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[dandroid91]

Hello,

I was wondering if it is possible to use non nwnscript libraries when writing nwn script code and perhaps call functions defined in another language from within nwnScript. I was interested in writing a specific game component that I want to reuse for multiple games and was interested in whether I could test it with a neverwinter nights module without haing to write it in nwnscript.

If nwn does not support this, is there any other toolset of some other bioware game that supports it? 

In case i do decide  to just rewrite that component in a specific scripting language, which of the rpg toolsets is the most potent? (I am interested in nwn 1, nwn 2, dragon age, kotor pretty much any of their rpgs)

I apologize, I have no knowledge at this point of modding any of their games, I just wanted some information from some experienced users so that i know whether these games are appropriate for what i need.

Thank you for your help.

[henesua]

This might be possible using nwnx but I don't know its capabilities, someone else will have to weigh in.

Otherwise you are limited to NSS includes.

[CID-78]

you can do it in both NWN and NWN2 by using databases, and allow your external code to access the same database. NWNX has this setup but you don't necissary need to use it to accomlish your goal.

the question is what are you going to use the external libraries for. webpages?

[dandroid91]

Thank you very much for the quick response. What I wanted was to just to tweak game content aspects through code that is extraneous to nwn script. A basic example of something that I would like to do would be: my external code checks the players status and if he's low on hitpoints (by reading some data from somewhere), tells the game to spawn some healing potions in a chest in the next chamber (this last spawning thing is of course accomplished by nwnScript - my external would just send a message like "give health" and the nwnScript will know what function to call to cater for that). The reasons I'm doing this is that I want that particular piece of code to run stuck to other games too, maybe with just a few tweaks here and there.

So what you are saying is that you can access disk stored databases in nwnScript? Then yes, I could just make some protocol of communication between the 2 processes so they exchange information by writing and reading from that shared memory region (the database).

Would this be the best course of action? If I wanted to do the same with some other bioware rpg toolkit, would a similar solution be available? Many thanks again for your support.

[henesua]

You aren't going to be able to do this by using databases only. The bioware database alone will not let you do this, and the built in database is the only database that NWN has access to (without help). Also, you need something other than NWN to execute the code in the database.

NWNX is an "external" as CID-78 says - that is additional software that you run around NWN. NWNX is your best bet in my opinion for doing this with NWN.

Modifié par henesua, 14 juillet 2011 - 03:59 .

[CID-78]

Seriously, that kind of functionality should reamin wiithin NWscript. there is no need for a external process that checks HP. Unless you want to post the player current status on a webpage in which case only a simple one way communication is necissary. monitoring the player is best and easiest done within the game. adding external sources will only slow down the process.

I hope you got something better up your sleeve before going the NWNX approach. having a loot system that adapt to how much the player get hurt is a game feature that you can do in any bioware game. DA:O has it in the OC. ie depending on number of potions you carry and what difficulty you are playing on, effect the likelyhood of getting a potion in your next loot pile.

[henesua]

CID-78 - I agree with you, but the original poster did say that he's trying to build up code libraries that he can move between different game engines. So its not that he wants to go beyond the capabilities of NSS but that he doesn't want to have to rewrite game behaviors.

I don't agree that its worth his time to use any non-commercial engine if thats his approach, but whatever.

[FunkySwerve]

dandroid91 wrote...

Hello,

I was wondering if it is possible to use non nwnscript libraries when writing nwn script code and perhaps call functions defined in another language from within nwnScript. I was interested in writing a specific game component that I want to reuse for multiple games and was interested in whether I could test it with a neverwinter nights module without haing to write it in nwnscript.

If nwn does not support this, is there any other toolset of some other bioware game that supports it? 

In case i do decide  to just rewrite that component in a specific scripting language, which of the rpg toolsets is the most potent? (I am interested in nwn 1, nwn 2, dragon age, kotor pretty much any of their rpgs)

I apologize, I have no knowledge at this point of modding any of their games, I just wanted some information from some experienced users so that i know whether these games are appropriate for what i need.

Thank you for your help.

In point of fact, this is exactly what some nwnx plugins, like NWNX_letoscript, do. They pass information by hooking local strings. Code written in letoscript is set in strings in nwnscript, and passed on to the editor when the character logs out. You can't compile it in this form, but you can certainly write it. Unless you have a very specific reason for doing this, however, as dragonsong did with letoscript, this is really not a good way to do things.

Funky

[Shadooow]

<Fluffy-Kooshy> NWNx plugin is to this as nuclear warheads are to getting rid of fire ants.

[FunkySwerve]

ShaDoOoW wrote...

<Fluffy-Kooshy> NWNx plugin is to this as nuclear warheads are to getting rid of fire ants.

Not really, in this case. You can't multiplatform with nwscript alone. Though I still love that quote in its original context.

Funky

[CID-78]

i think He should look at the extended external compiler instead. you can simply add #IF, #ELSE for game specific code. and with one easy compile flag change it will run fine on any of the older bioware games. (DA:O excluded at the time). But NWNX only support NWN and NWN2 which basically share almost all common functions. so there is very little you need to change to get a system between the two games as it is.

So with a external compiler he get more out from having a nwscript library then he can ever get out from having a NWNX and a external execution.

[dandroid91]

Back at it guys. Thank you very much for your help. I can understand what you mean, and I think my overly simplistic example was confusing, sorry. I was just trying to illustrate in which way I would want to exchange data between a nwn and some external code. Even though I could code that entire functionality in nwn script as CID-78 suggested, my code will require some data outputted by some other process running simultaneously. All this in real time. The whole external code thing was more meant to act as an intermediary between the 2 (the game and the process that provides the useful output). Sorry if I am being confusing.

So again, the big picture is some process is outputting some data, the external code processes that data in some way, and passes some messages to the nwn code. I guess that would mean I have actually 3 processes running.

[dandroid91]

CID-78 What you said is perfectly valid if I want to reuse the code for games that run on nwn script but i wanted to use it on more than just those. henesua got my point. Worth my time or not, I was just curious with experimenting with this stuff.

[CID-78]

can't you be a more specific in what you want todo. most computer only run one game/server at the time so what is it you trying to communicate with? and what is the data your exernal library need that the game doesn't provide?

[dandroid91]

the process that I'm trying to communicate with is not written by me, it's some sort of player state analyser (the actual human player) that gives data on player's state. All I know at the moment is that it provides some numerical data of the player's state, this gets picked by an intermediate module (which is my responsibility) and based on that data the intermediate sends messages to the game so it can make appropriate changes. Now my issue is: how to I get the intermediate process (which is some kind of interface between the 2 but does some processing of it's own) to communicate with the game? How can you implement in nwn script some form of message exchange with another running process? Which would be the right way to do it?

Modifié par dandroid91, 15 juillet 2011 - 06:22 .

[CID-78]

okay, but what is the goal you want to accomplish with hooking this application up. more statistcs about your player style? You are aware that if you use the NWNX approach or any other approach that the change will only be module specific. ie youir own module and not things you play online or download from the vault.

[dandroid91]

the purpose is just altering gameplay based on the data provided by the player state analyser. I understand it will be module specific, the whole thing needs all 3 processes running + my specifically coded module meant to function in conjunction with the other 2 pieces. So are you still suggesting that nwnx is the way to go (considering that i need data in real time, perhaps need to query the player status every 2 seconds)? is this the way to go?

Also is there an equivalent for dragon age origins?

[CID-78]

there is no database in DA:O, KOTOR, Jade Empire or the WItcher. so there is no safe data to read/write. but they all have a nwscript styled language, the engine function differ and so do some objects but in consensus they are the same.

[dandroid91]

Ok guys, thank you for all your great input, Special thanks to CID-78, for bearing with me. I'll try to write the post more clearly next time, and I guess I'll try what you suggested as soon as I get the opportunity.

[CID-78]

well i would still have skipped the external data analyser and written my own data analyser within the game. that does exactly what i want. if it is to simulate the DM action to balance the game. ie to make it fun independent on skill and knowledge of the D&D ruleset. but in that case you also must monitor a bit more then the player.