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[TheMarshal]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

you can't make everyone happy sadly. I'm sure there is someone who wanted to save saren but was that an option in the game? I'd like to avoid every character wanting shepard sorry.

Every character DOES want Shepard.  Aside from Samara, Grunt and Mordin, every squaddie is a potential LI.  You're fine with that?

Modifié par TheMarshal, 17 juillet 2011 - 04:25 .

[jlb524]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

you can't make everyone happy sadly. I'm sure there is someone who wanted to save saren but was that an option in the game? I'd like to avoid every character wanting shepard sorry.

No no no no no no no.

First, not 'every' character is even a romance option.

Second, the romance options often don't throw themselves at Shepard and it's up to Shepard to pursue them if desired.  If not desired, you go on just being friends...you stated this yourself a few posts above.

See here:

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

then what's wrong with just being friends with these characters?

I dunno.  What's wrong with Miranda/Tali/Jack/Ash just being friends with MShep?

In my case 3 of the 4 are. Does shepard really have to be a pimp?

Modifié par jlb524, 17 juillet 2011 - 04:26 .

[PlumPaul93]

jlb524 wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

you can't make everyone happy sadly. I'm sure there is someone who wanted to save saren but was that an option in the game? I'd like to avoid every character wanting shepard sorry.

No no no no no no no.

First, not 'every' character is even a romance option.

Second, the romance options often don't throw themselves at Shepard and it's up to Shepard to pursue them if desired.  If not desired, you go on just being friends...you stated this yourself a few posts above.

See here:

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

then what's wrong with just being friends with these characters?

I dunno.  What's wrong with Miranda/Tali/Jack/Ash just being friends with MShep?

In my case 3 of the 4 are. Does shepard really have to be a pimp?

well basically I don't want every LI to want shepard regardless of gender you can still be friends with them I just don't want it to that magnitude in the game. I just fail to see why all these characters should be bi. I'd rather they just make whatever new characters specifically gay or straight and leave the old squadmates alone don't do the bi bs.

[jlb524]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

well basically I don't want every LI to want shepard regardless of gender you can still be friends with them I just don't want it to that magnitude in the game. I just fail to see why all these characters should be bi. I'd rather they just make whatever new characters specifically gay or straight and leave the old squadmates alone don't do the bi bs.

How is that different from offering male Shep a crap ton of female options for romance with the option to just remain friends with the ones you don't want?

You claim that scale is the problem, but would you complain if they were just adding more straight female options for male Shepard?

There's also nothing wrong with bisexuality...really.

[JamieCOTC]

The two strongest female leads in the game, femShep and Miranda, hooking up would be, at the very least, interesting, but I really don't care. Either way is fine by me, though it is a curiosity that people get bent out of shape about such things. It's like saying Shepard is supposed to be a renegade. That there is no other choice. The turth is, it's whatever the writers want, that's the choice that we get to make ... or not. If I had to make a bet I'd say Miranda would stay loyal to Y chromosome Shep. Miranda just seems too much like she has a stick up her bum and probably would like to keep it that way.

Ashley, however ... well, that's another thread.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 17 juillet 2011 - 04:39 .

[PlumPaul93]

Nyoka wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

you can't make everyone happy sadly. I'm sure there is someone who wanted to save saren but was that an option in the game? I'd like to avoid every character wanting shepard sorry.

- True, also irrelevant. The point isn't to make everyone happy.
- Saren is part of the core plot, romances are optional. Invalid analogy.
- Not every character is a love interest, so not every character wants Shepard. I do want love interests to be so for all players, which means giving them the same options to role play their Shepards the way they want, regardless of whether having those options makes them happy or not.

ooh you see but the problem to me would be every LI would want shepard (meaning no individuality and just copy and paste to please people). What's wrong with role playing a female or male and romancing whoever you want to romance?

[Luigitornado]

I'm not cool with this. I'm against making exsisting characters bisexual. I see it as rather silly, and it takes away from the overall appeal of the game.

Do people honestly think there would be a huge difference between maleShep and femaleShep's romance with Miranda? NOPE.

I like having a mix of characters where there is simply not an option to romance them. It limits the story and makes me want to replay the game even more so.

[jlb524]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...
ooh you see but the problem to me would be every LI would want shepard (meaning no individuality and just copy and paste to please people).

You keep arguing in circles.  You are fine that all the optional female LIs want male Shepard (the same could be said about 'no individuality' and 'why not just stay friends with Miranda, maleShep?') but when it comes to s/s OH HELL NO!

PlumPaul82393 wrote...
What's wrong with role playing a female or male and romancing whoever you want to romance?

Yeah...what's wrong with that?

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

ooh you see but the problem to me would be every LI would want shepard (meaning no individuality and just copy and paste to please people). What's wrong with role playing a female or male and romancing whoever you want to romance?

Except that they wouldn't. Shep CAN romance anyone from the available options, but that doesn't mean every one of them wants him/her off the bat. For example, Garrus, in ME2 sure didn't even think of it unless FemShep blatantly came on to him. Nor did Thane if I remember correctly. So unless YOU, the player, force the issue, I highly doubt all LIs will pull a Tali on you.

[PlumPaul93]

jlb524 wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...
ooh you see but the problem to me would be every LI would want shepard (meaning no individuality and just copy and paste to please people).

You keep arguing in circles.  You are fine that all the optional female LIs want male Shepard (the same could be said about 'no individuality' and 'why not just stay friends with Miranda, maleShep?') but when it comes to s/s OH HELL NO!

PlumPaul82393 wrote...
What's wrong with role playing a female or male and romancing whoever you want to romance?

Yeah...what's wrong with that?

That's because it was in the game, if it had been they were strictly for s/s then by all means keep them that way, character consistency and not having every LI want shepard are pretty small requests imo. and onto the second you should know what I meant with that. If a person want's to romance a character roleplay to romance that character. Now my turn for questions why should miranda and others be bi?

[PlumPaul93]

rynluna wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...
What's wrong with role playing a female or male and romancing whoever you want to romance?

Some people really can't stand MaleShep or FemShep enough to stomach them for a romance they can't have.  Not to mention, some people actually like roleplaying their Shepards as gay and want a gay romance.

Which would be possible just leave most of the previous characters out of it.

[jlb524]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...
That's because it was in the game, if it had been they were strictly for s/s then by all means keep them that way, character consistency and not having every LI want shepard are pretty small requests imo.

Tali romance.  Garrus romance.

PlumPaul82393 wrote...
and onto the second you should know what I meant with that. If a person want's to romance a character roleplay to romance that character. Now my turn for questions why should miranda and others be bi?

Most don't roleplay just to romance a character though.

As for bisexual Miranda...I don't think she should be bisexual.  I would like her to be bisexual so she can be an option for FemShep in ME3 (and there are others that agree).  But I can't give a reason why she should be bisexual just as I can't give a reason why she should be a lesbian or straight.  At least, from an in-game perspective.

From a meta-gaming perspective, I think all LIs should be open to both genders to enable more options given:

1)  Romances are just a small part of the game.
2)  The majority of players never do them.  Why place further limits on content that most don't even play through?
3)  Romances are optional.

Modifié par jlb524, 17 juillet 2011 - 04:55 .

[PlumPaul93]

jlb524 wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...
That's because it was in the game, if it had been they were strictly for s/s then by all means keep them that way, character consistency and not having every LI want shepard are pretty small requests imo.

Tali romance.  Garrus romance.

PlumPaul82393 wrote...
and onto the second you should know what I meant with that. If a person want's to romance a character roleplay to romance that character. Now my turn for questions why should miranda and others be bi?

Most don't roleplay just to romance a character though.

As for bisexual Miranda...I don't think she should be bisexual.  I would like her to be bisexual so she can be an option for FemShep in ME3 (and there are others that agree).  But I can't give a reason why she should be bisexual just as I can't give a reason why she should be a lesbian or straight.  At least, from an in-game perspective.

From a meta-gaming perspective, I think all LIs should be open to both genders to enable more options given:

1)  Romances are just a small part of the game.
2)  The majority of players never do them.  Why place further limits on content that most don't even play through?
3)  Romances are optional.

@bolded I didn't use them so I can't comment but just because it happened twice doesn't mean it should keep on happening.

1.okay
2.Then what seperates a dating sim and romances in ME?
3.okay

from a story perspective there should be straight, gay, and bi LI's. Making them all bi (getting rid of restrictions so to speak) would get rid of 2 of the 3 and make me not be able to take the game seriously because of LI's would want shepard just because of "more options". It might be different for you but that's how it would be for me. Thank you for at least giving me a reason why they should be bi.

[gamer_girl]

Inuboy1000 wrote...

 I have played the Mass Effect 2 demo (haven't gotten around to getting it, and probably won't for a while), however I just found out that there is no romance between Jane (Female Shepard) and Miranda. That is sorta stupid, the reason I would pick a female over a male in an RPG is for the lesbian action (LOL), I mean I did it in Fable 3... but anyway does anyone know if there will be a romance between Jane and Miranda.

While I condone same sex relationships in these games, if the reason for wanting it is "lesbian action", that's a bit silly haha. Censorship means there won't be much to see anyways, and pardon my saying this on a forum as it could be seen as inappropriate, but there are other ways to see such things. Just saying. XD

[PlumPaul93]

rynluna wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

rynluna wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...
What's wrong with role playing a female or male and romancing whoever you want to romance?

Some people really can't stand MaleShep or FemShep enough to stomach them for a romance they can't have.  Not to mention, some people actually like roleplaying their Shepards as gay and want a gay romance.

Which would be possible just leave most of the previous characters out of it.

Why?  So you can sleep comfortably knowing that some random person doesn't get to romance their favorite character who they have been a fan of for years? 

Common theme I find here is most wouldn't be satisfied with a few bi/gay characters they need them all to be that way just because they want it that way. I don't want every character to want shepard. Is there no middle ground?

[gamer_girl]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

rynluna wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

rynluna wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...
What's wrong with role playing a female or male and romancing whoever you want to romance?

Some people really can't stand MaleShep or FemShep enough to stomach them for a romance they can't have.  Not to mention, some people actually like roleplaying their Shepards as gay and want a gay romance.

Which would be possible just leave most of the previous characters out of it.

Why?  So you can sleep comfortably knowing that some random person doesn't get to romance their favorite character who they have been a fan of for years? 

Common theme I find here is most wouldn't be satisfied with a few bi/gay characters they need them all to be that way just because they want it that way. I don't want every character to want shepard. Is there no middle ground?

While in reality, these characters would have free will, the power is put in the gamer's hands and they should be able to decide what they want. Although it's an unrealistic amount of power, it's what people want.

[jlb524]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...
@bolded I didn't use them so I can't comment but just because it happened twice doesn't mean it should keep on happening.

Okay then, don't use the optional s/s romances....simple.   Something happening once/twice sets a precedence for it happening in the future, so it becomes a bit 'hypocritical' to complain about possible new versions of that thing happening and not the old.

PlumPaul82393 wrote...
1.okay
2.Then what seperates a dating sim and romances in ME?
3.okay

Have you every played an actual dating sim?

PlumPaul82393 wrote...
from a story perspective there should be straight, gay, and bi LI's. Making them all bi (getting rid of restrictions so to speak) would get rid of 2 of the 3 and make me not be able to take the game seriously because of LI's would want shepard just because of "more options". It might be different for you but that's how it would be for me. Thank you for at least giving me a reason why they should be bi.

Again...the LIs don't want Shepard as it's up to Shepard to intiate it...that's why you can romance your one woman from the Miranda/Ashley/Jack/Tali list and go on being friends with the other three women (as you've stated yourself).

Why should BW have offered more opposite sex romance options in ME2?  Weren't Ashley and Kaidan good enough?

*I won't even mention Liara as she's an asexual thing and is beyond labels and stuff...people who romance her are just MAD!!!!!*

[JamieCOTC]

Pulled from another thread:

David Gaider wrote....
And the person who says that the only way to please them is to restrict options for others is, if you ask me, the one who deserves it least. And that's my opinion, expressed as politely as possible.

I had a friend once who said to me when he first discovered Star Trek Slash fiction that "people should NOT be allowed to do that. It's a disservice to the characters and it should not be allowed on the internet.” Seriously, some of the posts on the subject bi ME characters approach that draconian tone. WHO CARES? I don’t think she will, but let’s say for the sake of argument that Miranda will be romanceable by both maleShep and femShep in ME3. You play manShep and she bats for team Y chromosome all the way. If you play manShep there will be no hint that she is anything but a young, beautiful woman imbibed w/ the soul of Dick Cheney. Bi won'’t enter into it.

The fact that someone else in their own home, on their own system, is having femshep and Miranda be more than friends shouldn't be anyone's business but theirs. You play the game your way, they play the game their way and that's the end of it.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 17 juillet 2011 - 05:33 .

[Sylvianus]

No, the generalization of Mr Gaider is completely false. There are lots of cases where it is legitimate to restrict.

When you ask for the continuity of characters that must be respected, that we do not change their personality to the fanservice.

No. The ' ah yes, she may be bi, because she hasn't screamed, "I'm straight," I do not believe at all.

The reasons are simple,it's the last episode. We do not need to see our favorite characters fall into the trap of fanservice. You 're not obliged to agree, but respect that.

Do not talk about choice, when it is to get the same mess with DA2. The definition of a character doesn't change because some fans require it. No that's not a reasonable choice.

Anders, whatever what you say has been ruined for many people, and you believe it or not, it's a fact. So mr Gaider should stop its inefficient generalizations and think more seriously about the problems encountered in a game. such as unexplained resurrections.

: I do not care Miranda, but I understand the concern o fher fans.  It's been years that they follow her. And see it converted for reasons out of the game is not what I would argue.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 17 juillet 2011 - 06:13 .

[LilyasAvalon]

There were apparently plans for Miranda to be romancable by either gender, but the idea was scrapped early. However, I don't think it's possible.

The Shadow Brokers files on Miranda suggest Miranda is desperate to have a baby (For whatever reason) and even though they also confirm she is... barren, I don't think it'll open her up to lesbian action.

[Vamp44]

People take virtual peoples' sexuality into consideration too seriously...