That's because the UN is the world police only theoretically. The Yugoslavian situation really made them look bad with innocents dying and them not intervening, and the Americans who weren't that innocent either storming without permission.Mesina2 wrote...
I have to disagree, Council is nothing like UN.
Council isn't completely useless.
LIke they were freely willing to share the thanix cannons?Phaedon wrote...
And they would probably share the tech with other species, at least to defend against the Reapers.
Modifié par marshalleck, 16 juillet 2011 - 08:31 .
marshalleck wrote...
Yes. Which is why it's so preposterous for people to champion the Council and demonize Cerberus.
Phaedon wrote...
*snip*
Ryzaki wrote...
marshalleck wrote...
Yes. Which is why it's so preposterous for people to champion the Council and demonize Cerberus.
You have to admit thought the Council doesn't manage to screw up as badly.
Phaedon wrote...
Black ops is your answer.Seboist wrote...
It's too politically infeasable for the Alliance to deal with the CB due to the whole situation between citadel space and the terminus. It's better for an outlawed "terrorist" organization that many don't know much about to deal with it than risk any political blowback like slavers/mercs attacking Alliance colonies over intrusion into their turf.
Phaedon wrote...
That's because the UN is the world police only theoretically. The Yugoslavian situation really made them look bad with innocents dying and them not intervening, and the Americans who weren't that innocent either storming without permission.
Libya is a relatively good example of what the UN can be. They still don't deploy troops, but hey, at least they helped the rebels.
marshalleck wrote...
I have to do no such thing. Council history is one mishap after another, all because of one root cause--they refuse to act on anything, in the interests of anyone other than the big three, until the war has already kicked in their front door.
And Cerberus just happens to be the black ops arm of the Alliance.Phaedon wrote...
Black ops is your answer.
Prove?Someone With Mass wrote...
And until you can prove that not taking that path when it comes to Reaper technology equals certain death, I'm just going to laugh every time.
Inverness Moon wrote...
That seems like a silly question to ask. Here is another silly one: why would Shepard care about the other races?
The answer: because having allies in a war improves your chances of success.
Do you think TIM is blind to this? Do you think TIM believes allowing the reapers to pick off each race one at a time is a good idea? I don't.
Waiting until the aliens are weak would just mean less allies to help humanity survive.
If you think TIM can't see the value of allies then you're not looking at him realistically I think.
Yeap, helping rebels (with goals that we don´t even know) to defeat a dictator who was brought to power by them, so he went rogue and now the UN doesn´t allow his murders because now they don´t gain nothing from the opression of someone who doesn´t follow their orders, so they start a civil war in the country to change a puppet for another puppet.Phaedon wrote...
That's because the UN is the world police only theoretically. The Yugoslavian situation really made them look bad with innocents dying and them not intervening, and the Americans who weren't that innocent either storming without permission.Mesina2 wrote...
I have to disagree, Council is nothing like UN.
Council isn't completely useless.
Libya is a relatively good example of what the UN can be. They still don't deploy troops, but hey, at least they helped the rebels.
Modifié par mauro2222, 16 juillet 2011 - 08:43 .
Ryzaki wrote...
marshalleck wrote...
Yes. Which is why it's so preposterous for people to champion the Council and demonize Cerberus.
You have to admit thought the Council doesn't manage to screw up as badly. That's my issue with Cerberus. I have no problems with backstabbers.
Inverness Moon wrote...
And Cerberus just happens to be the black ops arm of the Alliance.
Bnol wrote...
Uplift Krogan to fight Rachni, neuter Krogan afterwards. Deny help to Quarians in Morning War and deny Quarians a planet afterwards. Ignore Geth/Reapers and almost get destroyed (or get destroyed for the Renegades). Hmmm, not a great history of massive success when dealing with problems.
I don't think that's possible if you reveal the CB to all councilors at the same time. And red tape? The council likes power, they wouldn't just have the CB lying there.Inverness Moon wrote...
I'm sure they could produce something significant. But if they don't believe in the reapers, what will they do with it? Will they just allow the base to sit behind mountains of red tape? Will they fret over who gets what technology?
I don't expect them to realize the truth until the reapers kick their doors in.
There's nothing to hinder. Shepard has no use for the CB, better give it to a powerful unionship of races so that they can become more powerful before the attack.The Council has already hindered Shepard at every step before, I don't expect them to stop now.
Shepards who destroy the base question that in the cutscene with TIM. Still, it's one race. We need to protect as many races as possible.Cerberus is not the sole beneficiary of whatever it develops. That technology goes to the Alliance, because they represent humanity's power in the galaxy.
I only doubt that they can make a pseudo-Reaper out of this. They'd need to reverse engineer the tech. to make the ship controllable.Are you suggesting that the Alliance getting better technology would suddenly drive allies? Why? That is assuming information on upgrades are made public.
Okay.And I'm just saying it makes no sense, so I don't think there is a point to talking about it.
The Cerberus isn't the Alliance. At least not anymore. I doubt Cerberus would hand the tech to the Alliance.As I said previously, Cerberus would not be the sole beneficiary.What exactly could they gain, if even a single Reaper wouldn't be enough?
Well, I am just merely pointing out one of the potential complications of that hypothetical scenario.Considering a reaper flagship is merely a fantasy of mine, this isn't a problem.
Here's the flaw in that theory;That seems like a silly question to ask. Here is another silly one: why would Shepard care about the other races?
The answer: because having allies in a war improves your chances of success.
Do you think TIM is blind to this? Do you think TIM believes allowing the reapers to pick off each race one at a time is a good idea? I don't.
I don't know. Harbinger controlled the Collector General, there is no reason for there to actually be blueprints laying around.Unlike the protheans we have a relatively intact base used for reaper construction to go through.
If the protheans had access to a mass relay factory I doubt it would have taken nearly as long for them. And remember that the mass relays are specifically designed to be used but not understood.
Modifié par Phaedon, 16 juillet 2011 - 08:45 .
Phaedon wrote...
I don't know. Harbinger controlled the Collector General, there is no reason for there to actually be blueprints laying around.
Modifié par Dave of Canada, 16 juillet 2011 - 08:44 .
Ryzaki wrote...
Ignore Reapers because there really wasn't any proof of them? Yes how utterly preposterous. (The geth threat shouldn't have been ignored however). And yet they dealt with te Krogan and Rachni without needing Shep janitor to solve their issues.
Modifié par ThePwener, 16 juillet 2011 - 08:45 .
Ryzaki wrote...
marshalleck wrote...
I have to do no such thing. Council history is one mishap after another, all because of one root cause--they refuse to act on anything, in the interests of anyone other than the big three, until the war has already kicked in their front door.
AH fine then.
I really do want to run the council, alliance and Cerberus into the ground and build something new. Arrange for an "accident" to all the top people. Reapers did it.
Modifié par marshalleck, 16 juillet 2011 - 08:50 .
Are you serious? The only reason we got the Thanix Canon was because of Garrus.Phaedon wrote...
And they would probably share the tech with other species, at least to defend against the Reapers.
Potential allies, like who? Certainly not any of the galactic governments that deny the existence of the reapers.Someone With Mass wrote...
He seems awfully quick to turn his potential allies into enemies and then just shrug at it, so...no. I don't think he can.
If that race actually understands the magnitude of the threat the reapers pose, they'll work with Cerberus whether they like it or not. It's that simple.Besides, why would any race work with Cerberus when there are clearly better alternatives, like a real government that has more control and resources?
ThePwener wrote...
Why does everyone worry what TIM will do with the base? I myself have been hoping to kill him off since ME2 started. He isn't the owner of the base, I am. He's only keeping an eye on it for me. You people seriously think he's going to get the chance to use it?
In ME3, Cerberus goes rogue. At some point, we'll go after TIM. after he's dead, who do you think will have the run of the place? Shepard obviously. It's a bit of metagaming, but it still works.
Even if you kill TIM in the second mission of the game, months will have passed with him controlling the base.ThePwener wrote...
Why does everyone worry what TIM will do with the base? I myself have been hoping to kill him off since ME2 started. He isn't the owner of the base, I am. He's only keeping an eye on it for me. You people seriously think he's going to get the chance to use it?
In ME3, Cerberus goes rogue. At some point, we'll go after TIM. after he's dead, who do you think will have the run of the place? Shepard obviously. It's a bit of metagaming, but it still works.
I was saying that if hypothetically they believed what you say about the Reapers, they would share the tech. After all it will take decades for the Reapers to take everyone out.Inverness Moon wrote...
Are you serious? The only reason we got the Thanix Canon was because of Garrus.
They don't believe in the reapers, they're not going to be sharing anything until it is possibly too late.
iakus wrote...
But as you said, it's metagaming.
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