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[tmp7704]

Helekanalaith wrote...

Other than their height there's nothing that made me think that the old genlocks were tied to the dwarves. At least the new genlocks share the dwarves' stockiness and have a semblance of a beard.

So, again -- the silhouette on the right. What do you think that is, a genlock or a dwarf in genlock armour?

Since you believe there's nothing about old genlocks except height that's shared by them with the dwarves, it should be easy to tell.

[Hel]

The one on the right obviously makes it easier to identify it as a dwarf. But like I said, only the height plays a part in this. Once you see its facial structure and its skin colour (olive green, really?) that similarity quickly disappates.

I could dress a monkey in an armour and put its silhouette next to the original genlock's too. Without a doubt people would mistake that for a dwarf just as easily.

[Demon Velsper]

JohnEpler wrote...

Well, yes. Except we've mentioned that we're -not- doing this thing. Repeatedly.

Well, yes, but you've also mentioned that Dragon Age 2 is "innovative". Repeatedly. So you'll have to forgive people if they simply stop listening after a while.

[Hel]

[double post]

Modifié par Helekanalaith, 22 juillet 2011 - 10:41 .

[tmp7704]

I could dress a monkey in an armour and put its silhouette next to the original genlock's too. Without a doubt people would mistake that for a dwarf just as easily.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSoHPCXGNU5wcLL2RfgBVXNu1RBI5hmRcuEhRxIAKVgbUraiMxS

Does this really look like a dwarf to you?

There's small problem with this reasoning that i hope the image makes obvious -- you couldn't dress a monkey in genlock armour in the first place, because the proportions of their bodies are very different. As such, these proportions alone make it easy to spot the difference between a monkey and old genlock/dwarf.

That's the crux of the issue -- people saying the new genlocks look like dwarves because they're stocky seem to repeatedly overlook the old genlocks had body identical with the dwarves. You don't make a creature resemble something 'more' by exaggerating the build, not any more than you make a photo resemble 'more' the person it portrays by warping it into a caricature.

[Hel]

tmp7704 wrote...

I could dress a monkey in an armour and put its silhouette next to the original genlock's too. Without a doubt people would mistake that for a dwarf just as easily.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSoHPCXGNU5wcLL2RfgBVXNu1RBI5hmRcuEhRxIAKVgbUraiMxS

Does this really look like a dwarf to you?

Do a search for bonobos; when walking upright and clad in genlock armour they could look almost alike. (Note: I don't own a bonobo or genlock armour, so this theory hasn't been properly tested.)

[Paperkut]

Important question, will our saved game from Origins have any meaning in this DLC? Because you know, Grey Wardens?

[tmp7704]

Helekanalaith wrote...

Do a search for bonobos; when walking upright and clad in genlock armour they could look almost alike. (Note: I don't own a bonobo or genlock armour, so this theory hasn't been properly tested.)

Having run a quick search, i'd say there's some very obvious differences in thickness and length of limbs, size of the head and other areas. I'm definitely too lazy to make a model and then shape genlock armour to fit it just to properly test it, too

[Faunwea]

Perhaps the new genlocks need to run on all fours to support their over-developed upper body muscles?

[DreamSever]

im curious about the class specific weapon, is it only for one class or for whatever class your hawke is, it would be dissapointing if it was warrior only or something

[Hel]

DreamSever wrote...

im curious about the class specific weapon, is it only for one class or for whatever class your hawke is, it would be dissapointing if it was warrior only or something

It's for the class you picked for Hawke, and depending on what you specialized Hawke in, a different weapon will be given.

Modifié par Helekanalaith, 22 juillet 2011 - 01:02 .

[Paperkut]

PresidentCowboy wrote...

Paperkut wrote...

Important question, will our saved game from Origins have any meaning in this DLC? Because you know, Grey Wardens?

I asked in the live chat and they didn't answer, so that's either a "no" or a "they have so much meaning we want to keep it a suprise". The latter doesn't seem very likely though.

I trully hope is the latter because DAO saved game was way to meaningless for the DA2 story, that fact actually make more furious than the bugs and changes in the game itself 

[WilliamShatner]

The one on the left looks like Peter Jackson's rubbish King Kong.

[MagmaSaiyan]

Helekanalaith wrote...

DreamSever wrote...

im curious about the class specific weapon, is it only for one class or for whatever class your hawke is, it would be dissapointing if it was warrior only or something

It's for the class you picked for Hawke, and depending on what you specialized Hawke in, a different weapon will be given.

the question is what if you have the same amount of skills in each?

[tmp7704]

Filament wrote...

Obviously skewed comparison in favor if your argument seeing as how it focuses completely on body shape, leaving out facial features. Seeing as how that's hugely important in how we recognize other people.

However if what you said was right and the new design wasn't "less like the dwarves", there should be no actual way to "skew comparison in my favour". That you even have to reach for such argument pretty much makes my point.

And you know what the funny part is? The facial features you mention as if it's something that's supposed to work in your favour... check them out for yourself. Especially the profile of the background genlock:



... the rounded ape-like bottom part and the upper skull-like part, the mouth and the teeth, altogether the faces are very much the same they were in DAO. About the only thing that did change is the skin colour. Meaning the likeliness to the dwarves didn't exactly improve on this front, either.

And may i remind, in this very thread people were going on the record and saying how the old genlock faces were "nothing like dwarves". Surely we aren't going to be selective now, and can accept that if the old genlock faces didn't look dwarf-like, then the new genlocks with the same faces aren't suddenly going to start to resemble these dwarves, for some mysterious reason?

And for a creature that never existed before, to suddenly appear in the Deep Roads that was apelike and had facial features like theirs, they couldn't have possibly described it as "in our own likeness, but bestial and savage"?

Sure; like i said, if they were either very drunk or very critical about their own appearances.

Modifié par tmp7704, 22 juillet 2011 - 10:24 .

[tmp7704]

Filament wrote...

Yes there should. What are you on about? Yes, the old genlocks' silhouette looks more like dwarves' silhouette than the new genlocks' silhouette. That doesn't mean the old genlocks look more like dwarves, all things considered. As opposed to only considering one thing, like you're doing. Which isn't what I was doing.

If you check back, i've said i considered the faces of new and old designs to be about the same, which is why i focused the comparison on the element which i found to actually change between the designs. Which is quite an opposite from 'considering only one thing' and does involve all things considered.

I'm just not seeing the same thing you're seeing. They look more like dwarves to me.

I'm quite puzzled what is the thing that you are seeing, then. What about the new faces (the in-game model, not the concept art) looks more like dwarves to you? Or for that matter, what about the new faces looks different from the old version to begin with?

here's both versions in the same helmet, to make it easier, though unfortunately not with the same expression:

[TEWR]

MagmaSaiyan wrote...

Helekanalaith wrote...

DreamSever wrote...

im curious about the class specific weapon, is it only for one class or for whatever class your hawke is, it would be dissapointing if it was warrior only or something

It's for the class you picked for Hawke, and depending on what you specialized Hawke in, a different weapon will be given.

the question is what if you have the same amount of skills in each?

I think it has to do with which weapon style you enter Legacy with, much like how Taarbas gives you a weapon depending on what weapon style you have when you first talk to him.

[TEWR]

someone should take a picture of Oghren not wearing any clothes (should be easy. Just give him some booze) and compare it to the new Genlocks.


Because that might help to see how dwarfy they look. The DA2 Genlocks really do look more dwarfy to me.

[tmp7704]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

someone should take a picture of Oghren not wearing any clothes (should be easy. Just give him some booze) and compare it to the new Genlocks.

DAO dwarves and DAO genlocks use the same body model, literally. There is simply no way for the new genlocks to look any more dwarf-like than that short of also having the exact same body model, which they don't. And even then they'd only look equally dwarf-like, not more.

Heck, you can actually put Oghren's (or any other male dwarf) head directly on the body of DAO genlock replacing the default head, and it's a seamless fit.

Modifié par tmp7704, 23 juillet 2011 - 05:19 .

[TEWR]

Well, I would suggest a dwarf from DA2, but I don't know if anyone has managed to get Varric out of his Leather Duster.


...yet.