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[Mr. Gogeta34]

Hellbound555 wrote...

Pepper4 wrote...

We must build our own future.

thats another thing. the reapers left the relays so the mass effect galaxy's tech would evolve in a specific way that they can counter. using the reaper tech on the collector base would only further their plan to have us rely on their tech.

The reason for the relays is to have the civilization never understand the technology.. just to use it... so that they're outclassed by the Reapers when they arrive.

Using the actual Reaper's arsenal and adapting that technology is not the same.

[Inverness Moon]

Someone With Mass wrote...

If the human-Reaper can't withstand small arms fire, I really doubt anything of use will be left of it if it explodes.

Luckily the collector base is an actual gigantic base and not just scaffolding around the human-reaper.

I also wouldn't call my CAIN small-arms fire. 

Hellbound555 wrote...

^And when the reapers r gone, we'll end up killing each other with it. Especially since cerberus is pro-human..and the citadel races would be beat up after the invasion...and humans have a tendency to kill things..

You're not doing a good job of making me take you seriously.

Humans have a tendency to kill things? And quarians have a tendency to try to exterminate synthetic races. The salarians have a tendency to create biological weapons to sterilize entire races. The turians have a tendency to launch invasions on colonies of species they just met because they broke rules they don't even know about. I could go on and on.

Anyhow, the point of that is that your point is silly.

Cerberus being pro-human really isn't proof of anything either in this case.

Someone With Mass wrote...

You know, you're making very good points to why people shouldn't give this technology to Cerberus.

Stopping the reapers is a bit (i.e. a lot) more important than preventing Cerberus from getting their hands on that technology because you don't like their methods.

[Zulu_DFA]

Hellbound555 wrote...

ok guys lets try looking at it this way.

lets pretend the collector base was instead a nuclear bomb.

would you give a nuclear bomb to a terrorist group?

ok guys lets try looking at it this way.


each terrorist is someone else's freedom fighter.

[marshalleck]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

Pepper4 wrote...

We must build our own future.

thats another thing. the reapers left the relays so the mass effect galaxy's tech would evolve in a specific way that they can counter. using the reaper tech on the collector base would only further their plan to have us rely on their tech.

The reason for the relays is to have the civilization never understand the technology.. just to use it... so that they're outclassed by the Reapers when they arrive.

Using the actual Reaper's arsenal and adapting that technology is not the same.

Unless Bioware are trying to make the Reapers pull off an incredibly cheap Xanatos gambit.

[Homebound]

Either way, I blew up the collector base and Im stickin with that in my personal trilogy playthrough.

Cerberus doesnt know what they are doing.

[Inverness Moon]

Someone With Mass wrote...

The difference is that Sovereign was a full-grown Reaper. That guy was far from completion.

That difference doesn't really help your argument. Because our chances against the reapers are so ****ty that something is better than nothing.

Hellbound555 wrote...

Cerberus doesnt know what they are doing.

Except when they brought you back to life, built you a new ship, built an anti-reaper AI from reaper technology, funded your mission, provided dossiers on the best that you could take with you to succeed, right?

Modifié par Inverness Moon, 15 juillet 2011 - 09:34 .

[Dave of Canada]

Hellbound555 wrote...

^And when the reapers r gone, we'll end up killing each other with it. Especially since cerberus is pro-human..and the citadel races would be beat up after the invasion...and humans have a tendency to kill things..

Right. And even if you'd destroy the Collector Base, you'd be killing each other with it because Reaper corpses aren't suddenly going to disappear. People will master Reaper tech and use it against each other regardless of the Collector Base's status, the only difference is that we're getting the tech much earlier (when we're not being invaded by a bajillion Reapers) and that humanity has the advantage of research it first before anybody else.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 15 juillet 2011 - 09:35 .

[Homebound]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

ok guys lets try looking at it this way.

lets pretend the collector base was instead a nuclear bomb.

would you give a nuclear bomb to a terrorist group?

ok guys lets try looking at it this way.


each terrorist is someone else's freedom fighter.

the technology on the collector base would sway weapons technology to the favour of whoever got it first. which would be cerberus. a group dedicated on human dominance. I dont agree with a humans-only doctrine. I blew up the base.

[Homebound]

Inverness Moon wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

The difference is that Sovereign was a full-grown Reaper. That guy was far from completion.

That difference doesn't really help your argument. Because our chances against the reapers are so ****ty that something is better than nothing.

Hellbound555 wrote...

Cerberus doesnt know what they are doing.

Except when they brought you back to life, built you a new ship, built an anti-reaper AI from reaper technology, funded your mission, provided dossiers on the best that you could take with you to succeed, right?

well there was that time with the rachni, project overlord, subject zero...

[Dave of Canada]

Hellbound555 wrote...

well there was that time with the rachni

Which proved to Cerberus that the Rachni aren't simply animals and that they are intelligent and cannot be controlled as shock troopers. It served no purpose in the end, though it did inform Cerberus about the intelligence of the Rachni. Something nobody else in the galaxy except for non-humans and the SI staff who've cloned those very same Rachni experienced.

project overlord

Succeeded in it's goal of controlling the Geth without allowing them to re-hack themselves and protects humanity from the Geth, possible use as shock troopers in the Reaper war if Shepard doesn't send David away.

subject zero...

Created the strongest human biotic and the research from the Subject Zero project resulted in less brutal experiments on future subjects as they determined what was safe and what wasn't. In addition to having been successful, the project's end result also assisted in the destruction of the Collector Base.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 18 juillet 2011 - 08:30 .

[Augustei]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
*snip*

The Answer is Simple, Metagaming is bad. =P

[Someone With Mass]

Inverness Moon wrote...
Except when they brought you back to life, built you a new ship, built an anti-reaper AI from reaper technology, funded your mission, provided dossiers on the best that you could take with you to succeed, right?

And then there are the moments when they've lost complete control over their cells, projects and their subjects, resulting in many people's deaths and potential dangers roaming the galaxy. 

Why should I give them the technology, again?

[Homebound]

@dave of canada
Their projects spiraled out of control.

Modifié par Hellbound555, 15 juillet 2011 - 09:41 .

[Inverness Moon]

Hellbound555 wrote...

the technology on the collector base would sway weapons technology to the favour of whoever got it first. which would be cerberus. a group dedicated on human dominance. I dont agree with a humans-only doctrine. I blew up the base.

And that is why your decision was foolish. You're more worried about Cerberus than the reapers.

Hellbound555 wrote...

well there was that time with the rachni, project overlord, subject zero...

Except Subject Zero proves that very powerful biotic augmentation is possible. Project Overlord also proved that the goal as possible.

[Homebound]

Inverness Moon wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

the technology on the collector base would sway weapons technology to the favour of whoever got it first. which would be cerberus. a group dedicated on human dominance. I dont agree with a humans-only doctrine. I blew up the base.

And that is why your decision was foolish. You're more worried about Cerberus than the reapers.

Hellbound555 wrote...

well there was that time with the rachni, project overlord, subject zero...

Except Subject Zero proves that very powerful biotic augmentation is possible. Project Overlord also proved that the goal as possible.

Im more worried about what would happen after the reapers. whats the point if we just end up pointing our shiny new weapons at each other?

[Inverness Moon]

Someone With Mass wrote...

And then there are the moments when they've lost complete control over their cells, projects and their subjects, resulting in many people's deaths and potential dangers roaming the galaxy. 

Why should I give them the technology, again?

Because you have a fleet of reapers heading towards the galaxy that have a proven track record of genocide going back tens of millions of years. And then there is the fact that the only known way to defeat even one is to throw a fleet at it.

Now, do you have more issues with the reapers or Cerberus?

[Someone With Mass]

Dave of Canada wrote...
Succeeded in it's goal of controlling the Geth without allowing them to re-hack themselves and protects humanity from the Geth, possible use as shock troopers in the Reaper war if Shepard doesn't send David away.

It's funny, because Shepard accomplished more than that on Legion's recruitment mission.


Not to mention that Overlord was so unbelievably stupid, since it's a giant lore-rape when it comes to geth's way of communication. They. Don't. Have. A. Verbal. Language.

Legion says it's way too inefficient for them.

[Homebound]

Inverness Moon wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

And then there are the moments when they've lost complete control over their cells, projects and their subjects, resulting in many people's deaths and potential dangers roaming the galaxy. 

Why should I give them the technology, again?

Because you have a fleet of reapers heading towards the galaxy that have a proven track record of genocide going back tens of millions of years. And then there is the fact that the only known way to defeat even one is to throw a fleet at it.

Now, do you have more issues with the reapers or Cerberus?

I thought that too, but then thats putting a lot of faith in TiM. I dont trust TiM.

[Inverness Moon]

Hellbound555 wrote...
Im more worried about what would happen after the reapers. whats the point if we just end up pointing our shiny new weapons at each other? 

You're more worried about what would happen after the reapers? If you're serious then you're obviously either metagaming, or don't understand the magnitude of the reaper threat, and shouldn't be in this argument.

Someone With Mass wrote...

It's funny, because Shepard accomplished more than that on Legion's recruitment mission.

Except that is irrelevant because those were entirely unpredictable circumstances. The motivation for Overlord was entirely sound. had it not been for Shepard and Legion they would be right there with the reapers attacking Earth.

Not to mention that Overlord was so unbelievably stupid, since it's a giant lore-rape when it comes to geth's way of communication. They. Don't. Have. A. Verbal. Language.

I don't understand why you think verbal communication has to do with anything in Overlord.

[Dave of Canada]

Someone With Mass wrote...

It's funny, because Shepard accomplished more than that on Legion's recruitment mission.

Something Cerberus (and Shepard) doesn't know about the Geth before encountering Legion.

[Someone With Mass]

Inverness Moon wrote...
Because you have a fleet of reapers heading towards the galaxy that have a proven track record of genocide going back tens of millions of years. And then there is the fact that the only known way to defeat even one is to throw a fleet at it.

Now, do you have more issues with the reapers or Cerberus?

And why is giving the technology to someone that can benefit from it ten times more than Cerberus, like, say, the Alliance, is so harmeful, when the alternative is to give it to Dr. Illusive Claw? 

Yeah. Pass.

And as I've said. TIM has no control over his cells when it matters, so why should I give them weapons to do even more damage with?

[Homebound]

Inverness Moon wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...
Im more worried about what would happen after the reapers. whats the point if we just end up pointing our shiny new weapons at each other? 

You're more worried about what would happen after the reapers? If you're serious then you're obviously either metagaming, or don't understand the magnitude of the reaper threat, and shouldn't be in this argument.

Someone With Mass wrote...

It's funny, because Shepard accomplished more than that on Legion's recruitment mission.

Except that is irrelevant because those were entirely unpredictable circumstances. The motivation for Overlord was entirely sound. had it not been for Shepard and Legion they would be right there with the reapers attacking Earth.

Not to mention that Overlord was so unbelievably stupid, since it's a giant lore-rape when it comes to geth's way of communication. They. Don't. Have. A. Verbal. Language.

I don't understand why you think verbal communication has to do with anything in Overlord.

Im just trying to look at the bigger picture. Reapers are a problem, yes. But so is mutually assured destruction.

[Inverness Moon]

Hellbound555 wrote...

I thought that too, but then thats putting a lot of faith in TiM. I dont trust TiM.

I trust that TIM intends to fight the reapers, that is about it.

But even in your case, you don't have a lot of options available. You have no idea how many reapers there are or when they'll arrive (as far as Shepard is concerned at the end of ME2 of course). They could arrive in a week or in ten years. Do you think you can afford to play it safe until another opportunity presents itself? (Assuming one even exists).

I don't. Sometimes you just have to take risks. Giving the base to TIM is a necessary risk in my opinion because the reapers are just that bad.

[Someone With Mass]

Inverness Moon wrote...
I don't understand why you think verbal communication has to do with anything in Overlord.

Addendum. Being a mathematical genius does not automatically teach you a verbal language.

Like they tried to bang inside our heads with David Archer.

So, yeah. Excuse me if I ignore that totally pathetic project, as it's only trying to insult my intelligence.

[Sesshomaru47]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Explosions are fun.

This. Also it's paragon, why would an upitty goody two shoes paragon (me) want to use that base...I wouldn't.