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[CroGamer002]

leonia42 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

You can't use indoctrination for yourself, only Reapers can do it.
Wow, that's very useful to stop them.

We learned that indoctrination creates a direct link between the one being indoctrinated and the Reapers.. even when they are as far away as dark space. That's pretty freaking useful intel right there. Granted, the experiments aren't done yet, you can't conclude from one test everything there is to know. We only know that we can try to use indoctrination ourselves, now we have to learn how to reverse the effects. There's more to do yet.

Problem.

Harbinger fixed only problem with that by, you know, releasing control of this form.

Useless.

[Leonia]

Mesina2 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

It is ironic that the man being experimented on has the surname Grayson.

A lot of Cerberus' experiments follow this trend, lots of questionable and morally arguable decisions regarding human and alien life done in the attempt to prevent the loss of even more human lives once the Reapers show up.

You may not agree with their methods but don't question their motives.

Ok, now I'm starting to sound pro-Cerberus..

Their motives in Retribution are defiantly not in stopping the Reapers.

Researching indoctrination helps nobody.



Also we already find out from Geth that indoctrination doesn't work on synthetics.

So when the Reapers invade and start indoctrianting people.. their already large army becomes even bigger because they have captured humans and every other species as their slaves. We shouldn't worry about that at all, that's not important. The Reapers are already nearly impossible to defeat, what's a few trillion more troops to worry about?

And yes indoctrination doesn't work on synthetics. Ok, what does that have to do with anything? Humans, turians, salarians, ect. are organic life forms. The only synthetics out there are the geth themslves and clearly they have issues with the Reapers (Heretic geths) without having indoctrination working on them anyway. Not sure how that's at all relevant to this conversation though.

[Dave of Canada]

Mesina2 wrote...

Problem.

Harbinger fixed only problem with that by, you know, releasing control of this form.

Useless.

... are you trying to be intentionally dismissive?

[Leonia]

Mesina2 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

You can't use indoctrination for yourself, only Reapers can do it.
Wow, that's very useful to stop them.

We learned that indoctrination creates a direct link between the one being indoctrinated and the Reapers.. even when they are as far away as dark space. That's pretty freaking useful intel right there. Granted, the experiments aren't done yet, you can't conclude from one test everything there is to know. We only know that we can try to use indoctrination ourselves, now we have to learn how to reverse the effects. There's more to do yet.

Problem.

Harbinger fixed only problem with that by, you know, releasing control of this form.

Useless.

That wasn't indoctrination and he could only control one person at a time. All indoctrinated individuals can be use as spies by the Reapers before they even reach our galaxy. Remember all those random indoctirnation devices we've found? Those artefacts that create husks and indoctrinated individuals? There could be spies for the Reapers already. If not for the Grayson experiment (as terrible as it was from an ethics perspective) we would not have known about this potentially bad situation. If we can make direct contact with the Reapers (via indoctrination or whatever) perhaps it is possible for US to influence THEM as well. Who knows? More experiments need to be done.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

It sounds like some of you would be perfectly fine with the idea of Cerberus creating their own reaper with the reaper base.

After all, if we can better study the process of how reapers are born then we can better understand their physical characteristics and try to develop better ways of destroying them, right? I mean, what's a few hundred thousand or million lives compared to the theoretical potential of those we could conceivably save?

[Icinix]

I support the invasive and torturous study of TIM and that Lang guy under the goal of studying indoctrination.

Everybody wins!

[Dave of Canada]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

It sounds like some of you would be perfectly fine with the idea of Cerberus creating their own reaper with the reaper base.

After all, if we can better study the process of how reapers are born then we can better understand their physical characteristics and try to develop better ways of destroying them, right? I mean, what's a few hundred thousand or million lives compared to the theoretical potential of those we could conceivably save?

Except for it being impossible, I do agree with the idea in theory even if you're not bringing it up as a real suggestion.

The thing is, when faced with total destruction of all life in the galaxy, I'd be willing to destroy countless species / planets to make sure there's still life in the galaxy after all. Hundreds of millions dead is better than everybody being dead. Who cares about morals if I'm (and everybody else is) dead?

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 15 juillet 2011 - 01:50 .

[Pulletlamer]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

It sounds like some of you would be perfectly fine with the idea of Cerberus creating their own reaper with the reaper base.

After all, if we can better study the process of how reapers are born then we can better understand their physical characteristics and try to develop better ways of destroying them, right? I mean, what's a few hundred thousand or million lives compared to the theoretical potential of those we could conceivably save?

+1. Exactly my point.

[Leonia]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

It sounds like some of you would be perfectly fine with the idea of Cerberus creating their own reaper with the reaper base.

After all, if we can better study the process of how reapers are born then we can better understand their physical characteristics and try to develop better ways of destroying them, right? I mean, what's a few hundred thousand or million lives compared to the theoretical potential of those we could conceivably save?

Well when you put it like that, it does seem like a reasonable course of action to take.

But let's not study indoctrination at all and see how quickly we lose the war, shall we?

[CroGamer002]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Their motives in Retribution are defiantly not in stopping the Reapers.

Researching indoctrination helps nobody.

... except researching indocrination is researching on how to stop the greatest weapon in the Reaper arsenal.

How many times must it be said?

Drugging a guy with Red Sand after torturing him for long time is the way to stop indoctrination?
I don't buy that.


Also you know what is great way to avoid indoctrination?

Avoid being in Reaper or near Reaper artifact few days in row.
Simple solution.


Now please tell me how will we stop Reapers while they still have those giant lasers and almost indestructible shields?

[Leonia]

Avoid being around Reapers when they invade, brilliant strategy!

[Barquiel]

Arcian wrote...

I'll only call them purely evil if they announce plans to obliterate all alien life in the galaxy to make way for a human-only empire.

That's probably their plan in ME3. But I am sure the Cerberus apologists will still call them morally grey.

[CroGamer002]

leonia42 wrote...

That wasn't indoctrination and he could only control one person at a time. All indoctrinated individuals can be use as spies by the Reapers before they even reach our galaxy. Remember all those random indoctirnation devices we've found? Those artefacts that create husks and indoctrinated individuals? There could be spies for the Reapers already. If not for the Grayson experiment (as terrible as it was from an ethics perspective) we would not have known about this potentially bad situation. If we can make direct contact with the Reapers (via indoctrination or whatever) perhaps it is possible for US to influence THEM as well. Who knows? More experiments need to be done.

Saren.

[Pulletlamer]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Except for it being impossible, I do agree with the idea in theory even if you're not bringing it up as a real suggestion.

The thing is, when faced with total destruction of all life in the galaxy, I'd be willing to destroy countless species / planets to make sure there's still life in the galaxy after all. Hundreds of millions dead is better than everybody being dead. Who cares about morals if I'm (and everybody else is) dead?

The problem is that they won't be dead they would be turned into liquid to server as combustible for a reaper, huskified, or indoctrinated. I would prefer being dead rather than being liquified.

It's horrible to even think that the galaxy could live with that happening and Cerberus getting the upper hand in galaxy dominance. I would much rather die than be saved by cerberus and then turned into something else via experiments.

[Dave of Canada]

Mesina2 wrote...

Drugging a guy with Red Sand after torturing him for long time is the way to stop indoctrination?
I don't buy that.

When it helps quicken the effects and allows for quicker study? Yes.

Also you know what is great way to avoid indoctrination?

Avoid being in Reaper or near Reaper artifact few days in row.
Simple solution.

Have fun doing that when there's Reapers invading the galaxy, dropping their artifacts all over the place.

Now please tell me how will we stop Reapers while they still have those giant lasers and almost indestructible shields?

Who says that isn't being studied either (well, before Anderson screws it up)? We saw the study of ONE Cerberus cell centered on studying indocrination.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Dave of Canada wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Of course I should question their motives. Cerberus was there before they knew about the reapers. Their initial goal had nothing to do with them.

They were created to combat the Reapers shortly after the First Contact War.

It's a black ops organization gone rogue.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 15 juillet 2011 - 01:53 .

[Dave of Canada]

Pulletlamer wrote...

It's horrible to even think that the galaxy could live with that happening and Cerberus getting the upper hand in galaxy dominance. I would much rather die than be saved by cerberus and then turned into something else via experiments.

Galactic extinction instead of letting an organization you hate do something you don't want to save the galaxy? Wonderful, glad you aren't in charge.

Oh wait. D:

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 15 juillet 2011 - 01:55 .

[Dave of Canada]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

It's a black ops organization gone rogue.

Retconned by the comic.
TIM founded it to combat the Reapers and make sure humanity is ready to survive.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 15 juillet 2011 - 01:54 .

[CroGamer002]

leonia42 wrote...

Avoid being around Reapers when they invade, brilliant strategy!

IN Reaper.
You need to be pretty close to Reaper devices to be indoctrinated.



And even without indoctrination, they still have big firepower to annihilated galactic civilizations.

[Pulletlamer]

Mesina2 wrote...

Drugging a guy with Red Sand after torturing him for long time is the way to stop indoctrination?
I don't buy that.


Also you know what is great way to avoid indoctrination?

Avoid being in Reaper or near Reaper artifact few days in row.
Simple solution.


Now please tell me how will we stop Reapers while they still have those giant lasers and almost indestructible shields?

Exactly. Doesn't matter if you're an expert in indoctrination if you can't hurt the reaper. What are you going to do?. Oh, yes, experiment with thousands of people and send your own indoctrinated servants  to the reapers to kill it.

Dave of Canada wrote...

Galactic extinction instead of
letting an organization you hate do something you don't want to save the
galaxy? Wonderful, glad you aren't in charge.

Oh wait. D:

Galactic extinction insteand of being turned into a husk serving The Illusive Man like a mindless puppet? Yes, please, extinguish me.

Modifié par Pulletlamer, 15 juillet 2011 - 01:57 .

[Dave of Canada]

Mesina2 wrote...

IN Reaper.
You need to be pretty close to Reaper devices to be indoctrinated.

Except the farmers who were far away from Sovereign (and Manuel) were being indocrinated.

Hell, Manuel GOT indocrinated. And he wasn't even close to where Sovereign landed.

And even without indoctrination, they still have big firepower to annihilated galactic civilizations.

But without indocrination, they don't have an army of slaves/infiltrators and husks. And we have more potential allies as everybody who isn't dead is helping us.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Dave of Canada wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

It's a black ops organization gone rogue.

Retconned by the comic.
TIM founded it to combat the Reapers and make sure humanity is ready to survive.

I don't care about BW's merchandise. I play the games. Nothing there indicates what you said above.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 15 juillet 2011 - 01:59 .

[Leonia]

The experiments weren't finished, you can't stop what you don't understand. Better to know how it works and find a way to weaken it than to not try at all.