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[Rinji the Bearded]

Luigitornado wrote...

Balance story with romancable options. This isn't a dating simulator. 

Making the characters bisexual wouldn't make the game any less of a "dating simulator" than it already is.

The romances have always been a small part of the story, so I'm not sure what you're getting paranoid about.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 17 juillet 2011 - 03:18 .

[dujh]

THERE IS A S/S THREAD FOR A REASON
http://social.biowar...5/index/7625505
no swears HAPPY RinjiRenee?

Modifié par dujh, 17 juillet 2011 - 03:21 .

[Cyberstrike nTo]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

I will state this again. Jack is the only female LI that would be the logical choice to make bisexual, her history screams that she is so it wouldn't be a stretch at all for her to be in ME3.

Jack speaks about one experience with a woman, that she didn't seem too crazy about.  That does not mean that she enjoys the company of women on a regular basis. 

She also says something along the lines of "I don't have a boyfriend... or a girlfriend." Which is another hint that she can swing to both sides rather easily. Sure she didn't like the company of that one woman but to be fair she never seemed to like the company of anyone.

She also says to the female Shepard that she is that "she is not a girl's club kind of person" (or something to that effect) after her loyalty mission.
I wouldn't say no to Miranda to being bisexual but IMHO Tali would be the most logical choice for a bisexual character, since she flirts with the female Shepard.  

[Rinji the Bearded]

dujh wrote...

THERE IS A S/S THREAD FOR A REASON
http://social.biowar...5/index/7625505

HAPPY RinjiRenee?

I'm always happy.   I love to see that you're so passionate about this.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 17 juillet 2011 - 03:21 .

[bleetman]

To be fair, that s/s thread specifically outlines that it's not for chat about whether or not they should be added in the first place. I've no idea why people keep being re-directed towards it.

[wolf99000]

I dont get why there is such push back on this I mean can anyone who is against this tell me how it effects your games where you have a male shep with Miranda its does not effect that so the whole argument about it changing her character for no reason is mute you will only notice it if you play it that way simple fact is on one will be forcing you to play the game as a fem shep with same sex romance

Modifié par wolf99000, 17 juillet 2011 - 03:28 .

[Luigitornado]

jlb524 wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...

It's not restricting for the sake of catering to the majroity. It is resctricting to entice more play throughs. I'm completley fine with having a few bisexual characters, but it is competley ridiculous to make everyone bisexual.

I will tell you something now...I will only find myself compelled to do more playthroughs if I have more s/s options. I will not feel compelled to replay the game to romance my fave female LI with a dude...I will pass...the only way I will replay is if said female LI is available for FemShep...now what?

Balance story with romancable options. This isn't a dating simulator.

Have you ever played an actual dating simulator?

Also, the story isn't balanced with the romances...the romances have no effect on it. It's not like...if you have too many bisexuals on the team the Reapers will win or something.

Yes romance is an option, but to say it's not part of the story, or part of the role playing narrative, is ignornant. I see what your getting at, but I still disagree.

I would rather have a stirctly gay or lesbian character and another bisexual character than make everyone bisexual.

The fact that you are content with the possiblity of having a team of bisexuals tells me that your rather don't care for the quality of story because you are asking for generally the same expierence no matter what play through you choose.

While we are at it, we might as well get rid of paragon and renegade. Why should one player be limited on a dialogue option just because they were playing one way opposed to the other?

[Luigitornado]

wolf99000 wrote...

I dont get why there is such push back on this I mean can anyone who is against this tell me how it effects your games where you have a male shep with Miranda its does not effect that so the whole argument about it changing her character for no reason is mute simple fact is on one will be forcing you to play the game as a fem shep with same sex romance

Consumer mentality of devaluing the expierence/game.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Luigitornado wrote..

Yes romance is an option, but to say it's not part of the story, or part of the role playing narrative, is ignornant. I see what your getting at, but I still disagree.

I would rather have a stirctly gay or lesbian character and another bisexual character than make everyone bisexual.

The fact that you are content with the possiblity of having a team of bisexuals tells me that your rather don't care for the quality of story because you are asking for generally the same expierence no matter what play through you choose.

While we are at it, we might as well get rid of paragon and renegade. Why should one player be limited on a dialogue option just because they were playing one way opposed to the other?

I'm still not sure if making certain LIs bisexual will ruin your immersion as much as you think.

Will that "Hey Kaidan/Garrus you're looking mighty fine today" dialogue option be too tempting for you to pick?

[dujh]

wolf99000 wrote...

I dont get why there is such push back on this I mean can anyone who is against this tell me how it effects your games where you have a male shep with Miranda its does not effect that so the whole argument about it changing her character for no reason is mute you will only notice it if you play it that way simple fact is on one will be forcing you to play the game as a fem shep with same sex romance

i am all for s/s romances in the game (i wont play it that way) i just dont want to see 100 threads about it all on the front page.

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

Luigitornado wrote...

It's not restricting for the sake of catering to the majroity. It is resctricting to entice more play throughs. I'm completley fine with having a few bisexual characters, but it is competley ridiculous to make everyone bisexual.

Whoa, whoa, whoa! How will restricting romances entice more playtroughs? In fact, loosening the restriction gives more content for all players to experience, which is a big plus. Let's say you romance Miranda as M!Shep, and then on your next playtrough decide to do it as F!Shep just because you're curious how will that turn out. There. Multiply that by other romances and you have twice as many playtroughs for those who truly like to experience every nook and cranny of a game.

Just putting that out there.

[wolf99000]

Luigitornado wrote...

wolf99000 wrote...

I dont get why there is such push back on this I mean can anyone who is against this tell me how it effects your games where you have a male shep with Miranda its does not effect that so the whole argument about it changing her character for no reason is mute simple fact is on one will be forcing you to play the game as a fem shep with same sex romance

Consumer mentality of devaluing the expierence/game.

how does it devalue the game expierence it adds to it if anything again no one is being forced to play the game with a shep and Miranda romance plus lets not forget as far as I know there is no set cannon in mass effect games so really Mirandas character is what bioware says it is not what we think it is

[jlb524]

Luigitornado wrote...
Yes romance is an option, but to say it's not part of the story, or part of the role playing narrative, is ignornant. I see what your getting at, but I still disagree.

How so?

Luigitornado wrote...
The fact that you are content with the possiblity of having a team of bisexuals tells me that your rather don't care for the quality of story because you are asking for generally the same expierence no matter what play through you choose.

uh huh. How is that different from when I play two different FemSheps and have the same hetero options available (as in ME2)?  Do I get the 'same experience' if I would romance Jacob in one pt and then romance Thane in another?

Luigitornado wrote...
While we are at it, we might as well get rid of paragon and renegade. Why should one player be limited on a dialogue option just because they were playing one way opposed to the other?

What?  That's taking away RP options.  I want to add more.  That analogy isn't very good.

[Luigitornado]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...

Balance story with romancable options. This isn't a dating simulator. 

Making the characters bisexual wouldn't make the game any less of a "dating simulator" than it already is.

The romances have always been a small part of the story, so I'm not sure what you're getting paranoid about.

It's not being paranoid. I don't know why other users always assume someone is against s/s relationships by implying they are homophobic.

I enjoy restrictions because it makes characters simply more interesting, and the overall expierence more enjoyable. 

[Rinji the Bearded]

Luigitornado wrote...

It's not being paranoid. I don't know why other users always assume someone is against s/s relationships by implying they are homophobic.

I enjoy restrictions because it makes characters simply more interesting, and the overall expierence more enjoyable. 

It sounds like you're inventing reasons to avoid saying what you really want to say.  Think about you said for a second.

You want to restrict options for other players because your immersion would be ruined otherwise?

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 17 juillet 2011 - 03:36 .

[The dead fish]

Luigitornado wrote...

wolf99000 wrote...

I dont get why there is such push back on this I mean can anyone who is against this tell me how it effects your games where you have a male shep with Miranda its does not effect that so the whole argument about it changing her character for no reason is mute simple fact is on one will be forcing you to play the game as a fem shep with same sex romance

Consumer mentality of devaluing the expierence/game.

This is not an option, it is a fact narrative. It's not only " simply add an option. " It is adding an option to the detriment of what has been done/ established, or contradictory. It is from where it gets annoying for many people, even if you don't get it.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 17 juillet 2011 - 03:37 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

Sylvianus wrote...
This is not an option, it is a fact narrative. It's not only " simply add an option. " It is adding an option to the detriment of what has been done/ established, or contradictory. It is from where it gets annoying for many people, even if you don't get it.

You might want to consider what you believe facts and opinions are.  Just because you perceive a character this way or the other doesn't mean it's fact.

[jlb524]

Luigitornado wrote...

I enjoy restrictions because it makes characters simply more interesting, and the overall expierence more enjoyable. 

Then they should probs put restrictions on the hetero romances too...stuff like morality, race, behavior towards the LI in earlier convos...stuff that would make sense.

[wolf99000]

Sylvianus wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...

wolf99000 wrote...

I dont get why there is such push back on this I mean can anyone who is against this tell me how it effects your games where you have a male shep with Miranda its does not effect that so the whole argument about it changing her character for no reason is mute simple fact is on one will be forcing you to play the game as a fem shep with same sex romance

Consumer mentality of devaluing the expierence/game.

This is not an option, it is a fact narrative. It's not only " simply add an option. " It is adding an option to the detriment of what has been done/ established, or contradictory. It is from where it gets annoying for many people, even if you don't get it.

again how does having Miranda be a detriment or contradict anything there is no set mass effect cannon that is why the movie is not going near shepards story with Mirandas past and the effect shepard has on her in me2 she just makes more sense than any other 

and  no one is asking for every li to be bisexual just for that to be in the game which bioware have said  there are going to be same sex romances in mass effect 3 so some squadmates will be bi

Modifié par wolf99000, 17 juillet 2011 - 03:48 .

[The dead fish]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...
This is not an option, it is a fact narrative. It's not only " simply add an option. " It is adding an option to the detriment of what has been done/ established, or contradictory. It is from where it gets annoying for many people, even if you don't get it.

You might want to consider what you believe facts and opinions are.  Just because you perceive a character this way or the other doesn't mean it's fact.

Indeed. Therefore, the elements in the game are essential to help establish the best that could be considered as fact. From there, it is the subjectivity of each, that's why we disagree.

Be careful though with this kind of easy answers, we can justify anything. Anything. Even the most amazing thing ever. Until the players themselves do not believe it.

Mr Gaider had to think  it with Leliana's resurection. It didn't work well, many players were unhappy with this process.

[jlb524]

People who don't gain Miranda's loyalty are screwing up my narrative.

Narrative. Word of the day.

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

Luigitornado wrote...

I enjoy restrictions because it makes characters simply more interesting, and the overall expierence more enjoyable.

And pray tell, how does that make them more interesting?

If I don't find a character to my liking it's purely due to the way they were written. Now guess what? DA2 cast was plenty of interesting. And my least favorite companion and romance? Sebastian. Yes, the only straight LI. Even if he was bi, it would not change my opinion of him.

[The dead fish]

Add an option that would be a narrative. for those who have trouble understanding, it means that if Miranda had the opportunity to choose a girl or a man, she is bi.

While in my party, it would be with a man.

sentence of the day.

[Luigitornado]

jlb524 wrote...
How so?

I'm not answering this. I was already straight forward enough.

jlb524 wrote...
uh huh. How is that different from when I play two different FemSheps and have the same hetero options available (as in ME2)? Do I get the 'same experience' if I would romance Jacob in one pt and then romance Thane in another?

Doesn't matter, you are still restricting the options to gender, which make the overall narrative when playing as female Shepard different than playing as male Shepard.

jlb524 wrote...
What? That's taking away RP options. I want to add more. That analogy isn't very good.

That is more. By taking away renegade and paragon unlockable options you would not be restricting players to any one path. Maybe I choose my Shepard to play as a paragon in ME1, but I want to renegade convince Saren to shoot himself at the end of the game because I feel like it would be a better choice for that situation. Unfortunately the renegade/paragon option is just another "bad" set of restrictions on the player: it keeps people from playing how they want to.

Since large story changing options are not restricted, why not get rid of unlockable paragon and renegade dialog options totally? I'm applying your exact same logic to this as you are with romance options, and yet you seem to be putt off by it.

Again restrictions are what make the story and multiple play troughs exciting.

[Luigitornado]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...

It's not being paranoid. I don't know why other users always assume someone is against s/s relationships by implying they are homophobic.

I enjoy restrictions because it makes characters simply more interesting, and the overall expierence more enjoyable. 

It sounds like you're inventing reasons to avoid saying what you really want to say.  Think about you said for a second.

You want to restrict options for other players because your immersion would be ruined otherwise?

THEY already do this with renegade and paragon unlockable options, but of course no one complains about that because making romance open and free is allll so more important.