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[King Cousland]

 So, in Awakening we had the Architect, now in Legacy, we have the Conductor (Corypheus). Isi it just me who thinks that these "titled" and intelligent darkspawn could be the magisters who became the first spawn? 

[TEWR]

Doubtful, considering the Dwarves were the first to fight the Darkspawn long before the Magisters entered the Golden City as the Chantry claims. And what they fought were Genlocks

[Stardusk78]

The Chantry's idea is mythology.

[Hel]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Doubtful, considering the Dwarves were the first to fight the Darkspawn long before the Magisters entered the Golden City as the Chantry claims. And what they fought were Genlocks

Just because the dwarves encountered the genlocks first doesn't necessarily mean that the genlocks were the first darkspawn.

[Jamie_edmo]

^ This, i doubt the architect would be the type of darkspawn that would be on the frontline fighting dwarfs

[vehzeel]

I thought the first darkspawn were genlocks, created first by some sort of fusion between a spirit and contaminated lyrium that had entered the body of a dwarf.

The first vampires in Anne Rice's books were created by something similar, i.e. there was a spirit that could draw blood from living creatures and eventually succeeded in entering the body of some person through the bitemarks.

[Kreid]

Helekanalaith wrote...
Just because the dwarves encountered the genlocks first doesn't necessarily mean that the genlocks were the first darkspawn.

[whykikyouwhy]

If the Chantry's account is incorrect, or at least embellished for the sake of keeping the masses in line (setting up a code of morality and such), is it possible that the 'named' darkspawn are magisters, but not necessarily the magisters who went into (and tainted) the Golden City? What if a group of magisters sought to tap into or draw the power of the Old Gods before the Golden City timeline, and exposure to the deities, or experiments and magics gone awry, led to the mutation of sorts that is the Architect and company (or their predecessors)? The first generation of darkspawn may have retained some of their humanity, and each generation succeeding them would lose those qualities.

This may still fall under the line of hubris as told by the Chantry, but I see the fall of the Golden City as a sort of Tower of Babel/Atlantis myth - that by reaching beyond his means and his mortal limitations, man caused a great fall - or in this case, the Taint. I think great and grand powers existed, but rather than the magisters' attempt to access it resulting in a Maker-ordered punishment, it may have been the inability to control magics and powers (without any vengeful god scenario) that led to some downfall. Pure happenstance, or plans gone awry.

I'm sure my theory is not new, and may not lend much to the conversation, but that's what came to mind perusing this thread.

[Loyal Tevinter]

harkness72 wrote...

 So, in Awakening we had the Architect, now in Legacy, we have the Conductor (Corypheus). Isi it just me who thinks that these "titled" and intelligent darkspawn could be the magisters who became the first spawn? 

This thought has crossed my mind as well which would explain why the Grey Wardens would have needed to lock them up. But now that I think about it how would the darkspawn have survived all that time without dying?

[Tirfan]

^ Well, we actually don't have knowledge about the natural lifespan of a darkspawn, we encounter an Ancient Darkspawn in the Deep Roads in DA:O as a part of a sidequest - it is never stated exactly how ancient it is, and while it is only a single darkspawn, we could argue based on that they have rather long lifespan, or at least some do.

[Charons Regale]

Well, I guess darkspawn evolve socially into different faction/clans so to speak, similar to other races in the DA universe. Perhaps it is logical that said groups have a leader or group savant that makes things click.

[Loyal Tevinter]

Tirfan wrote...

^ Well, we actually don't have knowledge
about the natural lifespan of a darkspawn, we encounter an Ancient
Darkspawn in the Deep Roads in DA:O as a part of a sidequest - it is
never stated exactly how ancient it is, and while it is only a single
darkspawn, we could argue based on that they have rather long lifespan,
or at least some do.

That's true. Whatever the Conductor is, I can't wait to find out. ^^

Modifié par demonwolf83, 15 juillet 2011 - 05:26 .

[whykikyouwhy]

Charons Regale wrote...

Well, I guess darkspawn evolve socially into different faction/clans so to speak, similar to other races in the DA universe. Perhaps it is logical that said groups have a leader or group savant that makes things click.

So something like Land of the Lost's Enik in relation to the Sleestak? (tv show, not the film) 

[Charons Regale]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

Charons Regale wrote...

Well, I guess darkspawn evolve socially into different faction/clans so to speak, similar to other races in the DA universe. Perhaps it is logical that said groups have a leader or group savant that makes things click.

So something like Land of the Lost's Enik in relation to the Sleestak? (tv show, not the film) 

Hmm, I'll admit, I have no clue to who those characters are, or what "The Land of the Lost" is (I suspect some prehistoric themed show?). Just to clarify, I am only 23 years old (will be 24 in 2 months).

[whykikyouwhy]

Sorry. I wasn't able to provide a link for reference. And aside from now feeling old...

Land of the Lost was a kids' tv show about a family trapped in a prehistoric-esque world (parallel universe sort of thing). The Sleestak were a race of lizardmen - mostly they moved on instinct, used crude tools etc. Enik was a Sleestak capable of speech and scientific thought. He communicated with the family & begrudgingly assisted them. I think an episode hinted at his being part of an ancient branch of Sleestak, who may have built some civilization (the ruins of which served as the 'current' Sleestak home.

[Charons Regale]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

Sorry. I wasn't able to provide a link for reference. And aside from now feeling old...

Land of the Lost was a kids' tv show about a family trapped in a prehistoric-esque world (parallel universe sort of thing). The Sleestak were a race of lizardmen - mostly they moved on instinct, used crude tools etc. Enik was a Sleestak capable of speech and scientific thought. He communicated with the family & begrudgingly assisted them. I think an episode hinted at his being part of an ancient branch of Sleestak, who may have built some civilization (the ruins of which served as the 'current' Sleestak home.

I've never heard of the show, must be much older than I am. To be honest though, I grew up with very little TV fare. I spent most of my time reading mostly fantasy lore, philosophy, the sciences and I got into gaming big time about 7 years ago. My mate refuses TV when she's home, but since we game on the Xbox from time to time, we have one anyway.

[Huntress]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Doubtful, considering the Dwarves were the first to fight the Darkspawn long before the Magisters entered the Golden City as the Chantry claims. And what they fought were Genlocks

Exactly, thats one more stone for the chantry to keep people afraid of mages, I Think this darkspawn probably came from magic gone wrong, Dwarves cant cast magic spells but Genlocks can.., anyway I think they are a hole new species that somehow  hear's the dragons sleeping in the deeps.

DAO dragons seems dumbs, but maybe the one we have found are just broken links, inferior to the ones who are sleeping and only high dragon sees humanoids workshipers as allies until the egg's hatch.

[augustovj]

The first darkspawn was born when a slaver named Charlie Sheen tried to conquer all the lands of Thedas, thus creating mankind as well. Before that there was only Him and the elves He enslaved. Anyone else was tagged as being a troll and executed properly.

Modifié par augustovj, 15 juillet 2011 - 10:01 .

[Sith Grey Warden]

Hold on, where do we learn that the first darkspawn the dwarves fought were Genlocks? Maybe the first encounters were such total victories for the Darkspawn that no dwarves escaped as witnesses, giving the first Darkspawn a chance to breed armies of genlocks to fight on the front lines by creating a few broodmothers? It's entirely possible that The Architect (who I guess is suffering from amnesia) and The Conductor were among the first darkspawn (the Ancient Darkspawn from Origins also suggests that Darkspawn do not die outside of battle).

I think the idea that the first Darkspawn were mages or mage-related is important as it could help explain the existence of Genlock Emissaries.

Modifié par Sith Grey Warden, 15 juillet 2011 - 11:30 .

[Saintthanksgiving]

The first darkspawn was named Barry. He was a quiet, but polite Genlock who lived with his pet Nug "Mr. Snuggles:" A dwarven mining expedition discovered Barry's home one day while Barry was at work. The starving miners devoured Mr. Snuggles and took a rug from Barry's home that" really tied the room together. When Barry returned home and found his only friend dead, he cried for 27 minutes..... then unleashed a blight across the land.

... the rug was never found.

[Blacklash93]

Tirfan wrote...

^ Well, we actually don't have knowledge about the natural lifespan of a darkspawn, we encounter an Ancient Darkspawn in the Deep Roads in DA:O as a part of a sidequest - it is never stated exactly how ancient it is, and while it is only a single darkspawn, we could argue based on that they have rather long lifespan, or at least some do.

Darkspawn do not die from old age nor do they need things like sustenance or sleep. The taint can sustain them forever.

[Sinuphro]

harkness72 wrote...

 So, in Awakening we had the Architect, now in Legacy, we have the Conductor (Corypheus). Isi it just me who thinks that these "titled" and intelligent darkspawn could be the magisters who became the first spawn? 

the magisters weren't the 1st darkspawn. the 1st darkspawn were human mages that tried to take heaven and the maker banished them. They did not get banished out of heaven unharmed. The Maker was hurt badly and the mages that got banished were cursed with something that turned them into darkspawn. And then they procreated with humans, demons and dwarves to make those darkspawn. Did you know that demons also fear Darkspawn corruption?

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

harkness72 wrote...

 So, in Awakening we had the Architect, now in Legacy, we have the Conductor (Corypheus). Isi it just me who thinks that these "titled" and intelligent darkspawn could be the magisters who became the first spawn? 

The darkspawn in Legacy is not called the Conductor. The Conductor is an achievement relating to the Corypheus, which Gaider, after some confusion of his own, has confirmed is not related to this particular darkspawn.

So if it has a title, it's something else.

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 17 juillet 2011 - 12:15 .

[FaeQueenCory]

This is an old theory. Just check the old Awakening section for Architect threads.

But Corypheus being 2000yrs old does lend a lot of credit to this.

And to find this out is pretty much the main/only reason I'm buying Legacy....