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[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

I'm sure Someone With Mass isn't that bad looking. Go ahead, it won't kill you.

I know you're a pathetic twerp who's always siding with the minority no matter what. You don't have to tell me that.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Also, if the Collector base can't help against the Reapers then it can't be dangerous either.

It's either useful because it contains volatile technology or it is useless and harmless.

Oh, that's a good comparison. It's like saying that a openly available nuclear bomb isn't dangerous just because it can't help against a certain enemy.

Being that naive is not good for you.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 16 juillet 2011 - 10:48 .

[Phaedon]

Saphra Deden wrote...
Also, if the Collector base can't help against the Reapers then it can't be dangerous either.

It's either useful because it contains volatile technology or it is useless and harmless. 

Nope.avi

It could be harmful, but not harmful enough to cause a disadvantage towards the Reapers, but enough towards the organics/Alliance/aliens.

Either way, if it is useful against the Reapers, it is also useful against the aliens, and guess what, Cerberus will be the only one controlling it. And Cerberus is so trustworthy.

Admit it, there was always a risk with dealing with Cerberus, let alone giving WMDs to illegal organizations, terrorists and supremacists at that.

Apparently Cerberus is not trustworthy. They either messed up (again), or they fooled you.

Someone With Mass wrote...
I know you're a pathetic twerp who's always siding with the minority no matter what. You don't have to tell me that.

BSN: The Hipster Invasion


Then again, baseless whining is mainstream around these parts.

Modifié par Phaedon, 16 juillet 2011 - 10:50 .

[Crooty]

collecter's sucked. so i blew up their base. Also i wa sapragon and it was more paragony.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...
What enemy are we talking about here?

A nuclear bomb would be effective against most anything, though it would be overkill and the very literal fallout might wind up being worse than the original problem.

I really don't think that's the case with the Collector base. It was being used to build a Reaper and knowing how Reapers are constructed would be useful in trying to find efficient ways to destroying them. In the end the "fallout" won't matter because everyone in the galaxy will be examining Reaper technology anyway.

Thus there is no reason not save it because destroying it doesn't accomplish anything and also provides no possible rewards.

Congratulations. You finally understood my analogy.

And you know that the galaxy will have Reaper tech everywhere and make itself more vulnerable as it keeps going further down the beaten path...how, exactly?

Not to mention that you're expecting everyone from the lowest merc band to crime lords in control over entire star systems to comprehend the technology the Reapers might leave behind, and have the resources to examine it properly. That's funny, considering that the galaxy couldn't even understand Prothean technology.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Well I assume that when we defeat the Reapers their corpses will be left all over the galaxy. That's logical, isn't it? Am I wrong? If so, how and why?

No, I mean, why do you think every society in the galaxy would want to incorporate the same technology that tried to kill them? 

[Phaedon]

Saphra Deden wrote...
Which is useful technology to have at our disposal for experimentation and study.

Yes, there are dangers, but those dangers are the very same things which would be very useful to have anyway.

Destroying the base also won't make them go away because the Reapers will bring them to you.

Except that giving a WMD to an illegal organization that leader of which openly admits wanting to harm aliens, is useless against the 20,000 WMDs that the Reapers have, but can still cause harm to everyone but the Reapers.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

I'm sure many will fail to reverse engineer it. I'm not talking about the petty warlords and criminals. All the major governments and tech firms will be playing with the stuff. It has too many practical uses not to be studied. It will happen.

Yeah, I guess brainwashing would be such a morally correct thing to do.

And if you're implying that all the so evil aliens will turn on humanity with the newly found technology, I can just say that humanity deserves it. The faster they kill off the "humans are so special" BS, the better.

[In Exile]

Saphra Deden wrote...
Also, if the Collector base can't help against the Reapers then it can't be dangerous either.

It's either useful because it contains volatile technology or it is useless and harmless.

Do you hate logic or something? Something can be useless and dangerous at the same time. 

[littlezack]

It certainly wasn't harmless. Unless you consider kidnapping millions of colonists and melting them into genetic paste 'harmless'.

[Arijharn]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

If it's a Paragon choice, you know that the game has got you covered... I wouldn't worry about it.

[In Exile]

Luc0s wrote...
How is experimenting met INDOCTRINATION tech useful? The only use I can think of is studying how to undo indoctrination, which could for example result in anti-indoctrination grenades, similar to the anti-thorian grenades on Feros. 

Or it could be irreversible, where even studying it leads to no fruitful discoveries. Or it could be impossible to study without being idoctrinated yourself.

These doomsday scenarios are as unrealistic as assuming that in 1-3 years it would be possible to both understand the theory and production of the technology and its counter-measures. 

[Il Divo]

In Exile wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...
Also, if the Collector base can't help against the Reapers then it can't be dangerous either.

It's either useful because it contains volatile technology or it is useless and harmless.

Do you hate logic or something? Something can be useless and dangerous at the same time. 

Exactly. Utility is all relative. What is useful to the Reapers may not be useful to organics. Perhaps the base is capable of long-term indoctrination and contains the technology that created the Collector species, but for organics would not have anything that helps us destroy the Reapers in the long run. That's a case where we risk indoctrination with very little benefit.

Modifié par Il Divo, 16 juillet 2011 - 03:32 .

[In Exile]

Il Divo wrote...
Exactly. Utility is all relative. What is useful to the Reapers may not be useful to organics. Perhaps the base is capable of long-term indoctrination and contains the technology that created the Collector species, but for organics would not have anything that helps us destroy the Reapers in the long run. That's a case where we risk indoctrination with very little benefit.

To me, it's the opposite of the ME1 endgame.

There, you essentially had to hope for the best while trying to save the Ascension. You were rolling the dice either way, but the basic principle didn't require all that much special knowledge: Sovereign matters, the human fleet can avoid engagement with the geth, we can pick up the pieces later. 

The reaper base is different, because it's an unknown. I destroyed it in my cannon playthrough for the sake reason I destroyed the genophage cure and blew up the heretics: because there was no way to be sure and sometimes preserving the galaxy is about what chances you don't take. 

Modifié par In Exile, 16 juillet 2011 - 03:40 .

[CaptainHydra]

The reason I blew it up, simple, TIM didn't get that I was calling a bell end of astronomical proportions in our chats and what is a better to way to say 'F**k you!' as a semi-resignation than blow something to high heavens.

[Nizzemancer]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Oh, that's a good comparison. It's like saying that a openly available nuclear bomb isn't dangerous just because it can't help against a certain enemy.

Being that naive is not good for you.

What enemy are we talking about here?

A nuclear bomb would be effective against most anything, though it would be overkill and the very literal fallout might wind up being worse than the original problem.

I really don't think that's the case with the Collector base. It was being used to build a Reaper and knowing how Reapers are constructed would be useful in trying to find efficient ways to destroying them. In the end the "fallout" won't matter because everyone in the galaxy will be examining Reaper technology anyway.

Thus there is no reason not save it because destroying it doesn't accomplish anything and also provides no possible rewards.

We're not talking about nukes here, even tough they aren't effective against everything as you seem to belive with your limited mindset. "Ohhh look big explosion, that's the most effective weapon ever!".
What if they have a weapon on the table there that's made to only kill organics, we wold have no use for a weapon that's only effective at killing us. It's sort of like the movie "evolution" where they try to kill the enemy with fire/napalm but end up making it stronger instead, sure, napalm is effective against humans but in that case it made the aliens become more powerful.

To actully find out how to build a reaper you'd have to make one and study it, costing thousands of human lives, for what? we already know that enough firepower will take down their barriers, we just don't have enough firepower to take them on head on.

Here's something very elementary you should know about warfare: Deny the enemy resources as much as possible. so yeah, destroying it accomplish a great deal.

[Adanu]

nhsk wrote...
 Giving the base to Cerberus would only further Reaper goals, any technology gained from Reapers can probably with no greater effort be shut down by Reapers.

Thanix Cannon.

[ThePwener]

Adanu wrote...

nhsk wrote...
 Giving the base to Cerberus would only further Reaper goals, any technology gained from Reapers can probably with no greater effort be shut down by Reapers.

Thanix Cannon.

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