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[silentassassin264]

The only point in destroying the base is to troll the Mr. Illusive. My main Sole Surivivor did it because of Akuze but that is about it. The place has a bunch of technology and things the reapers never intended on being seen by other eyes. The base didn't even have an external (or internal for that matter) defense systems because no enemy was supposed to get through the Omega-4 relay.

[BiasedParagon]

I destroyed it to both troll the Illusive Man and while it probably didn't effect anything, stop more people from being turned into mindless zombies.

[alperez]

Darth Death wrote...

I think way too many people here are over thinking this. The answer is quite simple than most would believe... And perhaps that's the problem.

Thats the thing though, most Cerberus fans refuse to accept any simple answer as being the truth so instead they over complicate plot points, create complex scenarios to justify their plot points and refuse to accept any sceanrio that shows Cerberus as nothing less than incredibly a brilliant machievillian misunderstood organisation that is/has and always will be the reason why the reapers will be defeated.

The fact that the game is not about Cerberus or that TIM is an antagonist and not the protagonist means nothing to Cerberus fans who instead rely on these over complicated scenarios to try to justify that everyone else who plays the game is wrong and Cerberus are actually the hero's and this Shepard person should really know better and just bow down and get on board with the fact that if it wasn't for Cerberus doing A,B,C or D then Shepard and humanity would have already lost.

[Magicman10893]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Let it never be said I can't be offended on the behalf of Paragons everywhere. If there's one choice which seems to be a non-choice for the Paragons, a significant choice which makes no apparent difference... the Collector Base may well be that choice. Given all the post-ME2 side material, it's increasingly hard to justify destroying the base as anything but a petty 'stick it to TIM' gesture... and believe it or not, I want people to have other reasons avaiable for taking actions.



Was it to destroy the corrupt knowledge and secrets, to 'preserve the soul of our species'? 

Even the Shadow Broker intended to cross the relay and learn as much as possible... and the Reapers arrival will mean Reaper tech for everyone (if we survive). Paragon Shepard wasn't keeping the technology from people, just delaying it.



Was it to deny Cerberus any Reaper technology? 

Regardless of the decision, enough Reaper and Collector technology exists for Cerberus to craft its own Reaper-technology experiment: the effects of Retribution, and the Grayson experiments.



Was it to stop Cerberus from hurting other species with and for the technology inside? 

The upcoming comic Invasion features Cerberus unleashing a new creation from beyond the Omega 4 relay into the streets of Omega, a creation that may wipe out Aria herself.



Was it to stop Cerberus from indoctrinating itself?

Well, Mass Effect 3's E3 demos rather addressed how well that worked.



Was it because blown up Reaper technology is safe Reaper technology?

Well, given all of the above...



I'm annoyed, and I didn't even make this choice. You may be annoyed as well. And together, we'll be pair annoyed.

If the best justifications for destroying the Collector Base were to protect people from what was inside, and destroying it does not do that... was there still good reason to do so?

It was mainly to keep Cerberus from getting their hands on the technology. The whole game The Illusive Man uses Shepard to do his bidding. I feel that the only reason Cerberus rebuilt Shepard was so he could destroy the Collectors so he could take their technology to gain an upper hand on the universe. Given the fact that Cerberus is working with/for the Reapers in ME3, it seems like it wasn't a bad guess. Sure, when Cerberus is working for the Reapers they'll get the technology anyway, but with the base destroyed they have less time to prepare it.

[Massadonious1]

Inverness Moon wrote...

Massadonious1 wrote...

I wish people would stop using the Thanix cannon as an example.

Modifying reaper tech =/= Standing inside a gigantic reaper/next to a gigantic reaper artifact.

If you don't know how indoctrination works, just say so.

Size obviously has nothing to do with indoctrination capability from what we've seen, so I don't know what point you're trying to make.

I probably put a little too much emphasis on the size, but it's stupid to believe that it doesn't play SOME part. If the parts they were using were on the scale of an Object Rho, then I'm pretty sure we would of heard of something.

However, my ultimate point was that Saren/Benezia, the Cerberus science team, and Dr. Kenson and her team practically lived inside/next an actual Reaper/next to Reaper tech, something that the people who were putting the cannon together clearly didn't do, assuming they still let workers go home and sleep in the future.

Regardless, it's a bad example and always will be.

[superfastguy]

why? because making a martin sheen villain angry makes me happy!

[Kileyan]

Collector base was another Bioware non-choice. I'd have loved to keep the base and give it to someone other than Cerberus to carefully explore and research. But that was basically the gist of the entire game of ME2. We are set up to have to work for a group that in ME1 was pretty much evil incarnate, setting up our own military and civilians to die for propaganda, insane experiments and essentially torture.

Then in ME2 we are made to work for them and act like best buddies, with the most extreme anti-Cerberus choices, being a snarky attitude during debriefing.

ME2 should have been about taking on Cerberus and ending them as it plot, rather than the very lackluster Terminator reaper human baby.

ME3 should have been about fighting Reapers and their agents, not fugging Cerberus AGAIN.

[Longsword-83]

I don't trust Cerberus.
I don't trust Reaper Tech, despite there's a very good chance it may have been instrumental in the Lazarus Project (No, I do not have a source, it's just a gut feeling).
Cerberus + Reaper Tech = Cannot end well for anyone.

I destroyed it for the good of the Galaxy because whatever good came from that abomination, if any, would not be worth the price. I'm a Paragon through and through, but even my Renegade Shep blew the base sky-high.

I don't NEED justification other than that.

/soapbox

[Drake_Hound]

Ok I don´t understand why people still want to argue about this.

There are 3 obvious reason to destroy the base .

1 Reaper technology can´t be controlled , it only leads to indoctrinated .
classical Trojan Horse tactic , protheans there should say enough .

2 Means never ever justify the end , that was the motto troughout the ME2 serie .
You get gruelsome choices , you can continue down that path all the way .. thus in preserving the base.
But it doesn´t it is justified after all , same way you kill Samara .. you knew what you did and it comes back to haunt you. It is a facility of death and holocaust.

3 So since you are selfishe ruthless bastard who don´t care about the crew , aren´t you the vengefull type that would blow up the base , cause they killed your crew  your property ?
Or since you are so hellbent on having power , would you let somebody else other then yourself take the base ?

Either way technology or not , renegade or not , you would have blown up the base for one of those 3 reasons.
And it is not that it couldn´t have worked and you had a super base of technology to operate from .
With a fortified zone , but sadly it is reaper technology and they must have had a backdoor .

[GodWood]

Drake_Hound wrote...
Ok I don´t understand why people still want to argue about this.

There are 3 obvious reason to destroy the base .

1 Reaper technology can´t be controlled , it only leads to indoctrinated .
classical Trojan Horse tactic , protheans there should say enough .

2 Means never ever justify the end , that was the motto troughout the ME2 serie .
You get gruelsome choices , you can continue down that path all the way .. thus in preserving the base.
But it doesn´t it is justified after all , same way you kill Samara .. you knew what you did and it comes back to haunt you. It is a facility of death and holocaust.

3 So since you are selfishe ruthless bastard who don´t care about the crew , aren´t you the vengefull type that would blow up the base , cause they killed your crew  your property ?
Or since you are so hellbent on having power , would you let somebody else other then yourself take the base ?

Either way technology or not , renegade or not , you would have blown up the base for one of those 3 reasons.
And it is not that it couldn´t have worked and you had a super base of technology to operate from .
With a fortified zone , but sadly it is reaper technology and they must have had a backdoor .

[Drake_Hound]

LoL point is that you can´t refute so slam your own head , why thank you XD

[Drake_Hound]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Drake_Hound wrote...

LoL point is that you can´t refute so slam your own head , why thank you XD

Your statements have been refuted countless times. Godwood's just out of energy.

I am too.

Cause in the end how extremist you think , you are wrong .....
Humanity first sounds terrific , sounds logical , sounds charming ....
But who makes up humanity , a small group or all of humanity with there love for diversity .

So done all said in short sentences without having to involve politcal thinking .

[Massadonious1]

I think this is more appropriate.

Modifié par Massadonious1, 21 juillet 2011 - 09:09 .

[FERMi27]

N1 offtoping, kids. Somebody is wrong on teh internets and u cant deal with it?

Modifié par FERMi27, 21 juillet 2011 - 09:12 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Drake_Hound wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Drake_Hound wrote...

LoL point is that you can´t refute so slam your own head , why thank you XD

Your statements have been refuted countless times. Godwood's just out of energy.

I am too.

Cause in the end how extremist you think , you are wrong .....
Humanity first sounds terrific , sounds logical , sounds charming ....
But who makes up humanity , a small group or all of humanity with there love for diversity .

So done all said in short sentences without having to involve politcal thinking .

Yes you ´re right , the Reapers will indoctrinated the Cerberus .
They are too ruthless , nobodys can control reaper technolody .
Too demonstrate , just take look at other Cerberys Expermentations ....

Sapha and Godwood, they are the fools .
Humanity is not good , TIM  lying , can ´ t refute ....
So we not be Cerberus today , but whi loves aliens .
With finishing , small haiku , dedicate to Sebo :

We not kill today ,
Tell Gavorn we know his tricks ,
Talk too much , we leave !

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 21 juillet 2011 - 09:15 .

[Drake_Hound]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Drake_Hound wrote...

Cause in the end how extremist you think , you are wrong .....
Humanity first sounds terrific , sounds logical , sounds charming ....
But who makes up humanity , a small group or all of humanity with there love for diversity .

So done all said in short sentences without having to involve politcal thinking .

Or spelling.

Must be some kind of political statement.

WoW the spelling card , so soon LMAO 
man this is boring ...

Now me a river , cause honestly , I will now play the extreme card
YOU WERE WRONG CERBERUS BLEW IT ..
:happy::happy: you supported the losing side , how does that make you feel !!!

[Massadonious1]

Stay classy BSN.

[Someone With Mass]

Massadonious1 wrote...

Stay classy BSN.

The words "classy" and "BSN" or "BioWare Social Network" should never be in the same sentence.

[Drake_Hound]

That is not true normally , no matter how hot the debate gotten , we all love this game , it is not about right or wrong , It is about different points of view , since we all come from differents walks of life.

Just I guess some people forgotten it some where along the line , that in the end we are all on the same team .. ME team and Bioware .
But sometimes reasoning is not good enough , so play there game .

[Seboist]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Drake_Hound wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Drake_Hound wrote...

LoL point is that you can´t refute so slam your own head , why thank you XD

Your statements have been refuted countless times. Godwood's just out of energy.

I am too.

Cause in the end how extremist you think , you are wrong .....
Humanity first sounds terrific , sounds logical , sounds charming ....
But who makes up humanity , a small group or all of humanity with there love for diversity .

So done all said in short sentences without having to involve politcal thinking .

Yes you ´re right , the Reapers will indoctrinated the Cerberus .
They are too ruthless , nobodys can control reaper technolody .
Too demonstrate , just take look at other Cerberys Expermentations ....

Sapha and Godwood, they are the fools .
Humanity is not good , TIM  lying , can ´ t refute ....
So we not be Cerberus today , but whi loves aliens .
With finishing , small haiku , dedicate to Sebo :

We not kill today ,
Tell Gavorn we know his tricks ,
Talk too much , we leave !

Shisk and co are going to sign up with Cerberus and smoke Gavorn's ass with a replicated Collector particle beam.

[Inverness Moon]

I agree.

Refuting the same points over and over again is quite exhausting. Someone should just create a master document of rebuttals for all arguments against keeping the collector base that we can just quote.