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[John Epler]

Let's get off this tangent right now, how about?

And, yes, the sort of language that's being used is unacceptable.

[ipgd]

MeAndMySandvich wrote...

Hey, man, don't use that word. Apparently it's "****-shaming."

Context.

[MeAndMySandvich]

RinjiRenee wrote...
Sl*tshaming at its finest.

Wait... so implying that someone who got an STD probably did something wrong is bad, but making a game where you play up a character's promiscuity for laughs, but then explain (LOL TWIST) that it's actually the result of trauma (because apparently no woman would ever want to have a lot of sex unless there's something wrong with her) isn't?

[MeAndMySandvich]

ipgd wrote...

MeAndMySandvich wrote...

Hey, man, don't use that word. Apparently it's "****-shaming."

Context.

Read the post. It's That Word Which Shall Not Be Spoken on BSN-shaming in context, too.

[AtreiyaN7]

*facepalms at the last couple of pages* I'm just going to ignore all of that...as far as my mage femHawke went, I thought Anders was the most appropriate match by virtue of being a fellow mage and apostate. *shrug* Similar interests & commonalities (except for the part where Anders is a terrorist with a Fade spirit/demon in him) - heh.

[berelinde]

Frybread76 wrote...
Sorry, but not everyone gets STD's.  They are very easy to avoid with a little common sense and honesty.

Last I checked, no one had come out with definitive proof that Thedas has barrier methods of prophylaxis. And even if these methods were available, they would be based on animal membranes, which are more or less useless against disease transmission.

A person can be a paragon of honesty, but there is nothing to guarantee that his partners will be. All it takes is one little white lie. Consider also that the person might not know he's infected. Some diseases have long incubation periods. Others might never present with symptoms. Over 75% of people with herpes cannot trace their infection to a partner. Probably because the virus is so often present on the skin without causing symptoms.

Why am I even bothering? Some people are determined to treat biological phenomena as character flaws. People once thought the Bubonic Plague was a mark of divine displeasure sent to destroy the wicked.

[beckaliz]

If you're making a video... Well... this sounds bad, but it would more logically be Fenris for non-mage and Anders for mage.

I partly say this because, as discriminatory as it seems, all the trailers and previews and blahblah all have a male protagonist. So just as male protagonist trumps female in promotional stuff, so too does a f/m relationship. I'm not advocating that this is the way it should always be, by any means, I'm simply giving my opinion on what the mainstream standards are.

Modifié par beckaliz, 14 juillet 2011 - 10:07 .

[JaegerBane]

Isabela. For anyone. She's the only romance in DA2 that actually makes any sense.

Yeah, yeah, so the girl has been around and might have picked up something.... so what. That's what being a Spirit Healer if for, chum.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Thane flying down from space to spend his last year with FemHawke would make the most sense, considering how DA 2 was put together you might as well involve a race of space lizardmen and crossovers with Mass Effect 2.

[Kidd]

I quite like Anders friendmance and Merrill rivalmance for LadyHawke =)

[Rawr23]

For a female Hawke, I normally choose to romance Isabella (because she's just plain fun and she has one of my favorite attitudes/backstories in the game). For a male Hawke, my first choice would be Fenris and, at a far, far away second, Aveline.

As for which makes the most sense, that depends on the player. For my female Hawke, I played a sarcastic/witty rogue that chose to side with the templars. I believe, with this attitude, romancing Isabella makes the most sense because she is the most similar to the PC. She has a thick shell of humor and wit, but deep down, she's a softy.

If you were playing an agressive PC with something against magic, Fenris would be the best match and most believeable. However, if the PC is soft-hearted and feels sympathy for the mages of Kirkwall, Anders is the best bet. (He has one of the most heart-felt romances, bee tee dubs.)

If the PC is a no-nonsense kind of gal, Aveline is the match for her. If she's a spring "daisy" and curious and fun (perhaps a little dim-witted) Merrill all the way.

It all depends on Hawke's personality and gender preference.

Modifié par Rawr23, 14 juillet 2011 - 11:05 .

[Sinaxi]

This is something I've been considering a lot recently since I was going to start a playthrough and I honestly can't decide who I want with my Hawke. DA:O was soooo easy...as much as I loved Zevran I loved Alistair too much (especially playing a Human Noble where I get to be Queen )

I actually posted something about this on another thread and I'm lazy so I will just recopy it...(this is all from a Mage hawke/siding with mages perspective)

I honestly wonder how any type of
long-term relationship would work with a Mage Hawke/Fenris. I mean,
sure, he sticks by her at the end but can you IMAGINE how many more
"magic" arguments they are going to be having (even on friendship
romance) in the near future? How long would Fenris stick around to fight
Templars? And Anders...he'd definitely stay but how much deeper into
the cause is he going to get (if he can even go much deeper) and how
willing would he be to put everything else before Hawke?

Maybe
I'm crazy, since people would definitely disagree with this given
Isabela's background and everything that happened in Act 2 but she
honestly seems like the best romance option. She makes it pretty clear
in Act 3 that she'd rather side with mages, and also that she has plans
for her and Hawke and she won't let anything get in the way of that. It
seems like she would follow Hawke if it was Hawke's choice to keep up
the fight against Templars...she definitely proves her loyalty in my
opinion.

But eh, I'm just casually throwing out thoughts. If you
want to keep in line with the whole "tragic" vibe of DA2 Anders seems
like the best choice for a female Hawke, but I've always thought that
long-term Isabela is a pretty good option.

And yet I still can't decide.

[Sanguinerin]

I originally wanted to romance Anders, but then again I fell in love with both Fenris and Sebastian's voice actors. However, the romance that my Female Hawke ended up with was Isabela.

In terms of a full romance, Isabela is the only choice for me. Anders, Fenris, and Merrill are just too much. Sebastian would also be a fine choice if the romance could be acknowledged more.

Cullen would be ideal, because he's one of the few sane people in Kirkwall and he already had a thing for my similar-in-appearance Ferelden Circle Amell mage.

[themonty72]

None.

[maxernst]

I think Isabela is the only one of the lot that any sensible person would get involved with. Then again, I have a hard time viewing Hawke as particularly sensible, unless he's unusually lazy or self-absorbed.

[FieryDove]

maxernst wrote...

I think Isabela is the only one of the lot that any sensible person would get involved with.

I don't know, Isabela is a fun companion but not for romance. (For my Hawke's) I prefer faithful partners just like my characters would be.

[Sinaxi]

So...Isabela is incapable of being faithful because she's had plenty of sexual partners? Zevran from DA:O was the same way and remains faithful to the Warden.

[Sinuphro]

Isabela?! gross man...that's like a walking std. Almost any guy she sees is a potential john to bang. Screw that...there is no way I would sanely play a walkthrough with Isabela as my companion's lover. She hits on everybody...even Fenris and Anders.

[naddaya]

I like Isabela, STD or not. That's what the friggin healing potions are for.

[FieryDove]

Tidra wrote...

So...Isabela is incapable of being faithful because she's had plenty of sexual partners? Zevran from DA:O was the same way and remains faithful to the Warden.

Zev didn't continue to sleep around after romancing him. If the warden died Zev never loved again.  (Not counting the bugged cameo in da2). Quite a bit of difference between them. imho

[Sinaxi]

Uh..who does Isabela sleep with after "romancing" her? Incase you don't realize..you don't even get the "romanced" achievement until the end of the game, and it isn't until ACT 3 that Isabela finally admits to you and herself that she has fallen for you. Who in the world has she slept with since then unless you know something about the epilogue that I don't? It's completely different than Anders and Merrill who ADMIT their love in act 2 and move in, whereas Isabela DOES NOT.

Lol, and uh..Zev might not ever 'love' again but he sure as hell is going to be having sex again sometime in his life. Sex and love are not the same thing, especially to Isabela and Zevran.

Modifié par Tidra, 16 juillet 2011 - 03:14 .

[whykikyouwhy]

FieryDove wrote...

Tidra wrote...

So...Isabela is incapable of being faithful because she's had plenty of sexual partners? Zevran from DA:O was the same way and remains faithful to the Warden.

Zev didn't continue to sleep around after romancing him. If the warden died Zev never loved again.  (Not counting the bugged cameo in da2). Quite a bit of difference between them. imho

When you play out the full romance with Isabela, it's fairly clear that she is willing to love and be loved and to be dedicated to Hawke - but that story arc develops from Act 2 to Act 3 - you need to play it out to get to that nice result. If you're basing your "continue to sleep around" perspective on the fact that Hawke can sleep with Isabela and, if not pursing that romance, you hear that she and Fenris have had an intimate night, that may not be entirely fair. Hawke can sleep with any companion (save Sebastian) at least once and then opt to not continue the romance. We can fill in the blanks and determine that Merrill, Fenris, and Anders will find partners afterwards. That doesn't make any of them less faithful.

Hawke doesn't die in DA2, so we don't get an epilogue with a blurb about his/her LI "never loving again." But, we get the "everyone left, except ____ (insert LI name)," which to me is indicative of faithfulness and loyalty.

[Sinaxi]

It's funny but I think people are actually more stereotypical about Isabela than Zevran concerning the whole "sleeping around thing"..weird. Isabela was probably one of the most loyal companions imo, especially after her decision during the Qunari conflict. Just something about how she acts/what she says in the Last Straw was a lot more compassionate to me than how Anders or Fenris acted. (since I was a mage hawke it just felt odd having my LI side with me but at the same time hate mages lol) I felt like you actually saw real character development with Isabela...I didn't feel the same way about most of the other companions.

[berelinde]

If the PC does not have an active romance with either Isabela or Fenris, they will have a fling with each other, but this does not occur if there is a possibility of the PC getting back together with either one of them. So, if the PC sleeps with Isabela and never moves on to Anders or Merrill, Isabela will remain faithful. Of course, if the PC does move on to Anders or Merrill, Fenris and Izzy hook up.

I romanced Isabela as a friend during one playthrough. It was my second favorite romance, after romancing Anders as a friend. Much better, IMO than romancing Anders as a rival or romancing Fenris at all. I've never been able to bring myself to romance Merrill. She's cute, but my PCs tend to think of her as a sweet little sister.

[FieryDove]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

When you play out the full romance with Isabela, it's fairly clear that she is willing to love and be loved and to be dedicated to Hawke - but that story arc develops from Act 2 to Act 3 - you need to play it out to get to that nice result. If you're basing your "continue to sleep around" perspective on the fact that Hawke can sleep with Isabela and,

My game must have bugged. I only romanced Izzy, she still slept with others (Fen and Zev). Not a big deal as I don't intend to do it again.

Thanks for the heads up, good to know.