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[Ieldra]

I just read about the upcoming comic book "Mass Effect: Invasion".

A Cerberus experiment gone wrong? Again? Haven't they been shown enough as incompetent cardboard villains doing EVIL human experiments. I'm so tired of this increasingly black-and-white picture I get from the ME plots and their increasingly technophobic tendencies. I can only hope that this isn't what the ME3 plot comes down to as well, or I'll leave the trilogy with a big disappointment.

Have they run out of ideas? Must every bad thing that happens be traced back on the unconquerable evil mojo that is Reaper technology and Cerberus' experiments, including the typical villain's incompetence which will in the end play a bigger role in their defeat than the hero's abilities?

Bioware, if you are serious about showing more moral grey in ME3, then please try something new and apply the "moral grey" to Cerberus and Reaper technology as well. I'd like to see Cerberus doing something right for a change, even if it may not be exactly good. And I don't want Reaper tech to be like a evil magic In Space.

Above all, I'd like to see something less stereotypical than "Cerberus experiments gone wrong". Gods, I'm so sick of that.....

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

They did two things right.
Built a new Normandy and brought Shepard back.
Everything else is kind of a wash.

[Chuvvy]

They ran out of ideas when they first had the idea of it going wrong. Cerberus is completely inept, I'm not sure if it's intentional. Sort of like all the bloodmages in DA2. It's hard to defend mages when 1 in 3 is an insane bloodmage, and it's hard to work with Cerberus when 2 in 3 experiments go horribly wrong. Now that I think about Cerberus has a worse track record than 2 in 3.

Modifié par Slidell505, 15 juillet 2011 - 11:16 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Nah. With no Anderson around, everything's going as planned this time. TIM just decided to clear out the Omega as a test for his long sought for "shock troops". These blue freaks are ideal for staging false flag ops with Cerberus/Alliance swooping in to "save the day", while in reality the blue freaks can be switched off remotely. Bear witness to another Cerberus' success, kids.




P. S. Poor kittens, what has TIM done to you!!! [shakes fist, weeps...] 

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 15 juillet 2011 - 11:39 .

[Someone With Mass]

They can might as well set Cerberus up to be wiped out for good and get it over with. And let more capable factions do their job in peace.

TIM was never that much of an interesting antagonist or a character to begin with, because he's just as intimidating and successful as the leader of Team Rocket.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 15 juillet 2011 - 11:41 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

What Zulu said. I too am under the impression that everything seems to be going according to TIM's plans. Well, everything to secure the Klendagon Weapon...

[Leonia]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

What Zulu said. I too am under the impression that everything seems to be going according to TIM's plans. Well, everything to secure the Klendagon Weapon...

I hope this is true, there is too much potential with Cerberus to waste. It's nice when things aren't entirely predictable and obvious sometimes.

[Whereto]

Who's to say they havent got stuff right, just its never reported?

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Sometimes I wonder if BW actually have the blueprint for the trilogy or did they just throw stuff at hand when it's time to produce the next one.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Both

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Nah. With no Anderson around, everything's going as planned this time. TIM just decided to clear out the Omega as a test for his long sought for "shock troops". These blue freaks are ideal for staging false flag ops with Cerberus/Alliance swooping in to "save the day", while in reality the blue freaks can be switched off remotely. Bear witness to another Cerberus' success, kids.




P. S. Poor kittens, what has TIM done to you!!! [shakes fist, weeps...] 

Have I mentioned how glad we are that you're back Zulu?

Ohhh tell us about variables again!!!!

[Dean_the_Young]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I just read about the upcoming comic book "Mass Effect: Invasion".

A Cerberus experiment gone wrong? Again? Haven't they been shown enough as incompetent cardboard villains doing EVIL human experiments. I'm so tired of this increasingly black-and-white picture I get from the ME plots and their increasingly technophobic tendencies. I can only hope that this isn't what the ME3 plot comes down to as well, or I'll leave the trilogy with a big disappointment.

Have they run out of ideas? Must every bad thing that happens be traced back on the unconquerable evil mojo that is Reaper technology and Cerberus' experiments, including the typical villain's incompetence which will in the end play a bigger role in their defeat than the hero's abilities?

Bioware, if you are serious about showing more moral grey in ME3, then please try something new and apply the "moral grey" to Cerberus and Reaper technology as well. I'd like to see Cerberus doing something right for a change, even if it may not be exactly good. And I don't want Reaper tech to be like a evil magic In Space.

Above all, I'd like to see something less stereotypical than "Cerberus experiments gone wrong". Gods, I'm so sick of that.....

What makes you think it went wrong?

[Lotion Soronarr]

Ran ito ideas IMHO.

Half the quests in all ME's so far have been Cerberus experimetns gone wrong. Which is really horrible for the universe/atmosphere, but easy for the gameplay I guess.

[Ieldra]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I just read about the upcoming comic book "Mass Effect: Invasion".

A Cerberus experiment gone wrong? Again? Haven't they been shown enough as incompetent cardboard villains doing EVIL human experiments. I'm so tired of this increasingly black-and-white picture I get from the ME plots and their increasingly technophobic tendencies. I can only hope that this isn't what the ME3 plot comes down to as well, or I'll leave the trilogy with a big disappointment.

Have they run out of ideas? Must every bad thing that happens be traced back on the unconquerable evil mojo that is Reaper technology and Cerberus' experiments, including the typical villain's incompetence which will in the end play a bigger role in their defeat than the hero's abilities?

Bioware, if you are serious about showing more moral grey in ME3, then please try something new and apply the "moral grey" to Cerberus and Reaper technology as well. I'd like to see Cerberus doing something right for a change, even if it may not be exactly good. And I don't want Reaper tech to be like a evil magic In Space.

Above all, I'd like to see something less stereotypical than "Cerberus experiments gone wrong". Gods, I'm so sick of that.....

What makes you think it went wrong?

The advertisement for ME: Invasion says so.

And FWIW, I don't really mind Cerberus attacking Omega, but the advertisement says the threat out of the Omega-4 relay isn't exactly Cerberus. Also I don't want them to be pushed more into the role of the always evil cardboard villains. They're supposed to embody the best and the worst of humanity. I'd like to see some of the best for a change.  

[Ahriman]

According to faces of Cerberus scientists they didn't expect that.

But has TIM ever cared about his scientists?

Zulu, you have returned.

Modifié par Wizz, 15 juillet 2011 - 01:37 .

[Blarty]

There is the idea of experiments constantly going wrong for cerberus, however, there is the notion that you keep trying until you get it right, and TIM is nothing if not patient and tenacious.

However, TIM is unique in that he is tainted by Reaper tech, and has remained tainted without ultimately succumbing to it, perhaps he sees that the only way humanity can have a future is to get the enhancements without the cost of personality,

[alperez]

So they establish from very early on in the series that cerberus experiments usually end badly and that despite this cerberus keep experimenting and it keeps ending badly, then when writing the new novel they continue with this train of thought and the problem is?

But apart from all of that they show us working with cerberus in me2, then we find out they are trying to kill us in me3 and the book bridges the events inbetween and shows a reason why cerberus may have gone from reluctant allies to enemies, again where's the problem?

I get your annoyed at what seems to be the same plot points being hammered home over and over again but isn't this the way people get their plot points across?

We have people on this site who despite any evidence that suggests cerberus are anything other than what they were originally written as are actually a magnificently machiavellian organisation whose incredible complex stratagies are whats going to be the difference between winning and losing the upcoming war.

If people haven't taken the plot points by now, then it kind of forces you into regurgitating those same plot points until people understand what you've been trying to tell them all along.

Think of it like the heel in wrestling, you show fans they are the bad guy, but some fans cheer because they don't get why they are bad, so over and over and over again you show them doing bad things until people get the point.

[Khran1505]

Whoever said this experiment went wrong? I'd say TIM planned this. Yeah, they're incompetant with Reaper technology but I'm pretty sure they're not THAT stupid to not give up when they're far enough ahead.

[GreenDragon37]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Both

I agree with this guy. BioWare may have had the main plot/story mapped out, but when it comes to certain things and details they are making it up as they go along.

[Fogg]

Cerberus is experimenting with Reaper-technology like in the third novel, it will go wrong, it will cause them to be indoctrinated in ME3. Sanders was already getting indoctrinated by Grayson just walking with him for a few minutes.

[88mphSlayer]

scientists in the mass effect universe are the red-shirts of this series

[LGTX]

If I remember correctly, the plot of the comic says something about Cerberus unleashing a full-fledged 'assault' on Omega. Those husks just might be the weapon they use, or something. Seems more likely than another one of their failures.

[TMA LIVE]

Here's the text burb in the comic:

"Omega stands alone. Beyond the reach of galactic politics, the space station has provided a home for commerce unwelcome elsewhere for years – all it’s criminal gangs fearing its leader, the powerful asari biotic Aria T’Loak.

But there are those who do not respect Aria’s rule – or anything else. Following Commander Shepard’s successful expedition against the mysterious Collector menace, the prohuman organization Cerberus establishes bases beyond the Omega 4 relay to investigate the alien threat.

When Cerberus’s experiments with Reaper technologies goes wrong, a new threat emerges from the Relay, ready to wreak destruction on an unsuspecting galaxy. The first stop on the path to utter destruction: Omega, which stands, as always, alone…"

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 15 juillet 2011 - 03:41 .