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[Tremere]

-Ambush/Sneak Attack options.
* Characters can attack foes on sight. I noticed this was available in DAO, but not in DA2. It beats having to walk right up on an enemy before being able to attack.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

1. I don't want to watch talk show. I don't want to recall memory of unknown character. I don't want to play illusionary third person character from other people perspective. I want to roleplay my character which I can view and feel from my own perspective. Not from Varric or Cassandra or Leliana or anyone else. Don't give bullsh*t that my character is mysteriously disappear in current DA2 time frame just for the sake of narrative. I don't want to play past tense unless I have a reason to do so which I don't. It's Cassandra's goal to find out about Hawke. Not me. Not Hawke. So where is my character?

2. I pay $60 for my character to be the main protagonist and to closely represent myself ( or anyone I want to be ingame ) I don't pay for Varric and Cassandra to be the main character. Nor do I pay for simple Blue, Red and Purple Hawke or Paragon and Renegade Shepard. Why do I have to help everyone I don't know? Why do I even bother with the conflicts? Why can't I save my own sister when I can decimate the Qunari, the Templars and the Mages single handed? Why do I care for the family I hardly know? Why O why don't I get the chance to spend more time with my family or my love interest or my close friends ( which I have no one except for my puppy ) when the story should be more personal? What the heck is DA 2 about?

3. Lastly, give me back my choices for origins/backgrounds, choices to be who I want to be, choices to do things I want to, choices to be able to talk to my companions anywhere and anytime I want to, choices to play my own story and experience the fantasy through my own perspective with non linear storyline and no one treated me like a sheep to drive the main plot. I am the story and the storyteller. If you can't give me that, at least give me back my toolset and the power of mod-ing to the community. I deserve my own creation and story for every single cent I paid.

[Tremere]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

1. I don't want to watch talk show. I don't want to recall memory of unknown character. I don't want to play illusionary third person character from other people perspective. I want to roleplay my character which I can view and feel from my own perspective. Not from Varric or Cassandra or Leliana or anyone else. Don't give bullsh*t that my character is mysteriously disappear in current DA2 time frame just for the sake of narrative. I don't want to play past tense unless I have a reason to do so which I don't. It's Cassandra's goal to find out about Hawke. Not me. Not Hawke. So where is my character?

2. I pay $60 for my character to be the main protagonist and to closely represent myself ( or anyone I want to be ingame ) I don't pay for Varric and Cassandra to be the main character. Nor do I pay for simple Blue, Red and Purple Hawke or Paragon and Renegade Shepard. Why do I have to help everyone I don't know? Why do I even bother with the conflicts? Why can't I save my own sister when I can decimate the Qunari, the Templars and the Mages single handed? Why do I care for the family I hardly know? Why O why don't I get the chance to spend more time with my family or my love interest or my close friends ( which I have no one except for my puppy ) when the story should be more personal? What the heck is DA 2 about?

3. Lastly, give me back my choices for origins/backgrounds, choices to be who I want to be, choices to do things I want to, choices to be able to talk to my companions anywhere and anytime I want to, choices to play my own story and experience the fantasy through my own perspective with non linear storyline and no one treated me like a sheep to drive the main plot. I am the story and the storyteller. If you can't give me that, at least give me back my toolset and the power of mod-ing to the community. I deserve my own creation and story for every single cent I paid.

In short, put the "role" back in role-playing. I definitely hear you in regards to a non-linear storyline and a true open ending. I truly belive that for this game to gain epic status, it has to give the controls to the player and let them determine the storyline. As it stands, you basically have a Qunari's choice. Choose to be (this or that), but you can never be anything else. You are only free to choose within that role. "Glory is clear and defined!" X^D *Hahahaha* Outside of this, little else remains.

Could the Arishok be the virtual manifestation of BioWare? X^D *Hahahaha!*

[Willybot]

I doubt that anything I *hear* will restore my interest enough for me to be willing to invest money back into the series at this point. Player feedback/suggestions have been given since the demo and we've been told repeatedly that such feedback has been heard.
At this point, talk means little. Only if I *see* the feedback implemented will the words have meaning.

[Tremere]

Here's another one...

-Get rid of those ugly-ass, over-sized swords and staves.
* There was that one... "The Archon's Blade" or something like that... It looked like a giant-sized steak knife. X^(

Modifié par GabrielXL, 16 juillet 2011 - 02:44 .

[sympathy4saren]

IMO, no studio should release big titles unless there is at least 3 years of development time. That's why the first is usually the best

[Archaven]

Wow Savber100 you sum up what i wanted for the next DA! .. Honestly just forget about DA.. All of you should aware that Bioware has already sold themselves to the devil. Looking at such a short development time and they may require to spam out a game every year? Just forget it.. Bioware is not up to the task for a quality AAA title in just 1 year. Not even CDPR could do that.

I would only be expecting more or less the same that they probably reusing DAO engine, enhancing it visually and hopefully we have a more engaging story and plot in the next DA.

Don't even mention about the free DLCs.. EAWare is all about money. You be expecting even more item pack DLC#? if it weren't for the major backlash of the title.

Now it seems very weird that the FANS is showing EAWare how to do business here. Shameful in my opinion.

Modifié par Archaven, 16 juillet 2011 - 03:39 .

[MonkeyKaboom]

I want the old art style back. If I wanna look at zelda i'll play zelda. Triangle shoulder pads? Really? Why did they actually change up the art anyways? Was it just cuz they wanted to or was there a technical reason behind it? Like issues with older PC's or something?

[sakera]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

1. I don't want to watch talk show. I don't want to recall memory of unknown character. I don't want to play illusionary third person character from other people perspective. I want to roleplay my character which I can view and feel from my own perspective. Not from Varric or Cassandra or Leliana or anyone else. Don't give bullsh*t that my character is mysteriously disappear in current DA2 time frame just for the sake of narrative. I don't want to play past tense unless I have a reason to do so which I don't. It's Cassandra's goal to find out about Hawke. Not me. Not Hawke. So where is my character?

2. I pay $60 for my character to be the main protagonist and to closely represent myself ( or anyone I want to be ingame ) I don't pay for Varric and Cassandra to be the main character. Nor do I pay for simple Blue, Red and Purple Hawke or Paragon and Renegade Shepard. Why do I have to help everyone I don't know? Why do I even bother with the conflicts? Why can't I save my own sister when I can decimate the Qunari, the Templars and the Mages single handed? Why do I care for the family I hardly know? Why O why don't I get the chance to spend more time with my family or my love interest or my close friends ( which I have no one except for my puppy ) when the story should be more personal? What the heck is DA 2 about?

3. Lastly, give me back my choices for origins/backgrounds, choices to be who I want to be, choices to do things I want to, choices to be able to talk to my companions anywhere and anytime I want to, choices to play my own story and experience the fantasy through my own perspective with non linear storyline and no one treated me like a sheep to drive the main plot. I am the story and the storyteller. If you can't give me that, at least give me back my toolset and the power of mod-ing to the community. I deserve my own creation and story for every single cent I paid.

Hear, hear!!  Exactly how I feel!!

[Charons Regale]

Why is there a loss of credibility, the game didn't offend me? Did your PC burp whilst installing the game and spit out the installation disc? Am I being sarcastic, yes, because I just think this kind of discussion is rather pointless because it only serves the "wants' of that particular person, and it isn't universal. Everybody wants something, but everyone isn't happy with what everyone else wants. Just saying, that's all.

[Slayer299]

If you think this discussion is pointless why are you posting in this thread in the first place? To tell everyone that their opinions as asked by the OP have no value because you say so? The point of the OP's thread is to voice what those who've lost confidence in the DA series is needed to trust BW fully for DA3. Obviously you haven't, but don't insult those of us who have lost confidence in BW.

On-Topic:
1. Bring back Origins and not Shepard, ahem, I mean Hawke. But weave the origins *into* the story and give me back my choices for my character.
2. Personal or Epic - If you want a personal story great, but personal does not mean ridiculously boring and watching the moss grow in Kirkwall as Hawke ponders her next series of inactions.
3. I want to be able to talk to the people who are supposed to be my friends/family, not sit and wait for them to drop a note to Bodahn to come visit when *they* want something. That's part of role-playing, talking to people who are your friends and family and learning about them that *isn't* reading a bloody Codex entry.. That also applies to the distinct removal of lore and the opportunity to flesh out so much more of Thedas and wherever DA3 takes place.
4. Bring back non-combat skills (Intimidate, trap/potion making, etc,) and more than just 1 option to deal with *every* encounter. You can't talk or shmooze your way out of every encounter, but your only option shouldn't be "eat my sword of death evil doer!"
5. There has to be a better medium for combat between "shuffle" and "Fist of the Northstar" and stop pruning combat skills down to just 1 per set with 10,000 upgrades.

THere's others, but those are the big ones for me now.

[Charons Regale]

Slayer299 wrote...

If you think this discussion is pointless why are you posting in this thread in the first place? To tell everyone that their opinions as asked by the OP have no value because you say so? The point of the OP's thread is to voice what those who've lost confidence in the DA series is needed to trust BW fully for DA3. Obviously you haven't, but don't insult those of us who have lost confidence in BW.

I apologize if I grated you, but...

You just implied something I actually didn't. Your offense now, by being seemingly offending by my remark, by injecting words that were not stated by me. If you want to take my "pointless" remark out of context, the integrity of your reply is reflecting on you, not me. I only said it is pointless because (paraphrasing myself) everyone wants something particular that seems everyone else doesn't want. I wasn't displeased with the game really, so I don't want a change. I didn't want another Origins, and if there is a DA3, I don't want another DA2, but that is me .

Now, back to the topic.

Modifié par Charons Regale, 16 juillet 2011 - 05:56 .

[JaegerBane]

Charons Regale wrote...
 I only said it is pointless because (paraphrasing myself) everyone wants something particular that seems everyone else doesn't want.

This is a nice theory, but there's already been several suggestions in this thread that have achieved some sort of consensus. Which was the whole point behind the thread. So, clearly, the situation is not the one you describe above, so I don't really understand what the point behind your post is.

There are plenty of good suggestions being mentioned here, and the devs are listening. This thread is not pointless.

[Tremere]

I have noticed that there is a lot of nostalgia and calling for a DAO clone (of sorts) and I suppose I can understand why, but I think the name of the game from BioWare's perspective is progression. I honestly believe that DA2 is the Windows Vista of the franchise. It was put out there to give us all a glimpse at where the game is going, but I seriously doubt that what we've seen is the definitive path of where the game is going and how. Some folks have seen things they like, others not so much. Personally, I haven't been entrenched in either camp long enough to be biased one way or another. There are things I like in both games as they are. I've also said that I believe DA2 was rushed and that there are things that even as a newbie I could see should have been done better. Still, I don't think that leaning too much on "what was" is truly the path of any company. The past is the proving ground and it is a point from which to grow. We shouldn't fault BioWare for doing what just about any living entity does... EVOLVE. It's the province of the masses to lament against the unknown, and likewise for those preaching progress to be reviled and mocked. We can at least give BioWare credit for having some of their folks traipsing these forums to answer questions and comment on what we have to say... In spite of how some folks feel about what they're doing. I say that's a damn far cry better than, "Let them eat cake!" At the end of the day, DA2 is telling us that they didn't ask the masses opinion on going forward, but that doesn't mean they aren't listening after the fact. Like in science, you come up with a formula and you test it. Observe the results... Rinse and repeat. We may not like being the proverbial guinea pigs, but how else are they going to know how we feel? At the end of the day, the jury is still a long way out on this and I doubt we've seen the last of whatever improvements and/or innovations BioWare has in store for us. The best I can say is, "Hang on to your senses!"

Modifié par GabrielXL, 16 juillet 2011 - 11:49 .

[Sandrius]

Something that looks this awesome.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVDZg5t7ywg&feature=related

Modifié par Sandrius, 16 juillet 2011 - 12:15 .

[ScotGaymer]

Tommy6860 wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Yeh I agree.

An acknowledgement that mistakes were made that are going to be addressed would be very nice.
An end to the PR speak and rhetoric about people who disliked DA2 or had criticisms about DA2 were merely people who were afraid of change.
An end to the use of the word "innovative" to descrube DA2. It isnt innovative in the least.

And finally, a proper expansion pack designed the tackle DA2's most critical flaws.

Thats what I would like to see.

The highlighted part of your reply is really the only part on which I can disagree. Bioware made the game they thought was best, despite the backlash, unlike I've seen levied against any Bioware game before. I certainly didn't care for the game on many levels, but why should Bioware acknowledge mistakes for making something they thought was what they wanted to sell. More importantly, that would just smack right in the face of those who really enjoyed the game and found it to their liking.

What I am saying is, we, as avid gamers, buy games at a risk. It ultimately is up to us to decide on a personal level whether the game was quality or not. I wouldn't want to force my dislike of the game on others, who liked it, by having (upon my insistence) the dev admit some faults against what they felt was was the direction they wanted to take the game.

I am sorry I do not see your logic here.

Are you saying that DA2 doesnt have flaws? Things wrong with it that ought to have been done better?

If you are, then forgive me for saying, an idiot.

If you arent then why are you disagreeing with me exactly? And how is me saying this a slap in the devs face?

EDIT:
I dont dislike DA2 for the record. I just reckon that MISTAKES WERE MADE and need to be addressed.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 16 juillet 2011 - 02:12 .

[daemon1129]

If there is one thing that would bring back the confidence I have in DA and Bioware in general, would be effort and passion. I don't think it is the matter of streamlining or dumbing down or whatever the game's direction is. I think what DA2 lacked was the genuine effort and the passion. Now I am not saying the devs puts little to no effort into the game, or they lack passion in making games. What I am saying is the short development time and the low production values paired with ridiculous marketing (pre-order bonuses and that stupid cinematic trailer) before release.

Re-used dungeons, dead city, no real consequences for the choices you make, DA2 had more effort in packaging the game for sell than effort into making a good game. Everything is about appearance and little substance. The exploding "creeps", prolonged combat with waves and falling "ninjas", a boss fight that felt out of placed but interesting at the same time, yet it's mechcanics was used only once in the game. The limitations of companion customization to allow devs to dictate the look rather than letting the actual gamer make the customizations. The awesome finishing move that we all saw in the trailer actually only appears once in game through a cutscene. There are just too much to mention.

The framed narratives? Turns out it was to make the game feel long and unique at a quick glance. It felt short when people actually get to experience it. Not necessarily the fault of the style, but the execution.  Day 1 DLCs?  So if DA2 turned gold 2 months before release, they are allowed to make DLCs for a yet to be released game and sell them when all of these should be in the game in the first place?  But it didn't turn gold that far from release date, it was much closer, yet they have the time to create another companion and a bunch of items within that short period of time, but can't even spare another month to make a few more dungeons in the game?

All of these just show DA2 is more of a quick cash grab rather than a game made with passion and effort. It shows how insignificant DA is compare to ME for Bioware and EA. Which is sad. But how to you expect a game to be great and beloved when even the makers themselves don't give a crap? Effort and Passion man. This is what I want to see in DA3.

Modifié par daemon1129, 16 juillet 2011 - 05:53 .

[Travie]

1. Origins
2. MUCH more time spent on side quests, even if there are less quests I'd like quality over quantity. You can always include more side quests later in DLC.
3. Strongholds (ala Baldur's Gate 2) for each origin or class.
4. Intensive quality control.

5. Last, but most importantly: be honest about what is in the game, and what isn't. 

The developer diaries that came out right before release competely misled the community and made them think this was a much different game then it turned out to be, not to mention the trailer.

Modifié par Travie, 16 juillet 2011 - 06:41 .

[Savber100]

Charons Regale wrote...

Why is there a loss of credibility, the game didn't offend me? Did your PC burp whilst installing the game and spit out the installation disc? Am I being sarcastic, yes, because I just think this kind of discussion is rather pointless because it only serves the "wants' of that particular person, and it isn't universal. Everybody wants something, but everyone isn't happy with what everyone else wants. Just saying, that's all.

While it's not universal that DA2 was a bad game... there's pretty much an general agreement that DA2 was a disappointment compared to DA:O. Don't believe me? Take a walk around Youtube, RPG forums (rpgfan.com etc.) Look at the polls here... we might not reflect even a 5% of the current Bioware world but the fact that even the most commited Bioware fans are split 50:50 to DA2's merits is a bad sign. 

Archaven wrote...
Wow Savber100 you sum up what i wanted for the next DA! .. Honestly just forget about DA.. All of you should aware that Bioware has already sold themselves to the devil. Looking at such a short development time and they may require to spam out a game every year? Just forget it.. Bioware is not up to the task for a quality AAA title in just 1 year. Not even CDPR could do that.

I would only be expecting more or less the same that they probably reusing DAO engine, enhancing it visually and hopefully we have a more engaging story and plot in the next DA.

Don't even mention about the free DLCs.. EAWare is all about money. You be expecting even more item pack DLC#? if it weren't for the major backlash of the title.

Now it seems very weird that the FANS is showing EAWare how to do business here. Shameful in my opinion.

It's called hope. You should try it sometimes. 

Despite Bioware's failings, they DO try to listen. I'm hopeful that they will remember the old fans of DA:O and the reason why so many people decided to invest 100+ hrs into DA:O. I hope they return to their roots. I hope they will fight hard to remain commited to make a great game despite everything. 

Here's to hoping... :innocent:

[erynnar]

Charons Regale wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

If you think this discussion is pointless why are you posting in this thread in the first place? To tell everyone that their opinions as asked by the OP have no value because you say so? The point of the OP's thread is to voice what those who've lost confidence in the DA series is needed to trust BW fully for DA3. Obviously you haven't, but don't insult those of us who have lost confidence in BW.

I apologize if I grated you, but...

You just implied something I actually didn't. Your offense now, by being seemingly offending by my remark, by injecting words that were not stated by me. If you want to take my "pointless" remark out of context, the integrity of your reply is reflecting on you, not me. I only said it is pointless because (paraphrasing myself) everyone wants something particular that seems everyone else doesn't want. I wasn't displeased with the game really, so I don't want a change. I didn't want another Origins, and if there is a DA3, I don't want another DA2, but that is me .

Now, back to the topic.

Then there was only a need to state, that you didn't need anything and you didn't need another Origins, instead of the sarcasm. Or not post in this thread at all since it has so little meaning for you..

Coersion should come back. I want the ablitiy to persuade or intimidate again.

[Dragoonlordz]

I agree with Ery in that I also want non-combat skills to come back such as the ones Ery mentioned and more such as stealth outside combat maybe pickpocketing etc, not every thing in a game should revolve around hacking and slashing and spells in combat.

However the term 'tip of the iceberg' springs to mind. The majority of what wrote in my review would need to be implemented around above 50% for me to get back into the DA franchise, thats unfortuantly just how damaging the DA2 title was with regards to my opinion and interest in the DA universe product line from here on out.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 juillet 2011 - 01:08 .

[csfteeeer]

1.and the most important one, the game is not being Released in 2012, or 2013, it will be released  somewhere in late 2014, or 2015(by that time we will probably see a new gen,  hopefully it'll be there too, but that's a little too much)
if it's rushed, the screw that game, i have no interest.

2. get rid of this weird and washed out art style, it all looks is so..... squared?
i don't know, looks washed out, cartoony, and it does not work for a game that is supposed to be Dark and Mature.

3. the combat will take a few inspirations from The Witcher 2.
it'll be more realistically fast, like DAO(even though the game was unrealistically slow, it was still believable) but it will keep the fluity of DA2.
it will also stop being hideously over-the-top and there will be no explosive bodies, instead the deathblows(or executions, however you wanna call it) will be back.

4. the game will use the RED Engine.

5. they will focus A LOT less on combat, and instead will concentrate more RP elements, such as persuassion.
because, you know.... i wanna Role Play.

if they decide to listen to AT LEAST 2 of these, as soon as the news comes..... So will i.

Modifié par csfteeeer, 17 juillet 2011 - 01:30 .

[Dragoonlordz]

People always praise Bioware for their stories but imho Bioware have lost something major in that aspect, they seem to concentrate on combat way too much to make up for way to many things.

Story is good but a story should be watched in a movie, read in a book and (played) in a game and combat is not the only method for telling a story in the game. Instead of streamlining the hell out of the production of items and recipes and cutting out most if not all the non combat skills, they should be making them deeper and more important. Crafting for quests, stealing via pickpocketing quest items, stealth vanish or stalking listening in for information from NPCs, using alternative clothing to blend in and sneak around or into enemy encampments and more ways to aviod combat via coersion etc just small list of examples.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 juillet 2011 - 01:31 .

[Jademoon121]

1. Being able to have more than four conservations with your companions which you can talk to whenever you want.

2. Romances that don't feel rushed and LI's that don't feel shallow. Anders or Feris, you're still screwing with a borderline psycho.