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[Eddo36]

Instead of planting a nuke on the ground, have one launched from a cruiser?

[eternalnightmare13]

Eddo36 wrote...

Instead of planting a nuke on the ground, have one launched from a cruiser?

You can bring this up in the game, ask Captain Kirahe or whatever that salarian is called for exact reason.  Basically, he says the facility is too well fortified.

[Eddo36]

Well then, what can a surface-planted nuke do that an orbital nuke can't?

[eternalnightmare13]

They didn't even have a real nuclear bomb. The salarian captain came up with an improvised bomb. The impression I got was it wouldn't have worked even if they tried to drop it. An orbital bombing isn't something you improvise. It would've been completey ridiculous to somehow toss a homemade half assed bomb out the cargo hold and have it hit the target while oribiting it in space.

And where are you coming up with this 'cruiser' in your original post?  What cruiser?  The Council only sent the Normandy to Virmire and if they suddenly pulled 'hey we have nuclear warheads just sitting around the Normandy' it would've been total BS.

Secondly, the whole point was to destroy Saren's cloning facility which was inside that structure. Placing a bomb inside your target seemed a helluva a lot better odds then some orbital strike considering what I just said about the bomb.

Modifié par eternalnightmare13, 14 juillet 2011 - 02:04 .

[Sgt Stryker]

Eddo36 wrote...

Well then, what can a surface-planted nuke do that an orbital nuke can't?

For one thing, it can't get blasted out of the sky by anti-aircraft fire.

[originalgamer89]

its a real no no to attack a habital planet from orbit I guessed blowing the thing ground side kind of gets around that even then the council is displeased oh and a its plot device

[dreadpiratesnugglecakes]

Sure, orbital bombardment could happen..with what exactly? You don't have a vessel capable of it and there are none available..plus it's fortified. This is a non issue.

[jeweledleah]

Normandy couldn't get anywhere near the facility before you shut down the AA guns and even after that - you didn't have anything that could be dropped - had to improvise a bomb and in order for it to work, it had to be placed precisely. see when Normandy first shows up - the reason why you are dropped in with the Mako is because you cannot get anywhere near the Salarian camp otherwise. you need to shot down the AA guns protecting the approach. since communications are scrambled - you don't know exactly what's going on, so you need to get to Salarians first to figure out what the situation is. Normandy is a recon Vessel. its designed for small stealthy missions, NOT for bombing runs. its part of the reason why you are sent in to investigate (the other part being the fact that you are a spectre and information is about Saren)

up to the choice between Ashley and Kaidan, Virmire mission is not THAT bad. but that choice, considering how many people you had just hanging around on a ship (marine detachment, plus, if you recruited everyone and didn't lose Wrex - 3 unoccupied squad mates) was purely for dramatic value :/

[Eddo36]

eternalnightmare13 wrote...

They didn't even have a real nuclear bomb. The salarian captain came up with an improvised bomb. The impression I got was it wouldn't have worked even if they tried to drop it. An orbital bombing isn't something you improvise. It would've been completey ridiculous to somehow toss a homemade half assed bomb out the cargo hold and have it hit the target while oribiting it in space.

And where are you coming up with this 'cruiser' in your original post?  What cruiser?  The Council only sent the Normandy to Virmire and if they suddenly pulled 'hey we have nuclear warheads just sitting around the Normandy' it would've been total BS.

Secondly, the whole point was to destroy Saren's cloning facility which was inside that structure. Placing a bomb inside your target seemed a helluva a lot better odds then some orbital strike considering what I just said about the bomb.

Call Council/Alliance to send a dreadnaught and hit Virmire base with its main gun.

Modifié par Eddo36, 14 juillet 2011 - 06:52 .

[Bogsnot1]

Try playing the game and you will find out why.

[mineralica]

Eddo36 wrote...

Call Council/Alliance to send a dreadnaught and hit Virmire base with its main gun.

That's Terminus space. Council / Alliance would scream about any attempt to send any real force there. Plus, persuading them in something may take all the time until Reapers invasion.
And I don't think dreadnaught will have any chance against Sovereign.

Another question is where Salarians who were on some sort of scout and investigation operation took that powerful bomb. I don't remember that conversation clearly... repurposed their ship's engine? Well, impressive explosion for just one engine.

[xI extremist Ix]

Eddo36 wrote...

eternalnightmare13 wrote...

They didn't even have a real nuclear bomb. The salarian captain came up with an improvised bomb. The impression I got was it wouldn't have worked even if they tried to drop it. An orbital bombing isn't something you improvise. It would've been completey ridiculous to somehow toss a homemade half assed bomb out the cargo hold and have it hit the target while oribiting it in space.

And where are you coming up with this 'cruiser' in your original post?  What cruiser?  The Council only sent the Normandy to Virmire and if they suddenly pulled 'hey we have nuclear warheads just sitting around the Normandy' it would've been total BS.

Secondly, the whole point was to destroy Saren's cloning facility which was inside that structure. Placing a bomb inside your target seemed a helluva a lot better odds then some orbital strike considering what I just said about the bomb.

Call Council/Alliance to send a dreadnaught and hit Virmire base with its main gun.

You do realize that Virmire borders Terminus space. And that there is a massive REAPER on the ground. The Normandy landed the ground team before the situation was known and Saren had comm scramblers which is why only the Normandy was sent.

[Frostmourne86]

I thought that the Normandy had disruptor torpedoes - Joker didn't one-shot Sovereign later with a one-liner, did he? - so after the AA guns had been disabled, he could've used them to hit the facility.

[Frostmourne86]

The Normandy could've done that with disruptor torpedoes, once the AA towers were disabled.

[eternalnightmare13]

Eddo36 wrote...

eternalnightmare13 wrote...

They didn't even have a real nuclear bomb. The salarian captain came up with an improvised bomb. The impression I got was it wouldn't have worked even if they tried to drop it. An orbital bombing isn't something you improvise. It would've been completey ridiculous to somehow toss a homemade half assed bomb out the cargo hold and have it hit the target while oribiting it in space.

And where are you coming up with this 'cruiser' in your original post?  What cruiser?  The Council only sent the Normandy to Virmire and if they suddenly pulled 'hey we have nuclear warheads just sitting around the Normandy' it would've been total BS.

Secondly, the whole point was to destroy Saren's cloning facility which was inside that structure. Placing a bomb inside your target seemed a helluva a lot better odds then some orbital strike considering what I just said about the bomb.

Call Council/Alliance to send a dreadnaught and hit Virmire base with its main gun.

You saying that makes it rather clear you didn't play ME1.

[Eddo36]

Nyoka wrote...

The base is fortified; Sovereign was weakened after losing its shields and receiving fire directly from a whole fleet.

Seemingly not fortified enough for a small surface improvised bomb.

[xI extremist Ix]

Eddo36 wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

The base is fortified; Sovereign was weakened after losing its shields and receiving fire directly from a whole fleet.

Seemingly not fortified enough for a small surface improvised bomb.

1) The ordinance wasn't small. It was the element zero core for the Salarian ship.
2) If you look around to where the bomb was placed you would see fuel tanks.

If you put semtex inside of a safe and detonate it all six sides will be wrecked. If you put it on the door only one side is wrecked. Did you even play ME1?

[Eddo36]

Why not just launch one from a ship at the exact spot?

[Eddo36]

But there was no ceiling.

[Eddo36]

Well Shep already shut the AA guns down.

[Sgt Stryker]

Even if the Normandy could make an attack run after the turret was shut down, I doubt it was armed with anything heavier than those disruptor torpedoes. I think a multi-megaton nuclear bomb jury-rigged with an element zero core is a bit more potent than a few disruptor torpedoes.

[Eddo36]

Joker did something similar on Ilos with the Mako, though.

Or call in a bigger ship with the right gun.

Modifié par Eddo36, 15 juillet 2011 - 09:22 .