206 réponses à ce sujet

[xkg]

^
Ok so all your arguments are only your opinions and thoughts. Don't say those was the reasons beacuse you don't know that.
Maybe it was intentional. Have you ever thought about that ?

[ScotGaymer]

The problem with the DA2 elves isnt that the new design sucks. It doesnt.

It is the fact that they didnt spend much (if any) time really working on faces and whatnot for the Elves to make them pretty (if a little alien looking). Although this is true (to a lesser extent) for the Qunari, Tal-Vashoth, Dwarves, and Humans also.

Take a look on Dragon Age Nexus; with a bit of effort you can create a pretty elf with the chargen.

[JaegerBane]

Jademoon121 wrote...

JaegerBane wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

Elves are supposed to appear sort of alien.

That's true, but that doesn't preclude them from being attractive.

In old tales and fantasy, elves are otherwordly creatures of magic and nature that appear beautiful to humans, kind of like cranes or deer but in a relatable fashion. They're not supposed to be pretty humans.

This distinction doesn't make any sense. If they look remotely like humans then, if they are to be recognised as attractive, a human would see them as attractive in human terms, much like how the ancient myths about nymphs and dryads etc worked. Saying something looks attractive and human but not like an attractive human is a bit like saying you're both shorter and taller than the man standing next to you, it logically can't work.

As I said above (I think you quoted my post before I added to it), bulbous eyes and mishappen stoops don't equate to something a normal human would find attractive.

[Jademoon121]

xkg wrote...

^
Ok so all your arguments are only your opinions and thoughts. Don't say those was the reasons beacuse you don't know that.
Maybe it was intentional. Have you ever thought about that ?

Maybe, maybe not. I do know that people didn't like how the elves looked in DAO. It is fact that there are plenty of people out there who fit the mold to a T, that all the Qunari where hornless, and that the elven look has been debated.

Modifié par Jademoon121, 14 juillet 2011 - 08:51 .

[Jademoon121]

JaegerBane wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

JaegerBane wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

Elves are supposed to appear sort of alien.

That's true, but that doesn't preclude them from being attractive.

In old tales and fantasy, elves are otherwordly creatures of magic and nature that appear beautiful to humans, kind of like cranes or deer but in a relatable fashion. They're not supposed to be pretty humans.

This distinction doesn't make any sense. If they look remotely like humans then, if they are to be recognised as attractive, a human would see them as attractive in human terms, much like how the ancient myths about nymphs and dryads etc worked. Saying something looks attractive and human but not like an attractive human is a bit like saying you're both shorter and taller than the man standing next to you, it logically can't work.

As I said above (I think you quoted my post before I added to it), bulbous eyes and mishappen stoops don't equate to something a normal human would find attractive.

True. If a human was going to find someone attractive, they'd have to at least have some humanoid features right? The key thing though is that elves are not human and it has to show somehow. Glowing eyes, thin faces, slight bodies. If we just got pointed ears, we'd be back in DAO territory again. Like I said above, Bioware was sloppy with the elves. A lot of them look ugly, but not all of them. Incedentaly, the good looking ones actually looked more human than the ugly ones(sans Fenris' hulking gait and Merrill's Giraffe neck).

Modifié par Jademoon121, 14 juillet 2011 - 08:52 .

[xkg]

Jademoon121 wrote...

xkg wrote...

^
Ok so all your arguments are only your opinions and thoughts. Don't say those was the reasons beacuse you don't know that.
Maybe it was intentional. Have you ever thought about that ?

Maybe, maybe not. I do know that people didn't like how the elves looked in DAO. It is fact that there are plenty of people out there who fit the mold to a T, and that all the Qunari where hornless.

Ok. So now looking at this thread for example (and counting votes) we can safely say that people likes DAO's elves more than DA2's. So why are we arguing ?  

Modifié par xkg, 14 juillet 2011 - 08:53 .

[Jademoon121]

xkg wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

xkg wrote...

^
Ok so all your arguments are only your opinions and thoughts. Don't say those was the reasons beacuse you don't know that.
Maybe it was intentional. Have you ever thought about that ?

Maybe, maybe not. I do know that people didn't like how the elves looked in DAO. It is fact that there are plenty of people out there who fit the mold to a T, and that all the Qunari where hornless.

Ok. So now looking at this thread for example (and counting votes) we can safely say that people like DAO's elves more than DA2's. So why are we arguing ?  

I'm bored and I love both elves despite their faults? 

[JaegerBane]

Jademoon121 wrote...
True. If a human was going to find someone attractive, they'd have to at least have some humanoid features right? The key thing though is that elves are not human and it has to show somehow. Glowing eyes, thin faces, slight bodies. If we just got pointed ears, we'd be back in DAO territory again.

Why is that a bad thing? There's enough there to make it clear they're not human. We already know that genetically they've gotta be pretty damn similar since the product of a human and elf mating is always fully human, so why must they be so different?

Like I said above, Bioware was sloppy with the elves. A lot of them look ugly, but not all of them. Incedentaly, the good looking ones actually looked more human than the ugly ones(sans Fenris' hulking gait and Merrill's Giraffe neck).

Indeed. If you look at Fenris and Merrill, who are pretty much agreed as being the best examples of both genders in terms of attractiveness, their hairstyles and features are more orientated towards human then the ugly-looking elves. Their eyes are larger, their ears are pointed and their nose bridges are still prominent, but they're not so far to the extreme where their foreheads protude or their ears come out at right angles, as seen in freaks like Huon or his wife.

The bottom line is that the more like humans elves look, the more attractive they are percieved. Maybe Bioware were sloppy with the designs, but that doesn't change the fact that exaggerated heads and organs coming out at weird angles looks bizarre. Making human-looking elves clearly makes them fit their lore.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

"Heyyyy youuuu guyyyys.....!" I just found a leaked screenshot of DA 3 elves!

[Tirfan]

^Meh, not that much worse than the current design.

[JaegerBane]

Merrill, you are one fine lookin' young elf...

Modifié par JaegerBane, 14 juillet 2011 - 09:54 .

[Morroian]

FieryDove wrote...

I do not like the new elves its true, when lore is changed just for the sake of change its sort of annoying, but its not anything new. See ME2.

You keep saying lore is being changed when its not, at least not dragon age lore. Dialogue from a character ingame is not lore.

xkg wrote...

Yes in OLD TALES and FANTASY (not every) they may be like that. But this is Dragon Age not Tolkien.
And they are supposed te be pretty humans in Dragon Age world. 

No they aren't, no-one has provided any sort of proof that this is the case. Characters may find them beautiful in game but that can apply to the DA2 design.

Modifié par Morroian, 14 juillet 2011 - 11:03 .

[xkg]

Morroian wrote...

FieryDove wrote...

I do not like the new elves its true, when lore is changed just for the sake of change its sort of annoying, but its not anything new. See ME2.

You keep saying lore is being changed when its not, at least not dragon age lore. Dialogue from a character ingame is not lore.

xkg wrote...

Yes in OLD TALES and FANTASY (not every) they may be like that. But this is Dragon Age not Tolkien.
And they are supposed te be pretty humans in Dragon Age world. 

No they aren't, no-one has provided any sort of proof that this is the case. Characters may find them beautiful in game but that can apply to the DA2 design.

Sorry. This thread is a proof that people don't find them to be pretty or even good looking. They are ugly (read entire thread if you like). They supposed to be beautiful to people (you know - those guys posting here are people not monkeys) but they are not = Lore is changed.

And those few who likes them ?Well you know what they say - the exception proves the rule.

But keep talking all you want.

[Morroian]

xkg wrote...

Sorry. This thread is a proof that people don't find them to be pretty or even good looking. They are ugly (read entire thread if you like). They supposed to be beautiful to people (you know - those guys posting here are people not monkeys) but they are not = Lore is changed.

What lore?

[tmp7704]

Jademoon121 wrote...

In old tales and fantasy, elves are otherwordly creatures of magic and nature that appear beautiful to humans, kind of like cranes or deer but in a relatable fashion. They're not supposed to be pretty humans.

Problem with this line of reasoning is perhaps, humans are also supposed to feel sexual attraction to the elves (otherwise explaining these half-elves and elves working in brothels gets really hard) and that particular kind of attraction requires close enough similarity to one's own species to actually trigger.

The few sheep lovers who are out there aside, granted.

[xkg]

Morroian wrote...

xkg wrote...

Sorry. This thread is a proof that people don't find them to be pretty or even good looking. They are ugly (read entire thread if you like). They supposed to be beautiful to people (you know - those guys posting here are people not monkeys) but they are not = Lore is changed.

What lore?

GO TO HELL <<< that is all i have to say to you.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

nm

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 15 juillet 2011 - 12:27 .

[MeAndMySandvich]

JaegerBane wrote...

Merrill, you are one fine lookin' young elf...

Gigglesquee!

[berelinde]

Hey, talked to the art department! You guys win. They're going back to the old DA:O look. The males will use Cammen as a model and the females will look like Namaya. Everyone's happy, right?

[MeAndMySandvich]

tmp7704 wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

In old tales and fantasy, elves are otherwordly creatures of magic and nature that appear beautiful to humans, kind of like cranes or deer but in a relatable fashion. They're not supposed to be pretty humans.

Problem with this line of reasoning is perhaps, humans are also supposed to feel sexual attraction to the elves (otherwise explaining these half-elves and elves working in brothels gets really hard) and that particular kind of attraction requires close enough similarity to one's own species to actually trigger.

The few sheep lovers who are out there aside, granted.

I don't know, man - enough people on this forum want to have Merrill's or Fenris's hideous mutant giraffe babies that it's at least plausible that humans in-universe would want to as well. TBH, my critique is a lot simpler: I don't think the way elves ended up in DA2 is actually what they were going for. It's not so much that they don't make sense as attractive, it's that they don't make sense as creatures that manage to get enough bloodflow to their heads. That makes me suspect that the final design would have looked better if they had more time to make it work.

Modifié par MeAndMySandvich, 15 juillet 2011 - 12:38 .

[Frybread76]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

"Heyyyy youuuu guyyyys.....!" I just found a leaked screenshot of DA 3 elves!

Heeeeyy yoooouuu guuuuuuys! I love the Goonies.

Modifié par Frybread76, 15 juillet 2011 - 12:42 .

[xkg]

berelinde wrote...

Hey, talked to the art department! You guys win. They're going back to the old DA:O look. The males will use Cammen as a model and the females will look like Namaya. Everyone's happy, right?

Sure why not. Even ugliest Elf from DAO is prettier than any DA2 Elf. lol

[MeAndMySandvich]

Recon64bit wrote...

Elves in Thedas are supposed to be ugly, and imperfect. This isn't LoTR or any anime.

Oh, that's why elves were all designed to be hideous in DA:O. Oh wait, they weren't. I think it's a lot more likely they just had a concept in mind for DA2 elves and fell short of realizing that concept. \\

(Incidentally, it looks like the elvish woman in this picture isn't the only one suffering from a little bit of the ol' giraffe neck. None of them are quite as bad as what's in-game, though, which is why I think they probably ballsed up the execution a bit.)

[Sabariel]

I'd rather be a human with pointy ears than an insectile goat-thing with a mild case of ostrich neck, but... that's just me :3