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[marshalleck]

Don't wear a seat belt if you don't want to. Let Darwin work his magic.

Also, I could have sworn I saw a comment in here about wearing helmets on bicycles and motorcycles. On motorcycles it's a good idea for a number of reasons, but have you ever picked up a bicycle helmet? It's molded styrofoam. Sure, it will protect you if you're an utter amateur and fall off your bike at a measly 5 miles an hour, but for any real rider they're pointless. The kind of wreck you may get in on a bicycle, where you really want a helmet, that ****ty foam won't do a thing. Like for example what almost happened to me on my way home this afternoon. Narrowly avoided getting right-hooked by a motorist driving an SUV chatting on his cellphone who sped up to pass me and then cut across my lane to make an abrupt right turn about 5 feet from my front wheel. **** cell-phone talking, SUV driving ****s.

I almost considered following him into the parking lot and taking out his rear window with my u-lock, but I quickly realized that would probably get me shot, or worse. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 15 juillet 2011 - 08:35 .

[Manic Sheep]

Because if you go flying thru the windshield because you were not wearing a seatbelt or fall off the bike and smash your head open because you didn’t bother wearing a helmet other people have to clean up the mess. Wearing a seat belt is hardly an ordeal and having experience does not mean you will never make a mistake or end up crashing due to things you could not control.

[Lord Sullivan]

Manic Sheep wrote...

Because if you go flying thru the windshield because you were not wearing a seatbelt or fall off the bike and smash your head open because you didn’t bother wearing a helmet other people have to clean up the mess. Wearing a seat belt is hardly an ordeal and having experience does not mean you will never make a mistake or end up crashing due to things you could not control.

How about instead of speculating you bring forth proof that this an absolute in any accident that if you don't wear a seat belt, the events you described will happen.

I've been around long enough to witness the before and after the seat belt law came to existence in Canada. Before the law, there were indeed some accidents where people were projected out of their vehicle, however some died some survived, some that survived had injuries from minor to severe and some didn't have a scratch aside having been knocked out unconcious in the accident. Some survived being projected out their vehicle while their passenger still in the car died.

Injuries incurred or deaths in any accidents will always be random and today the types of situations suggested about how one may die (not wearing seat belt) suffer the same randomness then pre-seatbelt law.

Infact today you're more likely to die in an accident that has to do with extreme speed (140 Km/h) in a small residential street a small rural road as the cars are so cheaply build that they get shreaded in to pieces quite easily (Wearing a seat belt or not).

[Pstemarie]

This thread reminds me of an old song from the Eighties...

http://www.bing.com/...tail&FORM=VIRE1

Modifié par Pstemarie, 15 juillet 2011 - 09:45 .

[Bryy_Miller]

L33TDAWG wrote...

Because, people without health insurance would be ****ed!

Don't you mean... Obamacare?

dundundunnnnnnnn

[Trandoshan]

Eurypterid wrote...



Personally, I'll never understand why people are so dead set against wearing a simple piece of safety gear.

Because its ****ing uncomfortable man. That damn strap sits on your neck and itches.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Why do you have to wear a seatbeat? So Skynet can drive you off a cliff without a chance for you to escape the car.

[Blastback]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

L33TDAWG wrote...

Because, people without health insurance would be ****ed!

Don't you mean... Obamacare?

dundundunnnnnnnn

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

[lv12medic]

Trandoshan wrote...

Eurypterid wrote...



Personally, I'll never understand why people are so dead set against wearing a simple piece of safety gear.

Because its ****ing uncomfortable man. That damn strap sits on your neck and itches.

Actually, if you want to mitigate the neck irritation I would suggest getting a seat-belt extender.  It's not just useful for large people, it also helps shift where the buckle point is up about 6-8 inches, whcih in turn can help the seatbelt sit better and not irritate the neck so much.

[ipgd]

Trandoshan wrote...

Because its ****ing uncomfortable man. That damn strap sits on your neck and itches.

i heard death is pretty uncomfortable too

[Bullets McDeath]

To answer the original question,

"because we are not going another inch until you put your seatbelt on, mister. that's why."

[kglaser]

I didn't mean to get all snippy and whatnot yesterday...that's not usually like me at all. I guess I'm just frustrated about this issue, because I don't get it. Truly, I'm baffled as to why people wouldn't do it.
What is the possible reason for not wearing a potentially-life-saving device that takes a few seconds to secure? Is it "I'm gonna stick it to the MAN, take THAT!! haha, I'm not wearing it!" Is that it? Someone, please explain *why* you wouldn't do this IF IT CAN SAVE YOUR LIFE?

[Rockworm503]

Lord Sullivan wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Nice just dismiss everything I say because it challenges your point of view.
I'm done with this thread. Common sense << it won this argument before it started.

Sorry there friend, but it doesn't challenge my point of view in the least, you're just parroting hearsay
that I've already argued and do not wish to repeat myself.

Your "Common sense" is: hearing hearsay and parroting it until face turns red.

I don't stand there and do this dum practice anymore, yes I was once like that too until I started to use my brain.

Funny because where I sit you using your brain is everything but.

[Lord Sullivan]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Lord Sullivan wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Nice just dismiss everything I say because it challenges your point of view.
I'm done with this thread. Common sense << it won this argument before it started.

Sorry there friend, but it doesn't challenge my point of view in the least, you're just parroting hearsay
that I've already argued and do not wish to repeat myself.

Your "Common sense" is: hearing hearsay and parroting it until face turns red.

I don't stand there and do this dum practice anymore, yes I was once like that too until I started to use my brain.

Funny because where I sit you using your brain is everything but.

That's only because of your brain limits, you can't see very far and can't think very deep.

[Lord Sullivan]

kglaser wrote...

I didn't mean to get all snippy and whatnot yesterday...that's not usually like me at all. I guess I'm just frustrated about this issue, because I don't get it. Truly, I'm baffled as to why people wouldn't do it.
What is the possible reason for not wearing a potentially-life-saving device that takes a few seconds to secure? Is it "I'm gonna stick it to the MAN, take THAT!! haha, I'm not wearing it!" Is that it? Someone, please explain *why* you wouldn't do this IF IT CAN SAVE YOUR LIFE?

It's more of a matter of why do some people (that have no business butting in others lives in the first place) want to force them to wear a life jacket on the beach. I have no tolerance for bull****, especialy when it touches my personal rights.

Sure some here may have expressed ultimate dislike of the seat belt, however, we're not the ones turning our views in to hyperbole, it's those that support forced seat belt everywhere at anytime that exagerate the views of us that do not support it. It's a poor tactic always used to try and silence the opposition when they feel their intellect as been surpassed by the opposition.

(i.e. exagerating another's comments, name calling (idiot, stupid, etc...) the good old "thin foil hat" insult)

Modifié par Lord Sullivan, 16 juillet 2011 - 05:40 .

[AlanC9]

Lord Sullivan wrote...
I've been around long enough to witness the before and after the seat belt law came to existence in Canada. Before the law, there were indeed some accidents where people were projected out of their vehicle, however some died some survived, some that survived had injuries from minor to severe and some didn't have a scratch aside having been knocked out unconcious in the accident. Some survived being projected out their vehicle while their passenger still in the car died.

Injuries incurred or deaths in any accidents will always be random and today the types of situations suggested about how one may die (not wearing seat belt) suffer the same randomness then pre-seatbelt law.

Infact today you're more likely to die in an accident that has to do with extreme speed (140 Km/h) in a small residential street a small rural road as the cars are so cheaply build that they get shreaded in to pieces quite easily (Wearing a seat belt or not).

What's the argument here? Seat belts don't actually change the probabilities at all?

[Chromie]

Lord Sullivan wrote...
That's only because of your brain limits, you can't see very far and can't think very deep.

I can see for miles and miles.

[Lord Sullivan]

Ringo12 wrote...

Lord Sullivan wrote...
That's only because of your brain limits, you can't see very far and can't think very deep.

I can see for miles and miles.

Yeah well, you can keep trying to convince yourself. Diddo

[Gterror]

That argument that motorcyclerers dont need to wear helmet past 21 is complete B.S.
He/she can be experienced so far but when some jackass drives towards with insane speed and crashes with your bike, i say not wearing a helmet is a bad idead in that case.
Head is the most vulnearable part and even the smallest crash can cause death if you dont wear a helmet.

[Lord Sullivan]

AlanC9 wrote...

Lord Sullivan wrote...
I've been around long enough to witness the before and after the seat belt law came to existence in Canada. Before the law, there were indeed some accidents where people were projected out of their vehicle, however some died some survived, some that survived had injuries from minor to severe and some didn't have a scratch aside having been knocked out unconcious in the accident. Some survived being projected out their vehicle while their passenger still in the car died.

Injuries incurred or deaths in any accidents will always be random and today the types of situations suggested about how one may die (not wearing seat belt) suffer the same randomness then pre-seatbelt law.

Infact today you're more likely to die in an accident that has to do with extreme speed (140 Km/h) in a small residential street a small rural road as the cars are so cheaply build that they get shreaded in to pieces quite easily (Wearing a seat belt or not).

What's the argument here? Seat belts don't actually change the probabilities at all?

They absolutly don't. Accidental events are full of randomness, wearing a seat belt as opposed to not wearing one only replaces random possibilities by other random possibilities.

Modifié par Lord Sullivan, 16 juillet 2011 - 05:58 .

[Chromie]

Lord Sullivan wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

Lord Sullivan wrote...
That's only because of your brain limits, you can't see very far and can't think very deep.

I can see for miles and miles.

Yeah well, you can keep trying to convince yourself. Diddo

Awww fail reference 

[Lord Sullivan]

Ringo12 wrote...

Lord Sullivan wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

Lord Sullivan wrote...
That's only because of your brain limits, you can't see very far and can't think very deep.

I can see for miles and miles.

Yeah well, you can keep trying to convince yourself. Diddo

Awww fail reference 

Oh you were refering to the song? lol

[TJPags]

kglaser wrote...

I didn't mean to get all snippy and whatnot yesterday...that's not usually like me at all. I guess I'm just frustrated about this issue, because I don't get it. Truly, I'm baffled as to why people wouldn't do it.
What is the possible reason for not wearing a potentially-life-saving device that takes a few seconds to secure? Is it "I'm gonna stick it to the MAN, take THAT!! haha, I'm not wearing it!" Is that it? Someone, please explain *why* you wouldn't do this IF IT CAN SAVE YOUR LIFE?

See, for me, it's not that I don't want to do it, or wouldn't do it.  I do, and would even if it wasn't a law - although admittedly, if I was just running over to the store a few blocks away, I likely wouldn't put it on.

It's more about the government mandating what I can and can't do to my own body.  Yes, seatbelts absolutely save lives.  I know that for fact, and won't argue with it at all.  But the life it saves is that of the person wearing it.  If I, an adult, choose NOT to take advantage of that protection, is it really anyone's business but mine, and perhaps my families?

I'm fine with laws requiring car seats for children, requiring children to use seat belts, because until a certain age, they can't make that decision themselves, and even after they can, parents are responsible for them.  But once you're an adult, why should it not be simply your choice?

I feel the same way about laws that restrict foods available for purchase, because they're "not good for you".  See, as an example, NYC's recent (a few years back) ban on the use of trans fats.  Again, if I, as an adult, choose to eat food with trans fats, or use a lot of sugar, drink a lot of soda, eat fast food, etc - why can't I?

I understand that governments need to pass laws to protect people, and generally have no problem with that.  It's only when a government starts to pass laws to "protect me from myself" that I begin to be bothered.

[Cutlass Jack]

Lord Sullivan wrote...

It's more of a matter of why do some people (that have no business butting in others lives in the first place) want to force them to wear a life jacket on the beach. I have no tolerance for bull****, especialy when it touches my personal rights.

I support your personal rights...right up til the moment it crashes through your windshield and hits my car. Or me.

[ipgd]

TJPags wrote...

But the life it saves is that of the person wearing it.

And also the person you've crashed into, if the seatbelt helps you, you know, stay in control of the vehicle instead of smashing through the windshield.