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[shepskisaac]

Volus Warlord wrote...
My bad. The vast majority of characters will be bisexual.

Nope. "Not necessarily true" means "only true in some cases (some = less than majority)" or "not true in all cases". Safe to assume only some or none are bi.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 15 juillet 2011 - 04:05 .

[mya11]

Casey Hudson has never said all squadmates are bi ! it's not dragon age 2.1

Yes, they are hetero, gay and bi but no all bi !

[jlb524]

mya11 wrote...

Casey Hudson has never said all squadmates are bi ! it's not dragon age 2.1

Yes, they are hetero, gay and bi but no all bi !

None of them will be gay due to considerations of resources (considering romances are not used by most players anyway).

[AngelicMachinery]

bleetman wrote...

Bickering over something that hasn't happened yet is fantastic.

I sometimes enjoy it myself.

[jtav]

It's no more unlikely (less, actually) for Miranda to be bisexual than it was for Tali and Garrus to be xenophiles. She is not canonically heterosexual. She is not canonically bisexual. The romance is entirely initiated by Shep. We don't know how she would react to FemShep because FemShep can't express interest.

[AlexMBrennan]

She is not canonically heterosexual

Debatable. Her SB entry isn't exactly evidence but it does waggle its eyebrows suggestively and gesture furtively while mouthing 'look over there'

[jtav]

Considering the dossier all but states she was trying to get pregnant, well, not really. She's still unlikely to be an s/s option, but for other reasons.

[MACharlie1]

Don't you know? All Lesbians Want Kids.

[Siansonea]

slimgrin wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...
I will state this again. Jack is the only female LI that would be the logical choice to make bisexual, her history screams that she is so it wouldn't be a stretch at all for her to be in ME3.

I've said this in the past myself, but I'm going to play devil's advocate here. It fits Jack's personality to take risks, sometimes with reckless abandon. She's clearly an experimenter given her colorful history ( ran with a cult for a while, etc.) And she did have a threesome with another woman involved, but that doesn't mean she actually liked it. Maybe she learned from that experience that she prefers men. And maybe miss goodie two shoes Miranda has been reserved about her lust for the ladies all this time. Could be an interesting twist at any rate. 

To me, this makes the most sense. Jack is a walking id, if she was up for some girl-lovin' from FemShep, I can't think of anything that would give her pause. Miranda, on the other hand, could have all sorts of motivations we don't know about. In fact, I'd say she's almost guaranteed to have some kind of hidden agenda. And somewhere in all those layers of mystique and misdirection and subterfuge might be some interest in FemShep. One never knows with Miranda.

[Unpleasant Implications]

Well I suppose we'll just have to wait till the game to see who's right and wrong, if only because Bioware's being the most tight-lipped when it comes to Miranda.

On a sidenote, alot people say Jack should be a bi option. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Jack say to Femshep that she's "not a girl's club" or something? I just don't feel like making a new playthrough to be sure.

[mya11]

Jack is the squadmate more realistic for will be gay or bi and she talk with his history with a women, Kelly also bi

[Jebel Krong]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...
her established sexuality is in the game: heterosexual. there are no hints, behavioural flourishes or anything to suggest otherwise

I like grilled tuna.

Maybe you've seen me eat grilled tuna on 3 separate occasions.

There are no "behavioral flourishes or hints" that I like steak.

I LOVE STEAK

And what kind of flourishes are you expecting?  A left thumb ring?  A DVD set of Ellen and the entire discography of Tegan and Sara on her shelf?  A big conversation piece where she talks about how much she loves the ladies?

BECAUSE THATS JUST SILLY

didn't realise you had an ongoing relationship with your food...? 'cause that wuld be about the only time your analogy would hold up...

seriously though, it would have come up - muchlike jack casually mentions it, if miranda were at all - or had been at all in the past - interested in the opposite sex. character continuity, with her preferences already well-established, makes it further unlikely. wishes don't make horses, as the saying goes... you and others jumping on the "she didn't specifically say otherwise!" bandwagon notwithstanding (which is proof of nothing as again you just ignore all previous character development/traits/writing to justify your opinion/desire) -she had no need to - her preferences were made pretty clear - again if the likelihood had been there, it would have been mentioned before now.

whilst i personally actually am not entirely 100% opposed to miranda s/s option as a fanservice element, i am in terms of (all major) character continuity terms, i believe s/s introductions so late would inevitably alter established characters to be out of kilter/recognition, even in the writing of them.

IsaacShep wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...
miranda suddenly changing her entire in-game behaviour to appease a certain segment of the audience.

Explain
us what would need to be changed in Miranda's in-game behavior if she
was bisexual. According to my knowledge bisexual women LIKE MEN. So
everything Miranda did and said in the previous game stays.

except of course state AT ANY TIME that she was interested in - or had been interested in - or, even, in a relationship with another woman. which she didn't. unlike jack, again, for example.

again, no outright denial =/= possibility open, because you have to take into account character continuity.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 15 juillet 2011 - 05:21 .

[MACharlie1]

Unpleasant Implications wrote...

Well I suppose we'll just have to wait till the game to see who's right and wrong, if only because Bioware's being the most tight-lipped when it comes to Miranda.

On a sidenote, alot people say Jack should be a bi option. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Jack say to Femshep that she's "not a girl's club" or something? I just don't feel like making a new playthrough to be sure.

Girls club always meant, to me anyway, that she wasn't into the whole "painting each others toe nails" and slumber parties. 

[mya11]

I hope Bioware continue to write good scene same as mass effect 1 and 2 and no change the character for the fanbase

[ladyvader]

MACharlie1 wrote...

Unpleasant Implications wrote...

Well I suppose we'll just have to wait till the game to see who's right and wrong, if only because Bioware's being the most tight-lipped when it comes to Miranda.

On a sidenote, alot people say Jack should be a bi option. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Jack say to Femshep that she's "not a girl's club" or something? I just don't feel like making a new playthrough to be sure.

Girls club always meant, to me anyway, that she wasn't into the whole "painting each others toe nails" and slumber parties. 

Or gossip.  I never took the "girls club" as not liking women in a sexual sense. 

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Jebel Krong wrote...
seriously though, it would have come up - muchlike jack casually mentions it, if miranda were at all - or had been at all in the past - interested in the opposite sex. character continuity, with her preferences already well-established, makes it further unlikely. wishes don't make horses, as the saying goes... you and others jumping on the "she didn't specifically say otherwise!" bandwagon notwithstanding (which is proof of nothing as again you just ignore all previous character development/traits/writing to justify your opinion/desire) -she had no need to - her preferences were made pretty clear - again if the likelihood had been there, it would have been mentioned before now.

whilst i personally actually am not entirely 100% opposed to miranda s/s option as a fanservice element, i am in terms of (all major) character continuity terms, i believe s/s introductions so late would inevitably alter established characters to be out of kilter/recognition, even in the writing of them.

"We had, like, 8 conversations!  It totally would have come up in conversation that she liked women!  That's just how life works; if you don't tell me in the first 8 conversations that you're bisexual then you're clearly straight and that fact is well-established from those 8 conversations!  8!"

It was made clear that she liked men.  That's half the prerequisites for being bisexual.  It was not made clear that she didn't like and would never like women.  I don't know why you're so obsessed with the idea of people divulging and/or hinting at their sexuality right away.  That's just dumb.

And all of you who are merely arguing about "probability" or "likelihood" have to realize that "probability" is not a sound argument in a videogame where the story is highly unrealistic.

It wasn't "probable" that Shepard could be resurrected after a planetary re-entry and smacking into the ground, but it happened.  The difference here is that Miranda or Ashley or anyone else revealing that they were and are bisexual is not even close to being fantastical.

[Jebel Krong]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...
seriously though, it would have come up - muchlike jack casually mentions it, if miranda were at all - or had been at all in the past - interested in the opposite sex. character continuity, with her preferences already well-established, makes it further unlikely. wishes don't make horses, as the saying goes... you and others jumping on the "she didn't specifically say otherwise!" bandwagon notwithstanding (which is proof of nothing as again you just ignore all previous character development/traits/writing to justify your opinion/desire) -she had no need to - her preferences were made pretty clear - again if the likelihood had been there, it would have been mentioned before now.

whilst i personally actually am not entirely 100% opposed to miranda s/s option as a fanservice element, i am in terms of (all major) character continuity terms, i believe s/s introductions so late would inevitably alter established characters to be out of kilter/recognition, even in the writing of them.

"We had, like, 8 conversations!  It totally would have come up in conversation that she liked women!  That's just how life works; if you don't tell me in the first 8 conversations that you're bisexual then you're clearly straight and that fact is well-established from those 8 conversations!  8!"

It was made clear that she liked men.  That's half the prerequisites for being bisexual.  It was not made clear that she didn't like and would never like women.  I don't know why you're so obsessed with the idea of people divulging and/or hinting at their sexuality right away.  That's just dumb.

whilst game content is necessarily abbreviated, it is indicative and representative of the whole. again: jack mentions it, miranda doesn't, which indicates heavily that in a mature game, if it had been an option, it would have been mentioned during any conversation - it never was.

oh and saying that someone likes one sex does not indicate at any time an attraction to the other - that's like saying that becaue i like women - and am married - secretly i'm actually lusting after some ass: it's laughable and desperate, not reasoning. 'prerequisites' indeed - i LOLed. not.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 15 juillet 2011 - 05:36 .

[Unpleasant Implications]

ladyvader wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

Unpleasant Implications wrote...

Well I suppose we'll just have to wait till the game to see who's right and wrong, if only because Bioware's being the most tight-lipped when it comes to Miranda.

On a sidenote, alot people say Jack should be a bi option. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Jack say to Femshep that she's "not a girl's club" or something? I just don't feel like making a new playthrough to be sure.

Girls club always meant, to me anyway, that she wasn't into the whole "painting each others toe nails" and slumber parties. 

Or gossip.  I never took the "girls club" as not liking women in a sexual sense. 

If that's the case, why would she blow Femshep off and offer Mshep casual sex?

[ADLegend21]

I support it. (duh) people forget that bisexual people like both men and women. therefore a bisexual woman would like men And women. It'd be coll if you could ask Miranda, as femshep, why she never said anything about being bisexual and she just says "You never asked."

[jlb524]

Jebel Krong wrote...
whilst game content is necessarily abbreviated, it is indicative and representative of the whole. again: jack mentions it, miranda doesn't, which indicates heavily that in a mature game, if it had been an option, it would have been mentioned during any conversation - it never was.

There are some romanceable characters that don't mention interest in anyone before coming on to the PC.  Tali is one example (showing no interest in humans, or even male or female quarians for that matter, before going after Shepard).  I don't recall Ashley mentioning any other men and Liara mentions no one.

Jebel Krong wrote...
oh and saying that someone likes one sex does not indicate at any time an attraction to the other - that's like saying that becaue i like women - and am married - secretly i'm actually lusting after some ass: it's laughable and desperate, not reasoning. 'prerequisites' indeed - i LOLed. not.

No one is saying that. 

People like you are claiming that Miranda is definitely straight.  Others are saying that she possibly could be bisexual as we don't really know enough about her opinions on lady lovin' yet.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Jebel Krong wrote...
whilst game content is necessarily abbreviated, it is indicative and representative of the whole. again: jack mentions it, miranda doesn't, which indicates heavily that in a mature game, if it had been an option, it would have been mentioned during any conversation - it never was.

oh and saying that someone likes one sex does not indicate at any time an attraction to the other - that's like saying that becaue i like women - and am married - secretly i'm actually lusting after some ass: it's laughable and desperate, not reasoning. 'prerequisites' indeed - i LOLed. not.

Jack mentions it, yet she's still not a s/s romance option.  So what's your point?

"I know a bisexual woman who mentioned she was bisexual within 4 conversations; therefore all bisexual women will mention it or hint at it within 4 conversations."
That's what you're saying?  Do I need to point out how dumb that is?  Just because you personally think it would or should have been mentioned doesn't mean a damned thing.  That's your assumption and can very easily be incorrect.

As for your second little paragraph there... Miranda saying she likes men does not indicate she likes women?  Is that what you're saying?  Obviously that's true.  But Miranda saying she likes men does not indicate she doesn't like women either.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 15 juillet 2011 - 05:54 .

[ladyvader]

Unpleasant Implications wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

Unpleasant Implications wrote...

Well I suppose we'll just have to wait till the game to see who's right and wrong, if only because Bioware's being the most tight-lipped when it comes to Miranda.

On a sidenote, alot people say Jack should be a bi option. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Jack say to Femshep that she's "not a girl's club" or something? I just don't feel like making a new playthrough to be sure.

Girls club always meant, to me anyway, that she wasn't into the whole "painting each others toe nails" and slumber parties. 

Or gossip.  I never took the "girls club" as not liking women in a sexual sense. 

If that's the case, why would she blow Femshep off and offer Mshep casual sex?

Because there is no s/s relationships in either ME1 or 2.  That's why. 

[ladyvader]

rynluna wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...
Girls club always meant, to me anyway, that she wasn't into the whole "painting each others toe nails" and slumber parties. 

That's what I always thought.  I'm a lesbian but I don't really like that kind of stuff nor can I see myself spending a considerable amount of time around groups of them either, unless one was my girlfriend.  Love women but hate the drama that sometimes comes with them. :innocent:

Amen to that.