's Shepard being the exception. So we can assume after the L2 side effect debacle they probably designed them to spike lower intentionally thats not to say further generations don't spike even higher and with the VI helping to control the fields reduce the side effects the higher spikes produce.

That said Shep obviously has a high natural ability as he spiked as high or higher than an L2 as an L3 so is he as powerful as Jack? Lets look...Gillian just recived various drug treatments these are implied to affect her autism as once she stopped receiving the drugs she seemed to get better so the emotional side effects of the drugs seem to be temporary however the biotic potential seem to remain the level the drugs put her at so while Shepard was in a coma and had no need for emotions did they administer these drugs? Nothings been said yet, but I wouldn't put it past cerberus.

[Eyerock]

Im guessing that Shepard's biotics are as powerfull as an Asari's, maybe even more so. However, seeing as he prefers using a gun or brute force during dialogue, he may not be as skilled in its use as most other biotics and asari. Shepard seemingly isnt able to do intricate things like floating or creating big biotic shields. Thus his biotic powers are limited to use in combat, where they serve as an immense destructive force, nothing else.

[Kadzin]

I think from Gameplay perspective Shepard is a stronger biotic then asari, you can compare him to Liara isn LotSB and Samara in ME2 and it's pretty obvious.
It only becomes difficult when you figh Vasir and it becomes obvious who is a more skilled biotic.
She is a boss of course and for those reasons has many layers of defense, but her use of biotic charge during the fight, mass effect fields to prevent the fall from the window and when she jumps into her car, it all shows that she is a more precise and skill biotic then Shepard is.
Asari have hundreds of years to refine their abilities, shepard had what? maybe 10-20 years at most.

[CC-Tron]

Kadzin wrote...

It only becomes difficult when you figh Vasir and it becomes obvious who is a more skilled biotic.
She is a boss of course and for those reasons has many layers of defense, but her use of biotic charge during the fight, mass effect fields to prevent the fall from the window and when she jumps into her car, it all shows that she is a more precise and skill biotic then Shepard is.

Shepard has never used biotics in a cutscene. Plot wise Shep is a straight soldier for the most part. 

[Dariustwinblade]

Adept Shepard is definately stronger than Jack, Samara or Liara.

Shepard is the best specter in the galaxy. Above Nihlus who in turn is equal to Samara.

Jack needs an L5x implant and loyalty to equal Samara and safely pass the seeker swarm.

Shepard can use L5x to produce a micro-singularity which is the most powerful biotic move in the game.

My opinion
Adept shepard
Benezia
Samara
Liara/Visir
Jack (sorry girl you don't compare to Asari biotic masters )

Both Liara and Visir were pretty much equals in the cutscenes.

Vasir blasted Shepard with a biotic charged glass. Liara defended the whole squad with a Barrier.

Vasir used that Biotic floating ability. So did Liara, lets not forget she tore through the merc army to get to Visir before you.

Heck in redemption she killed armies of blue sun mercs to get to Shepards body. After talking to the shadow broker enraged she blasted and tore the room to shreads from mearly releasing her biotic potential. She did what Jack did without even trying.

The problem is Shep never had the magical super power of cutscenes or comic panel.