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[Squidbreath]

Aye mate. When peeps give you their background story, It'd be a bit pointless if it wasn't related to something

[TheKillerAngel]

I don't think the Wrex and Aleena would fight each other if they saw each other. The Volus who contracted Wrex to kill Aleena is dead, and since his protection needs vanish with his death, the contract ceases to be valid.

[Jeth Prime]

LPPrince wrote...

Jeth Prime wrote...
There's nothing there.

Aleena-

*A mercenary friend of Wrex
*Got contracted to kill Wrex as he was contracted to kill her
*Fought on a ship till she found a way to escape and avoid killing Wrex
*Left him a note saying "Better luck next time"

Aria-

*Says she was a mercenary in the past
*Says that Patriarch isn't the first krogan she's pissed off
*Says "Sometimes you'd rather disappear than be forced to kill someone"
*Says "Better luck next time" to Shepard when he stops digging into her past

As far as her name is concerned, Aria says she's had a few. So-

If Aria isn't Aleena, I'll be surprised.

There's too many hints for this to be accidental.

*There are lots of asrai mercs.
*Aleena didn't ****** Wrex off. "They had a good laugh" about the contract. And there are plenty of pissed off krogans out there. Namely, all of them.
*She has no reason to kill him. The guy who hired Wrex is dead.
*I can say better luck next time, all I want. Doesn't make me Aleena.

*Aleena was a "big softy", according to Wrex, when it came to inocent bystanders. Aria is far from that.
*It was Wrex, who was about to kill Aleena. Not the other way around. Again, he no longer has reason to.
*I doubt a merc like Wrex has never visited Omega.

Nothing there.

[Jeth Prime]

alperez wrote...

Jeth

Its the little similarities that make all the difference, the things Wrex said about Aleena and the things Aria said about herself are similar enough for the 2 to mesh.

Of course there are other mercs, and of course she doesn't say her real name was Aleena if she did that would be pretty poor writing and miss the point of revealing it later.

What could Wrex have said when he spoke about Aleena, he told you a story and that was it, did you want the story to end, Her name is Aria and she's a showgirl.

Why would Aria who's protected her real idenitity and who reveals only a small bit about herself reveal in conversation to Shepard who she really is, oh btw say hello to Wrex for me, I'm Aleena don't you know, may have been a facepalm moment.

The whole point of things was to give you just enough info to speculate without blatantly coming right out and saying this is Aleena, its to give you the possibility so when its revealed (if its revealed) you don't just go, WTF.

There are almost 0 similarities.... Not much to soeculate anything. But, what about the differences? And the things that wouldn't make sence? The things I've said like 4 times already, on this thread.

[Jeth Prime]

Squidbreath wrote...

Aye mate. When peeps give you their background story, It'd be a bit pointless if it wasn't related to something

You can ask nearly every person you can talk to in the game, about they're past, or a personal question....

[alperez]

Jeth

Of course there are differences between what one person says about another person its a different POV. Wrex calls Aleena a big softy so therefore she can't be Aria because Aria is not soft, really thats what you cling to?

The fact that there are other Asari mercs out there means Aria who tells us she used to be an Asari merc eliminates her from being Aleena, how exactly?

Wrex states they had a laugh over the contract and that Immediately relegates Aria's line about pissing off Krogans to mean nothing, they did have a laugh at first then they tried to kill each other, Wrex chased her all over the station trying to kill her, if thats not the standard definition of a pissed off krogan then i don't know what is.

Aria using the exact same phrase as Wrex said Aleena used in her note to him means nothing because anyone can use that phrase, seriously?

There are similarities in both what Wrex says about Aleena and what Aria says about her own history, if you can't see them or refuse to see them then nothing anyone will say will make you think differently.

But what would have convinced you, Aria wearing a t-shirt with I AM ALEENA imprinted on it.

The similarities are there for a reason, to allow you the player pick up on those similarities so when the reveal is later done you don't sit there with a no freaking way look on your face.

They are clues and nothing more, subtle little hints that this could in fact be the case, by the sound of things you want the actual evidence to be produced in both Wrex's story and the info Aria gives you which kinda defeats the purpose of setting up the reveal in the first place.

That reveal is saved for the last game and will be a little nod to those people who played both games, the people who
didn't play both or who didn't get the same conversations will not get the reveal because they didn't do the legwork in the first place. Or maybe they won't actually reveal it at all leaving us to continually speculate which would be frustrating but fun.

Modifié par alperez, 14 juillet 2011 - 02:58 .

[AngelicMachinery]

The Mass Effect universe is extremely tiny.

[Blitzkrieg0811]

Old news. This has been speculation since 2010.

[Someone With Mass]

Blitzkrieg0811 wrote...

Old news. This has been speculation since 2010.

Since the first time in history when she uttered the words: "Better luck next time".

[Jeth Prime]

alperez wrote...

Jeth

Of course there are differences between what one person says about another person its a different POV. Wrex calls Aleena a big softy so therefore she can't be Aria because Aria is not soft, really thats what you cling to?

The fact that there are other Asari mercs out there means Aria who tells us she used to be an Asari merc eliminates her from being Aleena, how exactly?

Wrex states they had a laugh over the contract and that Immediately relegates Aria's line about pissing off Krogans to mean nothing, they did have a laugh at first then they tried to kill each other, Wrex chased her all over the station trying to kill her, if thats not the standard definition of a pissed off krogan then i don't know what is.

Aria using the exact same phrase as Wrex said Aleena used in her note to him means nothing because anyone can use that phrase, seriously?

There are similarities in both what Wrex says about Aleena and what Aria says about her own history, if you can't see them or refuse to see them then nothing anyone will say will make you think differently.

But what would have convinced you, Aria wearing a t-shirt with I AM ALEENA imprinted on it.

The similarities are there for a reason, to allow you the player pick up on those similarities so when the reveal is later done you don't sit there with a no freaking way look on your face.

They are clues and nothing more, subtle little hints that this could in fact be the case, by the sound of things you want the actual evidence to be produced in both Wrex's story and the info Aria gives you which kinda defeats the purpose of setting up the reveal in the first place.

That reveal is saved for the last game and will be a little nod to those people who played both games, the people who
didn't play both or who didn't get the same conversations will not get the reveal because they didn't do the legwork in the first place. Or maybe they won't actually reveal it at all leaving us to continually speculate which would be frustrating but fun.

And what you you clinging to, exactly?
She pissed off some krogan a while back?
They both say "better luck next time"?

Pfft.... No. Wrex wasn't pissed. It was a contract kill. Just another job for him.... There was no hard feelings between the two.

Wrex, a good friend of Aleena's, saying that she's a big softy, is saying a lot.... Especially considering that it's one of the only things we know about her....

No. The fact that they are asari mercs, doesn't mean anything.

You talked about what they've said to support you theory, yet dismniss the things they've said that I bring up? Doesn't help your reasoning.

These "clues" are fan made. Nothing more.

[rolson00]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Blitzkrieg0811 wrote...

Old news. This has been speculation since 2010.

Since the first time in history when she uttered the words: "Better luck next time".

for me it was how she is with the little people helping them get in touch with shepard

[essarr71]

Wasn't Aria being Aleena confirmed in one of the books? In any case, I thought it was painfully obvious that she was. Almost disgustingly obvious. And a pretty cool connection.

[alperez]

Jeth Prime wrote...


]And what you you clinging to, exactly?
She pissed off some krogan a while back?
They both say "better luck next time"?

Pfft.... No. Wrex wasn't pissed. It was a contract kill. Just another job for him.... There was no hard feelings between the two.

Wrex, a good friend of Aleena's, saying that she's a big softy, is saying a lot.... Especially considering that it's one of the only things we know about her....

No. The fact that they are asari mercs, doesn't mean anything.

You talked about what they've said to support you theory, yet dismniss the things they've said that I bring up? Doesn't help your reasoning.

These "clues" are fan made. Nothing more.

Firstly not clinging to anything, whether its revealed or not isn't something i'm overly concered about and certainly not something i cling to.

Secondly, Yes i agree Wrex was not pissed, it was just another contract to him and meant nothing to him personally, however having a krogan chasing you through a station trying to kill you fits perfectly with the phrase not the first Krogan i've pissed off. Its not supposed to be taking as a reference to the mindset of Wrex but more a reference to the actions he takes in trying to kill her.

Wrex saying an Aleena who he knew sometime in the past as an Asari merc who did the same line of work he did was a big softy means nothing in relation to both the Aria she became and the context overall. Wrex would probably have considered Shepard a big Softy and if he was describing Shepard to someone else may use the same phrase, the fact of the matter is though not only is it Wrex's percepton we're talking about but its the perception of who Aleena was not who she would later become.

On the face of it the fact that both Aleena and Aria were Asari mercs means absolutely nothing i completely agree, however its the fact that this along with other things Aria says that add context to the situation overall. Other people may have been Asari mercs but they don't qualify that with other pieces of information that fit into the overall picture.

I don't dismiss the things you've said in relation to what both characters say and what differences they bring up, rather what i've said is that we have 2 characters giving us information from 2 seperate pov's, its up to us the player to decide if what they're saying completely contradicts and eliminates the possibility that they are in fact talking abou the same thing.
 
Character A sees events in one way, character B in another its up to us to examine events and decide if the events tally up and if what they say completely contradicts each persons version of event, since in this case Wrex is speaking about Aleena and his perception of both the character and events and Aria is speaking about her backstory without talking about specific events of course not both stories would completely add up, hell if Wrex and Aria were both talking about the exact same event from thier perspective of it, it still wouldn't completely add up.

Think about it like this, if Tali was speaking about Shepard's role in the events thus far it would be completely different to Garrus's version of Shepard's role thus far, you have 2 different viewpoints from 2 characters with different personalities and perspective, does this mean that both these characters would be talking about a differnt Shepard?

You say these clues are simply fan made but the clues were put there not by a fan but by the writers, the analysis and the conclussions may be fan made but the clues themselves are not.

Bioware have Wrex tell a story about his encounte with Aleena, they then have Aria tell some facts about her past that in some aspects mesh up with the story Wrex told us, including the line "Better luck Next Time" when you press her for more info, the very same line that Aleena uses in her not to Wrex.

Why out of all the Asaris we meet and interact with is Aria the one to use this line?

Why does a lot of what Aria says mesh up with Wrex's story?

It could of course be a red herring or have no meaning whatsoever, it could be Bioware just messing with people or people jumping to conclussions, but the fact that certain aspects mesh up make it more likely that its not conincedental but purposely done.

[Jeth Prime]

You're killing me with these long posts, man!!!! ....

If I'm wrong, cool. But I seriously don't recognize any hints. And considering many of the factors, it just doesn't make any sense.

[alperez]

Jeth Prime wrote...

You're killing me with these long posts, man!!!! ....

If I'm wrong, cool. But I seriously don't recognize any hints. And considering many of the factors, it just doesn't make any sense.

Well if i try to explain your points in simple sentences it comes across as dismissive and not actually taking your points on board at all, so sorry.

I get you don't see the hints or believe them, thats fine, your game your perogative, i do see them and believe but then its my game my perogative.

The beauty of it is, we can both be right or wrong and it won't make the slightest amount of difference to either of us.

[ThePwener]

Aria IS Aleena.

[FERMi27]

If you ask me:
Even if initially Aleena's and Aria's similarities in behaviour and/or "biography" were just a coincidence, the devs, seeing how far the speculaton went, and how many people actually believe in it, will definitely make it true. I have no doubt in it.

[ThePwener]

Yeah, just like they made that Asari bartender Liara's "dad" just because people got the ridiculous idea into they're minds. Unbelivable....

[FERMi27]

ThePwener wrote...

Yeah, just like they made that Asari bartender Liara's "dad" just because people got the ridiculous idea into they're minds. Unbelivable....

I'll agree on that, it's a stupidity and a shame. Wth? Liara's "dad" works in the next-door bar?
But with Aleena and Aria, I think it's a much more serious connection. And, most importantly, it doesn't look nor sound ridiculous to me.

[essarr71]

FERMi27 wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

Yeah, just like they made that Asari bartender Liara's "dad" just because people got the ridiculous idea into they're minds. Unbelivable....

I'll agree on that, it's a stupidity and a shame. Wth? Liara's "dad" works in the next-door bar?

It's stupid to think an ostracized parent would stay close to their child, even if it meant taking up a crappy job across the street from where they work?  Yeah, that's horrible storytelling.  Even if they made up the connection on they fly, they at least had it make sense.  Aethyta gives a pretty good reason to abandon her matriarcal duties, as well as perhaps give a clue as to the falling out with Benezia.

I like how it mirrors things tho.  People love Wrex's backstory so Bioware throws a bone to it.  People speak up about who Liara's dad is and Bioware lets you know.. but hey, "unbelievable" ya?

Modifié par essarr71, 14 juillet 2011 - 04:44 .

[Jeth Prime]

alperez wrote...

Jeth Prime wrote...

You're killing me with these long posts, man!!!! ....

If I'm wrong, cool. But I seriously don't recognize any hints. And considering many of the factors, it just doesn't make any sense.

Well if i try to explain your points in simple sentences it comes across as dismissive and not actually taking your points on board at all, so sorry.

I get you don't see the hints or believe them, thats fine, your game your perogative, i do see them and believe but then its my game my perogative.

The beauty of it is, we can both be right or wrong and it won't make the slightest amount of difference to either of us.

No need to apologize. It was a joke.

[didymos1120]

ThePwener wrote...

Yeah, just like they made that Asari bartender Liara's "dad" just because people got the ridiculous idea into they're minds. Unbelivable....

So you assume.  It's just as possible that she was always intended to be, and people picked up on a genuine, deliberately planted clue.

[luzburg]

The conections are there. so hopefully she is

[alperez]

Jeth Prime wrote...

]No need to apologize. It was a joke.

Ah humour, we have dismissed these claims (sorry couldn't resist lol).

[alperez]

didymos1120 wrote...

So you assume.  It's just as possible that she was always intended to be, and people picked up on a genuine, deliberately planted clue.

See there you go using logical thinking to explain your point, haven't you figured out that internet forums and logical thinking are mutually exclusive.

Seriously though bioware put some clues in place in me2 that show Aethya may be Liara's father, they then in LOSB show what looks to be Aethya looking at Liara's picture and people argue that its not Bioware putting these things in place but fans and thier rabid imaginations. We have so much power over Bioware that we subliminally made them write a character, place that character in a place we may meet up and then get that character to offer up info about themselves that suggest they may in fact be the parent of a pivotal character who just happens to not know that parent.

If you'll forgive me i'm now about to use this incredible power we as fans have to ensure that Ashley not only gets to use her boomstick but when Shepard defeats the reapers she will also utter "hail to the king, baby"