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[Serpieri Nei]

alex90c wrote...

ReiSilver wrote...

Holy...
God, don't juxtapose those two images EVER again, the DA2 elf looks horrific.

There are elves in da2 that make her look pretty.....

[Shuma Gorath]

Like these?

[Harid]

Blergh, so bony.

[ReiSilver]

tmp7704 wrote...

Deliciously-Demonic wrote...

But at least they look, y'know, non-human, as opposed to DA2 elves, which just looked like short human with cosmetically altered ears.

It doesn't seem that looking non-human was ever a requirement when it came to the elves, though. Given the elves tend to be essentially defined as humans, but better.

THIS
Since when were elves supposed to look extremely different. Humans, in lore, are meant to find elves beautiful. Elves can also breed with humans so the races can't be that different if they can produce viable offspring (weird sidequestion, do we know if half-elves can have children?)
DA:O elves were quite different; all you had to do was stand one next to a human to see that, or have a look at the faces, there was a certain look there. It just wasn't so huge as to bash you over the head with it like DA2.

For the record I'm an anime fan and not much a fan of the elf redisign (not a fan of wow either)

here's a picture that illustrates the whole neck thing:


By the Creators! WTF? It looks like her neck should break under the weight of her massive head! The only reason you don't notice normally is the scarf  


It's not the faces that are the glaring problem for me, it's the bodies and proportions



Using the elf mod; look at poor Bethany-elf, her face is perfectly 'pretty' for the new style but... the neck, shoulders and head-body ratio... eeeeek
But as you can see I would play as at least a male elf, I'd just like the design somwhere between DA:O and DA2, because playing as a human in a fantasy RPG just does not compute and the culture of city and dalish elves is really interesting for me.

and here's another picture for the lulz

Modifié par ReiSilver, 14 juillet 2011 - 02:45 .

[Morroian]

ReiSilver wrote...
Since when were elves supposed to look extremely different. Humans, in lore, are meant to find elves beautiful.

What lore? Normal fantasy tropes? So what? The DA series doesn't have to follow that. Its not breaking anything by not following normal tropes. Is the Harry Potter series poor because elves are more like goblins in it?

You guys criticising DA2 say you don't mind change despite what BW are saying, yet jump on purely cosmetic changes like this which have absolutely no bearing on the quality of the game.

[FieryDove]

Morroian wrote...

ReiSilver wrote...
Since when were elves supposed to look extremely different. Humans, in lore, are meant to find elves beautiful.

What lore? Normal fantasy tropes? So what? The DA series doesn't have to follow that. Its not breaking anything by not following normal tropes.

It was mentioned in several places in dao and not the least the codex.

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

ReiSilver wrote...

here's a picture that illustrates the whole neck thing:

Look, kids--it's a girelffe!

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

Zjarcal wrote...

Except for maybe the ears, this looks almost exactly like a cranker dude I arrested last week.  I guess his eyes weren't quite as big (except for the pupils, heh).

Modifié par Tantum Dic Verbo, 14 juillet 2011 - 03:32 .

[phoenixgoddess27]

Yellow Words wrote...

Or you know, people can like it without loving anime or WoW. I like the new design and I don't care for either anime or WoW.

Congratulations.

We each have our own opinions. I can accept yours.

[dheer]

Chiramu wrote...
DA2 style elves look awesome, plus they are now CANON!

You know what would be awesome? If the DA2 style elves were CANNON'D. Preferably into a brick wall.

[Morroian]

FieryDove wrote...

Morroian wrote...

What lore? Normal fantasy tropes? So what? The DA series doesn't have to follow that. Its not breaking anything by not following normal tropes.

It was mentioned in several places in dao and not the least the codex.

Quotes then please. I can't find a codex entry saying it. If its mentioned in game then its a characters opinion and therefore hardly lore.

[Chari]

Ah, NO! What have you done?! Okay, I cn live with that horrible faces but BODIES! My Grey Warden is supposed to be a WARRIOR. I fear to see her redesigned... nd I love to play Dalish and only Dalish elves... If they do not redesign the redesigned elves... I do not know how I can play as elf anymore

[Serpieri Nei]

More Ugly Elves

[tmp7704]

Morroian wrote...

I can't find a codex entry saying it. If its mentioned in game then its a characters opinion and therefore hardly lore.

Codex entries are written by the characters as well. Which makes them character opinions, and by your definition leaves DA without lore to speak of whatsoever.

incidentally,

You guys criticising DA2 say you don't mind change despite what BW are saying, yet jump on purely cosmetic changes like this which have absolutely no bearing on the quality of the game.

You know, BW has spent time, money and resources on these purely cosmetic changes. Judging just by that i'd say they strongly disagree with the view that visuals and the design have no bearing on the quality of the game. Or they really like wasting money, time and resources on things that don't matter.

Modifié par tmp7704, 14 juillet 2011 - 06:48 .

[phoenixgoddess27]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

More Ugly Elves

What in the world is wrong with his pinky finger?

[FieryDove]

Morroian wrote...

Quotes then please. I can't find a codex entry saying it. If its mentioned in game then its a characters opinion and therefore hardly lore.

You are serious? Go load up the game.

If you don't consider in-game characters, scholars and historains opinions valid, then there is no lore...for any game.

To the topic at hand, no I would not want to play an elf...anymore.

[Nightdragon8]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

(Husband)

Beauty is largely subjective, but not completely subjective as some of you claim.   You do have things like 'the Golden ratio" that can be empirically verified when it comes to studying standards of aesthetics.


  library.thinkquest.org/trio/TTQ05063/phibeauty1.htm

*thumbs up*

Good post. And if elves are considered by lore to be percieved as generally "beautiful" to humans, then elves likely should look rather human-like in proportions. The key, to me, would be to make them look unique but still attractive. I like the concept of giving them an interesting appearance but I felt they looked a little bizarre in DA 2, and not in an aestheticly good way.

Accuatly there was a study not that long ago, and we are hardwired to look at "pretty" things, here was the experiment I don't know 100% of the details and I don't wish to wade though google to find it just yet

But here is the "short" version of it.

They held up 2 pictures of women, in front of a baby. Sometimes it was the mother other times it wasn't. but what tey found was that babies tended to look at the "prettier" woman and not there mothers.

So from a very earily age we are drawn to "beauty" 

[alex90c]

Shuma Gorath wrote...

Like these?

And the prepubescent Merril romance scene is exactly why I will never do her romance.

[whykikyouwhy]

FieryDove wrote...

Morroian wrote...

Quotes then please. I can't find a codex entry saying it. If its mentioned in game then its a characters opinion and therefore hardly lore.

You are serious? Go load up the game.

If you don't consider in-game characters, scholars and historains opinions valid, then there is no lore...for any game.

To the topic at hand, no I would not want to play an elf...anymore.

I looked at the codex entries on elves for DA:O and didn't see any reference. It's possible that a character may have spoken of the beauty of the elves. But in DA2, elves are referred to by many as "knive ears," which is a slur, and seems to be directed at their appearance.

Nightdragon8 wrote...

Accuatly there was a study not that long ago, and we are hardwired to look at "pretty" things, here was the experiment I don't know 100% of the details and I don't wish to wade though google to find it just yet

But here is the "short" version of it.

They held up 2 pictures of women, in front of a baby. Sometimes it was the mother other times it wasn't. but what tey found was that babies tended to look at the "prettier" woman and not there mothers.

So from a very earily age we are drawn to "beauty" 

I'm curious if, in this study, the picture held up to the baby was similar in appearance to his/her mother, or someone else who had already made a visual imprint. Perhaps we are drawn to certain things at an early age, but our concept of beauty, of what it entails, is just as much shaped by our upbringing, societal norms, and our own ability to shape our identities. Our tastes change as we age. I may have thought blondes were attractive when I was younger, and now, maybe I don't find them attractive at all (not necessarily true, but used for an example - no offense to any flaxen-haired folks).

EDIT - As a side note, consider the ancient Mayan culture. Art from Mayan ruins shows that they had distinctive characteristics - the long sloped foreheads, and crossed eyes. These were considered hallmarks of beauty - it made them closer to their concept of the divine, and babies were outfitted with various boards on their heads to achieve that shape by childhood. It probably wouldn't measure up to our current "norm" of beauty, but for the Mayans, that look was the pinnacle.

Modifié par whykikyouwhy, 14 juillet 2011 - 09:36 .

[elfdwarf]

dao elves are ugly
da2 are beautiful
no different from human, elf and qunari dao
lot different from asari and human me1

[culletron1]

What they did to elves pretty much personifies what they did to the game...

How those designs got past Lead Designers and producers I will *NEVER* understand...

Not only have they made elves ugly. Then they topped that off by giving them Northern Irish accents - Probably the most harsh accent in Ireland.

Just a giant WTF really... Perhaps it was time constraints and they had to go with the first design that popped out?

I seriously can't imagine that leads and producers can look at the elfs in DA2 and think "Gee we nailed that one". If they do then that is more scary...

[TEWR]

I really dislike how people say having a long neck and a normal sized head is a bad thing. I have a long neck and a normal sized head.


Mainly due to the fact that no matter how much food I eat, I don't gain any weight. I ate 20 lbs. of food at Thanksgiving last year, not counting dessert. Seriously, I'm a really gaunt and lanky person.


The problem with Merrill isn't her body structure in that romance scene. It's just how Bioware decided to handle it. They made it seem like her body structure is a bad thing.

[TEWR]

Also, just because some of you don't find the DA2 elves attractive doesn't mean Thedosians won't find them beautiful either.


Example: Vincento. He found Arianni beautiful.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 14 juillet 2011 - 01:43 .

[Nozybidaj]

Deliciously-Demonic wrote...

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Personally, I love the way the elves in DA2 look. Yeah, they aren't the most attractive bunch, especially a few that are borderline High Octane Nightmare Fuel. But at least they look, y'know, non-human, as opposed to DA2 elves, which just looked like short human with cosmetically altered ears.

Since when are elves supposed to look "non-human" anyway?  They've always for the most part been humans with pointy ears (sometimes long pointy, sometimes not), sometimes with varying skin tones.  When did this raging desire to have them look alien spring up into the conciousness of the fantasy community?  I'll assume it was around the same time Avatar was released.  /shrug

I'll take pretty humans with pointy ears any day of the week over, well, whatever it is they were supposed to look like in DA2.

[Morroian]

FieryDove wrote...

Morroian wrote...

Quotes then please. I can't find a codex entry saying it. If its mentioned in game then its a characters opinion and therefore hardly lore.

You are serious? Go load up the game.

If you don't consider in-game characters, scholars and historains opinions valid, then there is no lore...for any game.

Its not lore thats set down as a rule of the game that they should abide by. Anything in game like that is purposefully written by BW as a subjective opinion, even most of the codex is probably considered a subjective opinion in the world of the game.

You don't like the look of elves fine but don't try and make it out like its some deep criticism of Bioware. Its not like there's nothing else to criticise the game for.