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[goofyomnivore]

"We will find a way" that (s)he will...well find a way.

The non-quotations part is your opinion/irrelevent to Shepard's context.

Modifié par strive, 28 juillet 2011 - 08:28 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

CuseGirl wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

What we know is that the base has great potential to help. 

that statement alone is an assumption. All of the data we have on Collectors, the Reapers and Cerberus would lead us to more indoctrination. We have no evidence that keeping the base will yield positive results against the Reapers.

POTENTIAL. Key word.

It's not an assumption. Knowledge is power. Knowledge helps. There is knowledge in the base. This is not to be contested.

You cannot say Cerberus will get indoctrinated.
If they do, you send someone else in to grab the data/tech. Teh base exists, you  know where it is. It's not going anywhere.

And real mature with you declaring yourself the victor in unmoderated debate and using simleys to make it obvious.....

since when is using smileys immature?
Adn when the opposition confirms your poitn..I'd call that a victory. How else do you define it?

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

You what the difference between my assumption and yours are?
Mine are based on reason. Mine are highly probable and based on what we know/see from the game.
Yours are garbage based on nothing.

There is every reason to belive there will be technology in that massive base. You just listed a bunch of it, wihout even relising.

Even the reaper corpse alone is a catch! It's in far better shape than Sovereign even was, and there's no keeprs or looters..meaing you won't recover only a few fragments.

You do not seem to grasp how technology works. How even something as simple as a empty datapad of an advanced race can revolutionize your science.

So you see, I already know there is usefull technology on that base. You see it all around you.

Just because the game says it, doesn't make it reasonable. It completely contradicts the option of choice if you're just going to follow every single word that the game spits at you.

By the way, we've found more useful technology based of dead Reapers and Reaper artifacts. They are vastly better than Collector technology.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
You failed to prove there ARE other viable options AT ALL.
What we know is that the base has great potential to help. What else do we have agaisnt the reapers? A question I asked a million times before...what else?

There's no evidence that says that will help, either.

Especially when it's Collector tech, which we've triumphed over at every encounter with it with the tech we already have.

You triumphed over Sovereign. That doesn't mean it's tech is inferior to yours, now does it?

Also, the reaper corpse is in the base. And machienery used to build it.

We've been over this before.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

So alperez agrees,lotions argument is putting his fingers in his ears and screaming "lalalalala can't hear you!"

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

You what the difference between my assumption and yours are?
Mine are based on reason. Mine are highly probable and based on what we know/see from the game.
Yours are garbage based on nothing.

There is every reason to belive there will be technology in that massive base. You just listed a bunch of it, wihout even relising.

Even the reaper corpse alone is a catch! It's in far better shape than Sovereign even was, and there's no keeprs or looters..meaing you won't recover only a few fragments.

You do not seem to grasp how technology works. How even something as simple as a empty datapad of an advanced race can revolutionize your science.

So you see, I already know there is usefull technology on that base. You see it all around you.

Just because the game says it, doesn't make it reasonable. It completely contradicts the option of choice if you're just going to follow every single word that the game spits at you.

By the way, we've found more useful technology based of dead Reapers and Reaper artifacts. They are vastly better than Collector technology.

I'm not even going to dignify this with an answer.....

[CuseGirl]

strive wrote...

The weapons, shields/barriers. the MASS EFFECT FIELD AROUND BLACK HOLES? It is fact that technology is present there, but can we harness it who knows? I find that to be less of an assumption compared to assuming what TIM will do with that assumption.

EDI said the ship resides in a small space capable of holding a ship. Not special tech to push away black holes, they just found the right spot. Also, the entire galaxy has mass effect technology, there's nothing special there. Maybe the collector base had it on large scale but that's pretty much it.

All I kno is anytime Cerberus gets their hands on something special (outside of Miranda) they screw it up. That's a fact, not an assumption. And that's all I need when I make my decision on the Collector base. 

On top of that, I'm sure the base decision only effects the structure of ME-3, I doubt Bioware would let us seal Earth's fate before purchasing ME-3.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

strive wrote...

"We will find a way" that (s)he will...well find a way.

The non-quotations part is your opinion/irrelevent to Shepard's context.

You cut most of the sentence off so you could apply it out of context.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

So alperez agrees,lotions argument is putting his fingers in his ears and screaming "lalalalala can't hear you!"

the only one so far screaming that was you...

Repeating it for several posts in fact.

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

You triumphed over Sovereign. That doesn't mean it's tech is inferior to yours, now does it?

Also, the reaper corpse is in the base. And machienery used to build it.

We've been over this before.

Yeah. Reaper technology is way better than Collector technology. And if we can kill one Reaper and then start studying that instead of some giant blender, I think we can come up with something even better.

And the Reaper in the base is just a fetus. We can learn more by studying Sovereign, a full-grown Reaper.

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I'm not even going to dignify this with an answer.....

Good. I don't even want your "answers".

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

OT:lotion could you fix your signature I don't believe the lowest point in a business cycle fits.(trough)

[CuseGirl]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

POTENTIAL. Key word.

It's not an assumption. Knowledge is power. Knowledge helps. There is knowledge in the base. This is not to be contested.

You cannot say Cerberus will get indoctrinated.
If they do, you send someone else in to grab the data/tech. Teh base exists, you  know where it is. It's not going anywhere.

You basically ignored wut I said. How is "potential" the keyword when ur ASSUMING the existence of that potential. You're not even assuming the existence of a tangible item, like "I know we can extract that gun from the destroyed human reaper, even tho Shepard brought it down with a Cain eyeshot".

Modifié par CuseGirl, 28 juillet 2011 - 08:37 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

You triumphed over Sovereign. That doesn't mean it's tech is inferior to yours, now does it?

Also, the reaper corpse is in the base. And machienery used to build it.

We've been over this before.

Yeah. Reaper technology is way better than Collector technology. And if we can kill one Reaper and then start studying that instead of some giant blender, I think we can come up with something even better.

And the Reaper in the base is just a fetus. We can learn more by studying Sovereign, a full-grown Reaper.

So you'll start studying the reapers AFTER they arrive? Because you'd have to kill one to study it.

If only we already had a mostly in-tact reaper corpse...like in the base. Oh..and a brand new one at that!

And one that wasn't blown to pieces by capital-grade mass drivers and who's part are mostly gone?

[Someone With Mass]

Yeah, putting your base within range of a black hole is pretty stupid, because not only would your own ships have a hard time getting there, if not outright impossible, but if your shields fails even for half a second, your base will be ripped apart.

[Lotion Soronarr]

CuseGirl wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

POTENTIAL. Key word.

It's not an assumption. Knowledge is power. Knowledge helps. There is knowledge in the base. This is not to be contested.

You cannot say Cerberus will get indoctrinated.
If they do, you send someone else in to grab the data/tech. Teh base exists, you  know where it is. It's not going anywhere.

You basically ignored wut I said. How is "potential" the keyword when ur ASSUMING the existence of that potential. You're not even assuming the existence of a tangible item, like "I know we can extract that gun from the destroyed human reaper, even tho Shepard brought it down with a Cain eyeshot".

I'm not assuming existence of that potential. It's there. I already told you why. Behold the red text.

The entire base is technology. Technology in modern society is everywhere. You can see technology everywhere in that base.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

You triumphed over Sovereign. That doesn't mean it's tech is inferior to yours, now does it?

Also, the reaper corpse is in the base. And machienery used to build it.

We've been over this before.

Yeah. Reaper technology is way better than Collector technology. And if we can kill one Reaper and then start studying that instead of some giant blender, I think we can come up with something even better.

And the Reaper in the base is just a fetus. We can learn more by studying Sovereign, a full-grown Reaper.

So you'll start studying the reapers AFTER they arrive? Because you'd have to kill one to study it.

If only we already had a mostly in-tact reaper corpse...like in the base. Oh..and a brand new one at that!

And one that wasn't blown to pieces by capital-grade mass drivers and who's part are mostly gone?

That reaper is of a completely different design(and assuming the collecters didn't build the reapers,yeah i know protheans blah blah blah.)origin how can you say for certain that its weapon systems,armor,capability are anywhere approaching those of the cuttlefish reapers,it isn't uncommon to make the new model of a car less powerful to save on costs.(acknowledging this is speculation like the rest of this topic)

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

So you'll start studying the reapers AFTER they arrive? Because you'd have to kill one to study it.

If only we already had a mostly in-tact reaper corpse...like in the base. Oh..and a brand new one at that!

And one that wasn't blown to pieces by capital-grade mass drivers and who's part are mostly gone?

What part of INCOMPLETE are you unable to comprehend? 

It didn't even have a shell yet. Hell, Shepard could defeat it on foot with small arms fire.

[CuseGirl]

Lotion--

look, I usually blow up the base, I kept it in one of my playthrus. But the one thing I'm sure of is Shep will have a way to "win" whether he kept it or not. You contest that the only way to win is to keep the base and I totally disagree. Find, keep the base, its cool. The risk of indoctrination or even the base being taken BACK by the Reapers is no big deal.

[luzburg]

cerberus simply finds what they need, even in the debris after an explotion.
bioware isnt stupid enough to have a cheap awnser for this we only have to wait and se

im only conserned what i read on the steam forums that the cuting edge tecnolegy used to revive shepart is possible reaper tecnolegy from sovergin, if so thats horrible news    and its linked to what jenifer hale sayd in the femshep reveal "shepard has a new twist to her"....   

Modifié par luzburg, 28 juillet 2011 - 08:49 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

So you'll start studying the reapers AFTER they arrive? Because you'd have to kill one to study it.

If only we already had a mostly in-tact reaper corpse...like in the base. Oh..and a brand new one at that!

And one that wasn't blown to pieces by capital-grade mass drivers and who's part are mostly gone?

That reaper is of a completely different design(and assuming the collecters didn't build the reapers,yeah i know protheans blah blah blah.)origin how can you say for certain that its weapon systems,armor,capability are anywhere approaching those of the cuttlefish reapers,it isn't uncommon to make the new model of a car less powerful to save on costs.(acknowledging this is speculation like the rest of this topic)

Isn't every reaper a different model? Or at least supposed to be, if each is an entire race and made in their image?

How do I know it's armor and weaponry aren't supposed to be even better? I can argue that its' a new reaper, and not a million years old like some other reapers, so it probably incorporates the newest reaper sutff. I'd kinda doubt the repars would skimp on themselves

But no, I cannot say how the human-reaper comapres to other reapers. We know reapers are of different sizes nadprobably have different purposes to boot. What we do know is that its' a reaper and has reaper tech in it.

Also, the reaper isn't complete. But it was supposed to be completed in that base. So whatever was supposed to be in it at the end, should be in the base.

Either way you look at it, knowledge.

[CuseGirl]

luzburg wrote...

cerberus simply finds what they need, even in the debris after an explotion.
bioware isnt stupid enough to have a cheap awnser for this we only have to wait and se

im only conserned what i read on the steam forums that the cuting edge tecnolegy used to revive shepart is possible reaper tecnolegy from sovergin, if so thats horrible news    and its linked to what jenifer hale sayd in the femshep reveal "shepard has a new twist to her"....   

if the Reapers are so dangerous, why does everyone have Reaper tech sewn into them or in their guns or sprinkled on thier lunch? wut gives?

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

But if all that knowledge is irrelevant,it makes the base an unworthy endeavor.

[Someone With Mass]

Yeah, Cerberus can salvage what they can from the remains, and if they don't like it, that's too bad.