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[txgoldrush]

Seriously....it would actually work.

Most likely its set an Orlais and involve the Chantry, Leliana could easily be the protagonist as she is the head seeker and from Orlais.

She closes......(spoiler). Her death in DAO is retconned as well.

Leliana has been a protagonist before and it worked.

Leliana may be the franchises deepest and most multidimensional character. She easily smokes the rest of DAO's cast in depth and range of character. Having her own DLC really helped her character development.

She would easily augment the series religious themes, as she has a very mature and moderate take on her religious views. Also, forcing a good-aligned character to choose the lesser evil can make for an emotional engaging and poignant experience. Even have her question her faith or her church...and let the matters of her faith be player choice. And really, the diplomatic/sarcastic/aggressive system would work much better for her than it ever could do for Hawke as Leliana is more subtle about her aggressiveness. Her tone changes would be far less wild as well.

She is Morrigans foil, and if Morrigan is to play a future role, it would be great if her relationship with Leliana can develop from animosity to respect. Morrigan really needs more character development as she only truly develops a bit if romanced in Origins.

The only problem with making Leliana the protagonist is her class. To fix this, make her either be able to choose a class other than Rogue, or even make her classless. Give her the ability to learn any class skill (and let her learn magic through plot element). I would get rid of classes regardless in DAIII to bring even more customization options.

But making Leliana the protagonist for DAIII would be a downright ballsy move and a formula breaking one, and it would actually really work, considering her role in the Chantry and the setting of Orlais. She was 70% of the humanity of Origins and would give a DAIII far more humanity than an avergae epic tale.

The Witcher proves that sometimes a preset character is better for the story than a customizable avatar in a WRPG.

[Kaiser Shepard]

I don't think people want to play with an already established character, let alone one who might have been dead because of player choice.

[TEWR]

No thanks.


Leliana will most likely be either a returning companion or an important NPC.



And I would have to take a long leave of absence from the forums because of the massive ****storm that would ensue.

[Icy Magebane]

:lol::lol:

Hell no.  First off, you can't have a DA game with a female protagonist and no option for a male character.  Secondly, as awesome as some people may think this character is, myself and many others thinks that she sucks.  So no, Leliana won't be the protagonist... she'll probably be a companion but that's it.

[txgoldrush]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

I don't think people want to play with an already established character, let alone one who might have been dead because of player choice.

and the Warden may be dead as well.....

[csfteeeer]

people were already pissed that Hawke was just a Human.

if we were forced to play human female with a single class...
well i don't even want to think about it.

[frustratemyself]

Dear god no!

[txgoldrush]

csfteeeer wrote...

people were already pissed that Hawke was just a Human.

if we were forced to play human female with a single class...
well i don't even want to think about it.

like I said, make her classless....her customization options would skyrocket. Imagine the skill combos crossing the classes.

[TEWR]

like I said. Massive ****storm.



The Witcher series was established from the beginning with a voiced human male, so that's why it was successful. People knew what not to expect. People knew that they couldn't be a dwarf or an elf.


DA is the opposite. Some of the games will have a set protagonist whose gender and class can be chosen, while others will allow for Origin stories. At least that's how I see it.


If anything I'd like to see my idea for Origin stories be in DA3. I'll try and dig it up.

[bigrdog101]

Modifié par bigrdog101, 13 juillet 2011 - 08:52 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

txgoldrush wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

I don't think people want to play with an already established character, let alone one who might have been dead because of player choice.

and the Warden may be dead as well.....

Which I complained about back then as well. Hell, I occasionally still do. Just wanted to avoid spoilers that the OP hasn't mentioned himself already, as this is the no spoiler section.

And to add to the list of reasons we shouldn't have Leliana as the protagonist: dat accent.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 13 juillet 2011 - 08:53 .

[txgoldrush]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

I don't think people want to play with an already established character, let alone one who might have been dead because of player choice.

and the Warden may be dead as well.....

Which I complained about back then as well. Just wanted to avoid spoilers that the OP hasn't mentioned himself already, as this is the no spoiler section.

And to add to the list of reasons we shouldn't have Leliana as the protagonist: dat accent.

A good second option would be Cassandra

Bioware is setting her up to be important.

[Metalunatic]

Funny how you establish your oppinions as fact, OP. I have to disagree with most of your post, including your wish for Leliana to be the protagonist.

[Fallstar]

Nah, Leliana won't be the main PC. She is being set up to be an important NPC/Companion/Adversary however.

[txgoldrush]

Metalunatic wrote...

Funny how you establish your oppinions as fact, OP. I have to disagree with most of your post, including your wish for Leliana to be the protagonist.

Then who is a deeper and more well rounded party member in Origins then? Alistair comes closest, but even he is not on Leliana's level.

And why did Bioware choose Leliana to have her own DLC where she is the star while the rest of the cast did not?

[TEWR]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

First, I predict  (really it's actually me hoping) we'll be playing as a person who is recruited into the Seekers and can either:

A) Side with the Templars
Want the status quo to return
C) Side with the mages


Second, here's what I'd like to see depending on race:


1.) Human -- Warriors and rogues are from Nevarra. You're guards for the ruling family, the Pentaghasts, and your elite service catches the eye of the now broken Chantry. They are in dire need of more able people to help restore order, so they recruit you.


Mages on the other hand are a Tevinter slave. Your master abuses you and your family, and has gone so far to use your own sister as fodder for his spells. Fed up, you brutally slay him but are now awaiting execution. Many slaves have been planning another revolt for years and are now ready to do it if you are killed because you exacted justice, were friends with most of these slaves, and they too are fed up with Tevinter's system. Leliana, seeing what you did as justifiable and working undercover for the White Chantry, uses her bardic arts to persuade them to release you into her custody so as to avoid Tevinter facing another revolt. This revolt would destroy Tevinter.


2) Elf -- Warriors and Rogues are from Antiva. A former assassin of the Antivan Crows, you left that life long ago when you fulfilled your last contract against a corrupt noble planning to take over the Antivan throne. Haunted by your past killings, you keep convincing yourself that it was nothing personal. But you have killed men, women, and even children because the Crows told you to. At the local tavern in glorious Antiva City, you overhear something outside. You venture outside to find the noble who hired the Crows standing over your guildmaster's corpse. Seeing you, he has now worked to frame you for the crime, and now the Crows hunt you relentlessly. Your only sanctuary is in the now broken Chantry as the Crows won't touch you there, but you vow to get revenge on that noble and prove your innocence.


Mages however are apostates from the Circle, now on the run. Your mother was a Dalish outcast long ago, and you are seeking them out for safe shelter from the rogue Templar dogs that now hunt you. Traveling from village to village, you avoid going near the Chantries. When you eventually find the Ralaferin clan and its Keeper Gisharel, you see more Templar dogs. These ones however, are not after you, but are after the Keeper and his First. With no other choice, you defend them from the Templars. They offer you shelter within their clan, but the Seekers who are led by Cassandra arrive and take you with them. Their numbers are more than the clan, and you tell them not to try and defend you. You'll gladly submit so long as they will not be harmed. Cassandra agrees and you go with them.


3.) Dwarf -- Warriors and Rogues are an exiled Noble caste dwarf from Orzammar for a murder of one of Bhelen's allies that the Assembly doesn't know if you committed or not, but Bhelen says that should new evidence be brought to light that condemns you, they will hunt you down. Cast out, you now wander Ferelden, unsure of what to do now. The only person who said they would still talk to you is a good friend of yours from the Mining Caste who said he'd help you in any way he could. As you wander the countryside, you think to yourself that you'll become a mercenary or a smuggler. Working for a new mercenary company or smuggler group, your skills catch the attention of the Seekers. The Seekers have been doing some spying on you and now approach you. They know about your contact in Orzammar, and want to use that to help bring the Templars under their control again. With the Chantry now fractured and Dagna's books having caused a free Circle to be established in Orzammar, they need as much lyrium as they can. Even if you refuse, they threaten to use forged evidence against you and send it to Orzammar. With not much choice, you grudgingly accept.


4.) Tal-Vashoth -- Once a devout follower of the Qun, you left that life seeking a freedom you never thought possible. Your time as Tal-Vashoth has showed you the flaws of the Qunari as well as the flaws of everyone else. Wandering about, you sell yourself as mercenary to the Chantry. The mages and Templars don't matter to you. The Chantry isn't important. What matters to you is your new freedom. Freedom to live your life the way you choose to.

Females have an added reason for leaving the Qun. They wanted to prove that they could fight. That women can indeed be warriors. If she can't prove it to the Qunari, she'll prove it to herself.


 


Lastly, all of these roles would preferably be fully voiced  and Bioware shall implement a voice toggle.


This took me about 30 minutes at least to think up (wasn't keeping track of time), so people may have beaten me to certain ideas and there may be kinks in my ideas

I'm not saying use only 1 voice for every race. That would be immersion breaking I would think. But it's possible that you could find 1 VA who can do several types of voices. Then it would work.
.

Any excuse to repost these ideas I thought of.


As for Cassandra, the devs have said they're thinking about giving her an important role in DA3. I pray it's as a LI

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 13 juillet 2011 - 08:59 .

[csfteeeer]

txgoldrush wrote...

csfteeeer wrote...

people were already pissed that Hawke was just a Human.

if we were forced to play human female with a single class...
well i don't even want to think about it.

like I said, make her classless....her customization options would skyrocket. Imagine the skill combos crossing the classes.

hmmm..

maybe.

although it would be rather contradicting to their stablished lore and character (she is a Bard, so she is supposed to be Rogue, right?), unless they come with something crazy like with Shepard in ME2.

and to your original comment, i see your point, but this wouldn't ballsy, it would be rather stupid, Leliana, despite being a very popular Character (not as popular here, as in the community in general), she also has a lot people who dislike her, and thus, it would be counter productive, as too many people were pissed about DA2 to take such risk.

either, i don't know, it could happen, it could not, i REALLY doubt it.
but i can definetely see returning as a Companion

[MeAndMySandvich]

Leliana is basically what happens when you pile up 20 female stereotypes and give the pile an obnoxious accent. So no.

[txgoldrush]

csfteeeer wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

csfteeeer wrote...

people were already pissed that Hawke was just a Human.

if we were forced to play human female with a single class...
well i don't even want to think about it.

like I said, make her classless....her customization options would skyrocket. Imagine the skill combos crossing the classes.

hmmm..

maybe.

although it would be rather contradicting to their stablished lore and character (she is a Bard, so she is supposed to be Rogue, right?), unless they come with something crazy like with Shepard in ME2.

and to your original comment, i see your point, but this wouldn't ballsy, it would be rather stupid, Leliana, despite being a very popular Character (not as popular here, as in the community in general), she also has a lot people who dislike her, and thus, it would be counter productive, as too many people were pissed about DA2 to take such risk.

either, i don't know, it could happen, it could not, i REALLY doubt it.
but i can definetely see returning as a Companion

Trip to the fade could do the trick.....

Bioware is in a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. The take risks and people whine about it, they follow formula and people whine about it. They have no choice but to do one or the other, and taking risks and diversifying their style is the better option.

That Bioware Cliche Chart was legitimate criticism....

[txgoldrush]

MeAndMySandvich wrote...

Leliana is basically what happens when you pile up 20 female stereotypes and give the pile an obnoxious accent. So no.

and the other characters in Origins aren't steroetypes.

Except for Wynne, they're worse.....

Modifié par txgoldrush, 13 juillet 2011 - 09:09 .

[artsangel]

txgoldrush wrote...
And why did Bioware choose Leliana to have her own DLC where she is the star while the rest of the cast did not?

There was going to be others. One of the devs even said there was a plan to have a similar Alistair DLC where you played him when he first joins the Wardens. 

But then they decided to scrap their "2 years of DAO DLC" promise and make DA2 instead.

[txgoldrush]

artsangel wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
And why did Bioware choose Leliana to have her own DLC where she is the star while the rest of the cast did not?

There was going to be others. One of the devs even said there was a plan to have a similar Alistair DLC where you played him when he first joins the Wardens. 

But then they decided to scrap their "2 years of DAO DLC" promise and make DA2 instead.

I can see why....the DAO DLC outside Leliana's Song (or the launch DLC) completely and utterly sucked.

[MeAndMySandvich]

txgoldrush wrote...

MeAndMySandvich wrote...

Leliana is basically what happens when you pile up 20 female stereotypes and give the pile an obnoxious accent. So no.

and the other characters in Origins aren't.

Except for Wynne, they're worse.....

Yeah, Wynne is awesome, in combat and as a character. The others I actually don't mind as much as Leliana, because although they're basically all stock Bioware characters, their voices don't make me want to throw things at my computer.

[TEWR]

Blame EA for lack of more Origins DLC and DA2 being rushed. They wanted a quick buck before the fiscal year was over.



Leliana shouldn't be the protagonist. That would alienate almost all of their fanbase. The ones who didn't drop the series because of DA2. I'm one of those people


I wouldn't be too happy with it myself.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 13 juillet 2011 - 09:15 .

[xkg]

No , thank you that is very bad idea.
Is she such deeeeep and interesting character? No she isn't.
She has her own DLC? Ok. SO lets make Shale protagonist in Da3.

Final verdict. No.