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[EternalPink]

I've read about bullets striking the skull at an angle and rather than penetrating they curve around the skull following the path of least resistance but whether that has any basis in fact i can't really say since i've never been shot in the head.

[didymos1120]

EternalPink wrote...

I've read about bullets striking the skull at an angle and rather than penetrating they curve around the skull following the path of least resistance but whether that has any basis in fact i can't really say since i've never been shot in the head.

Yes, it does have basis in fact.  A lot of people have survived headshots, due to a variety of factors. One guy in Iraq survived a gunshot to the face because he got hit in just such a way that a tooth absorbed the impact and stopped the bullet cold.  A tooth:

http://www.snopes.co...itary/teeth.asp

[zweistein_J]

i've also heard about a case of a woman who wanted to commit suicide but the bullet stoped between the 2 brain hemispheres. win in a fail. the woman survived and kept living fine.

[Captain Crash]

 Because he had to go save New Vegas




Or  hes just damn hard  

Modifié par Captain Crash, 14 juillet 2011 - 11:14 .

[CroGamer002]

^I was thinking once to make Zaeed in New Vegas.

Not really good at replicating face.

[E-MailA.K.A.Mr.Fox]

He just slapped a lil bit of MediGel.

[Button_Mash]

Zaeed survived because Vido forgot rule #4... doubletap.

[HBC Dresden]

All this talk makes me remember why I love Zaeed despite his flaws. Too bad he will have a relegated role in ME3 (my guestimate) because of his role as a DLC character (and some people's said assumptions that a DLC character is an optional purchasable and should be treated as such in the sequel)

[taffy_17]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Yep, it's pretty much luck. Look at Phineas Gage - the guy survived an iron rod driven through his skull (unfortunately, the damage to his frontal lobe resulted in a major personality change). http://en.wikipedia....ki/Phineas_Gage

didn't you know Zaeed was actually a real nice guy before he got shot in the head?

besides I'm more concerned about how shepard managed to be brought back after being suffokated, no doupt frozen in space, then burnt up upon re-entry before probably hitting the ground very hard.
but thank god he did cause if he hadn't mass effect 2 might not have been quite as good

[DxWill10]

because rage is a hell of an anesthetic

[Cainne Chapel]

Vido should of learned from Shepard.... Even Shepard made sure his squad took steps to Make sure Saren was dead.

Double Tap for the win.

[VolusvsReaper]

ShepardTheMetalhead wrote...

Was it ever explained exactly how in the hell Zaeed survived a gunshot wound to the head? Is it because he's just a big goddamn hero?

He pulled a Dwayne Johnson in the movie Faster....metal plate in the head!

[Grunk]

http://nahright.com/...ot-in-the-head/

It happens.

[Inspectre]

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

"Rage is a hell of an anesthetic." He spelled it all out for you right there.

Seriously though, it was just a matter of luck. You can survive being shot in the head with no long-term damage if it misses your brain. It's incredibly rare, but possible.

Not with mass effect rounds; his brain should've been scrambled eggs!  But he's too much of a gary-stu, so there goes logic/realism. <_<

[ThePwener]

Many people have survived point blank headshots. Most end up brain damaged. Others turn out fine but with a metal plate. The few with just a scar.

[tobynator89]

Dragon XIX wrote...

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

"Rage is a hell of an anesthetic." He spelled it all out for you right there.

Seriously though, it was just a matter of luck. You can survive being shot in the head with no long-term damage if it misses your brain. It's incredibly rare, but possible.

Not with mass effect rounds; his brain should've been scrambled eggs!  But he's too much of a gary-stu, so there goes logic/realism. <_<

firstly, you need to check up on your definition of gary stu.

Secondly, if the round didn't tumble or fragment (which happens) it would do less damage than a modern day firearm.

Modifié par tobynator89, 15 juillet 2011 - 03:13 .

[Foolsfolly]

Maybe what happened to Zaeed is the same kind of thing that happened to Rep. Gabby Giffords. Only 22nd century medical science is much better at repairing that level of damage.

That is an excellent recent example. People have actually survived headshots.

Mass Effect projectiles people! They don't penetrate like today's bullets do. Sure, in most cases, the kinetic energy would probably scramble your brains instantly, but there still isn't that larger projectile actually entering your brain and tearing chunks of it out.

That may actually make it better. If it's just like a railgun. Bullets are destructive things.

It's been forever since psych class...but allow me to Google around a bit to find my example...found it Phineas Gage had a railroad spike shot through his head, suffering massive damage to his left frontal lobe. He lived through that with some behavioral changes. Interesting case and an interesting day in psych class we examined what happened to him.

It's totally possible that Zaeed can get shot through the head, be left for dead, and keep living. Especially since Phineas Gage lived through it back with 1840s medical technology and know-how.

[therussianviking]

essarr71 wrote...

Being stubborn > helmet

Besides the fact that helmet's aren't made to stop bullets...

[_aLucidMind]

A man in my city actually attempted to commit suicide with a shotgun; while he completely obliterated his face, he survived. Like other posters have said, it is a huge amount of luck.

Hell, there is a case where one man attempted suicide due to severe clinical depression with a pistol to head. I forget where the bullet went through, but he survived. Turns out, the bullet wound up basically giving him a form of lobotomy because it severed the connection between the segment of the brain causing the depression and the rest of the organ; he no longer was depressed.

[Reapinger]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Maybe what happened to Zaeed is the same kind of thing that happened to Rep. Gabby Giffords. Only 22nd century medical science is much better at repairing that level of damage.

That is an excellent recent example. People have actually survived headshots.

Mass Effect projectiles people! They don't penetrate like today's bullets do. Sure, in most cases, the kinetic energy would probably scramble your brains instantly, but there still isn't that larger projectile actually entering your brain and tearing chunks of it out.

That may actually make it better. If it's just like a railgun. Bullets are destructive things.

It's been forever since psych class...but allow me to Google around a bit to find my example...found it Phineas Gage had a railroad spike shot through his head, suffering massive damage to his left frontal lobe. He lived through that with some behavioral changes. Interesting case and an interesting day in psych class we examined what happened to him.

It's totally possible that Zaeed can get shot through the head, be left for dead, and keep living. Especially since Phineas Gage lived through it back with 1840s medical technology and know-how.

Poor Phineas also had his personality altered as a result.  Zaeed had the distinct advantage by being shot in the 22nd century. 

[Sheppard-Commander]

therussianviking wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

Being stubborn > helmet

Besides the fact that helmet's aren't made to stop bullets...

Neither is your face.

_aLucidMind wrote...

A man in my city actually attempted
to commit suicide with a shotgun; while he completely obliterated his
face, he survived. Like other posters have said, it is a huge amount of
luck.

Err... I'm not sure I would call that lucky.

Modifié par Sheppard-Commander, 15 juillet 2011 - 04:38 .

[marshalleck]

didymos1120 wrote...

EternalPink wrote...

I've read about bullets striking the skull at an angle and rather than penetrating they curve around the skull following the path of least resistance but whether that has any basis in fact i can't really say since i've never been shot in the head.

Yes, it does have basis in fact.  A lot of people have survived headshots, due to a variety of factors. One guy in Iraq survived a gunshot to the face because he got hit in just such a way that a tooth absorbed the impact and stopped the bullet cold.  A tooth:

http://www.snopes.co...itary/teeth.asp

What an amazing story. If I were the person who shot him point blank in the face, only to see him shrug it off and charge at me, that would scare the hell out of me into surrendering immediately as well. LOL. 

[Inspectre]

tobynator89 wrote...


firstly, you need to check up on your definition of gary stu.

I thought uber-leet and without fault was the definition.  What's your definition?

tobynator89 wrote...

Secondly, if the round didn't tumble or fragment (which happens) it would do less damage than a modern day firearm.

So acording to you... Mass Effect weapons are inferior to modern weapons?  Why the hell would humanity change weapon types if the new one was worse?

The books said some guy got a glancing hit on his leg, which was said to have completely shredded the muscle.  So naturally I loled at Saeed when he talked about getting shot, canonly I imagine that he's deranged.

[Vengeful Nature]

nhsk wrote...

Vengeful Nature wrote...

Doesn't anyone watch the news any more? A prominent US politician was shot in the head fairly recently and survived. It can take a while to recover, but consider the fact that medical science in the late 22nd century will probably be more advanced than today, so recovery time might be far quicker. Basically, it's quite possible for Zaeed to have survived.

I don't think Zaeed had any real medical care ASAP, "shot in the back and left to rot, that's definitely Vidos style" - Zaeed was probably shot, left to rot, waking up after several hours or days and limped to a Hospital to get sown together but by the looks of his scars it was very late.

Again, there's a lot of luck involved. The bullet might have travelled around his skill and knocked him out, so he appeared dead. Plus, Vido might also have been happy, even if he didn't kill him outright, to leave him there to die of infection or give him an impromptu lobotamy, which in my mind is worse than death. But against all odds he survived ("rage is an anaesthetic" thing) to make it to some outpost somewhere, where he recieved medical attention.

Basically, we don't know the full story. People survive gunshot wounds to the head in real life, so it's not too hard to believe. To be honest, I'm more suprised at Shepard acting so surprised. He's a soldier, he should know about this kind of thing.

Dragon XIX wrote...

So acording to you... Mass Effect weapons are inferior to modern weapons?  Why the hell would humanity change weapon types if the new one was worse?

The books said some guy got a glancing hit on his leg, which was said to have completely shredded the muscle.  So naturally I loled at Saeed when he talked about getting shot, canonly I imagine that he's deranged.

The projectiles of a railgun travel much much faster than bullets from a modern gas-operated firearm. If the bullet didn't shatter or squash on impact, it very likely traveled right through and kept on going, causing minimal damage. The case you describe is almost certainly an example of a projectile shattering or squashing properly, causing a lot of damage.

Modifié par Vengeful Nature, 15 juillet 2011 - 09:59 .

[Inspectre]

Vengeful Nature wrote...

The projectiles of a railgun travel much much faster than bullets from a modern gas-operated firearm. If the bullet didn't shatter or squash on impact, it very likely traveled right through and kept on going, causing minimal damage. The case you describe is almost certainly an example of a projectile shattering or squashing properly, causing a lot of damage.

Railgun projectiles ignite the air around it, and 50 caliber bullets tear limbs off.  There are two ways bullets do damage.

We won't be using these to stab terrorists.

Modifié par Dragon XIX, 16 juillet 2011 - 05:12 .