[quote]Saphra Deden wrote...
Maybe. keep in mind this happens if they lost the Destiny Ascension which represented something like half of the asari military's firepower all by itself. They are not a militant people either.[/quote]
I don't recall reading this in the codex or seeing it in-game. Was it in one of the books?
[quote]So which is more likely? That they're building up a huge force on their own or that they just decided to pull out all together and cede their responsibility to the turians? [/quote]
As much as the asari are about singining and holding hands, I think it works best for humanity if we assume a military build-up and use the potential of that threat to build up our fleets. Even if the asari don't actually have the industrial capacity, as Shepard says to Udina at the end of ME1, "we'll need to use our fleets".
[quote]Which is exactly what is happening. If you hang around the Citadel after the Collector Ship but before the IFF mission you can hear a report about the 5th Fleet stopping by
Patavig. The response is volus independence movements staging protests.[/quote]
I missed that. That's a good development for humanity.
[quote]An excellent development for humanity and a forboding one for the turians.[/quote]
Indeed. And we if we extend a branch to the volus, crop them up and help them expand economically at the expense of the former Council races, we can use that to make overtures to the salarians to show them the benefit to a human galaxy.
[quote]No, it was not. The Normandy SR1 is an Alliance ship. Once Shepard becomes a Spectre and starts commanding it the SR1 is said to be "on loan" to the Council. It should be obvious who owns the ship judging by the crew which is all Alliance and Admiral Mikhailovic's statement that had it not been for Shepard being made a Spectre he and the SR1 would have been assigned to Mikhailovic's squadron/fleet/whatever. [/quote]
When I say it was a Council ship, I don't mean the SR1 was part of the Citadal fleet. I mean the Citadel took part in its development, and it doesn't not make sense for them (especially the turians) to knowingly give humanity a technical advantage.
[quote]It isn't even evident that the blue prints were given to the Council, or "surrendered". The Council sponsored working with the turians to improve relations and towards that end they paid for some of the construction/development. It isn't apparent how much of the bill they covered but judging by Mikhailovic's complaints about how many ships they could have had in place of the Normandy, and the fact that the Normandy is an Alliance ship and not a Council one, we can safely assume the Alliance covered most of the costs.[/quote]
We don't know how much the Normandy cost; the total may have been twice as high.
[quote]The truth is that behind the scenes it was The Illusive Man/Cerberus who pushed the Alliance to reach out to the turians in the first place. The goal being of-course to see how turians build ships. However this further reinforces the idea that the real guts of the ship are human innovations and not turian ones. [/quote]
Now that we're on this, I think the real role behind the SR1 was to asssess turian engineering. Think about it: we can develop technology faster than we can. If we get access to most of their blueprients, ship designs, etc. in return for the turians having access to ours, we are ahead of the game. In 10 years, we can retrofit our fleet and have newer designs of cruisers and fighters. The turians won't, becuae they haven't in 1000 years.
To get back to what I said originally, I'm not saying the SR1 and steal technology isn't an advantage; I'm saying that it can't form the basis, because it looks like we traded away an early technological edge for intel on a group of species that simply have stagnated technologically.
[quote]Remember: the turians helping build it was little more than PR and some light espionage. [/quote]
Kaidan was convinced Nihilus was on-board to oversee the investment of the Normandy.
[quote]The Battle of the Citadel changed everything and even if that battle had never taken place humanity was still growing. The attack on the Citadel just let us skip forward in power and influence a few years. It would have happened anyway. Humanity was already important enough to have an embassy and a Spectre and they hadn't even really begun to tap all the resources available to them in the Traverse. [/quote]
The Battle of the Citadel decimated the Citadel races militarily and gave us a chance to show our power - we won a political victory over them without ever having to fight a war. Just like defeating the turians ships in the First Contact war gave them their first loss since the krogan rebellions, the Battle of the Citadel showed the galaxy the Council alone can't protect them, but humanity can.
[quote]The Council isn't the source of power; the Citadel is. It is the most important trading hub in the galaxy and is an impenetrable fortress. That's what gives the Council a lot of its power. Humanity having the Council in its pocket means it also has the Citadel. With it we can hamper trade for the other races if they give us trouble. Of-course that is a double edged sword in many ways, but our possession of the station greatly enhances humanity's power and influence beyond what it would normally be. [/quote]
I didn't think of it that way. That's a very good point.
[quote]The Citadel is the literal hub of the mass relay network and the mass relays are what allows galactic commerce in the first place. [/quote]
Like I said: good point. I didn't consider the strategic value to us.
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