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[GodWood]

Someone With Mass wrote...

GodWood wrote...
The original Normandy that was built because of Cerberus.

Did they design it? Did they build it?

Oh, I see. They just gave the right guy(s) a nudge. Big whoop.

Yes, they used their influence within the Alliance to convince them to build the Normandy and gain access to advanced turian technology.
They then later expanded and improved on the original design creating one of the galaxy's most advanced ships.

I get it dude, you don't like Cerberus. But that doesn't mean you have to try and discredit everything they do.

"Say what you what you will about Cerberus, they know how to build ships" - Tali

[The Twilight God]

GodWood wrote...

I get it dude, you don't like Cerberus. But that doesn't mean you have to try and discredit everything they do.

I think his point is they didn't do anything.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 17 juillet 2011 - 08:33 .

[GodWood]

The Twilight God wrote...

GodWood wrote...
I get it dude, you don't like Cerberus. But that doesn't mean you have to try and discredit everything they do.

I think his point is they didn't do anything.

And his point is wrong.

[Someone With Mass]

Yeah. If you ask me, Cerberus is just a plague in Mass Effect, because nothing good or interesting comes out of them.

Not to mention all the bull**** I hear all the time about them being morally grey. Just after I hear about them injecting Reaper nanites into a guy for no good reason other than being sadistic douchebags.

And they're just a waste of space. I mean, they're in three out of four books, three out of five comics and at least two DLCs that just plays out on their incompetence.

It's like someone at BioWare got a real hard-on for them, or just lacks the imagination to do anything that doesn't revolve around them for a change.

It was somewhat tolerable at first, but this is just dumb.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 17 juillet 2011 - 08:41 .

[The Twilight God]

GodWood wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

GodWood wrote...
I get it dude, you don't like Cerberus. But that doesn't mean you have to try and discredit everything they do.

I think his point is they didn't do anything.

And his point is wrong.

In the case of the Normady's development, he is right. Cerberus did not have a hand in actually desgining that class of frigate. If I encouraged J.K. Rowling to write a book about teen wizards I can hardly claim responsibility for the success of the Harry Potter franchise. It was all Rowling.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 18 juillet 2011 - 03:50 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

The Twilight God wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

If you recall ME1, you could find armors and weapons from other races.
And they were pretty comparable to human ones.
Not to mention al lthe alines you fight don't seem to be any morte advanced  than you.

Why would run-of-the-mill grunts have access to state-of-the-art equipment?

You do fight some elite turains and asari, and their equipment really doesn't seem any better than Sheps.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

It doesn't have to be substantial. One can move forward in giant leaps or small steps..or both.
Even such small steps can prove to be cruical to survival.

Everybody is making small steps... and without the massive loss of human life. If you want to take the small steps route then Cerberus is actually below everyone else in that they have nothing to show over any other organization and their tiny gains don't come close to making up for their massive losses.

the fluff wouldlike to  have a word with you....Cerberus is portrayed as highly advanced. If you dont' like it, take it up with the writers.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Engineers all over the world are just having a facepalm moment. Seriously. Dont' ever say something liek that in public, lest you embarras yourself.

Engineers all over the world are in agreement with me. You CAN simply make something bigger. Of course that is not always the case, depends on what it is. Are you saying it is physically impossible to take the Normandy and increase the size? Why not exactly? The very description in the game says they did.

*FACEPALM*

Because you can't just do it. If you jsut scale it up by 30%, you have to re-design it completely. Do you know what re-design means?
First of all, the volume increse is huge - and you want to do something with all that extra volume. The entire internals (and sometimes externals) have to be re-designed. It's NOT a copy process. What would you do with giant seats and controls anyway?
Cerberus made a bigger and better ship based on the Normandy. The very description states hte ship is superior to Mk1 in every way. If it was jsut a copy, it wouldn't be superior, now would it?

Yes, it is not an identical clone. Nobody is saying that it is. In Star Trek, one starship is not indentical to another. But to say that each one is seperately designed from the ground up is ludicrous.

Technicly, they are. Like ships in WW2 were. All battleships looks similar and share some design elements. Yet when creating a new one, they dont' just take the bluebrints and enlarge. They start from GROUND UP, see what works, what doesn't.
This is a well-documented fact. That's how ships are made, even those based on older models.
Now I talked to a lot of ship engineeers (our colleges were in the same building) to know this is a fact.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

GodWood wrote...
The original Normandy that was built because of Cerberus.

Did they design it? Did they build it?

Oh, I see. They just gave the right guy(s) a nudge. Big whoop.

And wihout that nudge, Sovereign and Harbringer would have won the day.


Le'ts not forget, Cerberus has many ties in the Alliance military...it seems to have been quite a nudge.

[Dave of Canada]

GodWood wrote...

I get it dude, you don't like Cerberus. But that doesn't mean you have to try and discredit everything they do.

But then he wouldn't have a point.

[Foolsfolly]

@ OP:

A Cerberus experiment gone wrong? Again?

That is literally all BioWare can do with Cerberus.

Have they run out of ideas? Must every bad thing that happens be traced back on the unconquerable evil mojo that is Reaper technology and Cerberus' experiments, including the typical villain's incompetence which will in the end play a bigger role in their defeat than the hero's abilities?

All they can do.

They don't want to do a side story in the universe. They want to play with the big plot toys from the game series while not advancing the main plot of the games. So they just keep Cerberus in a constant state of failure and mustache twirling evil.

[The Twilight God]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

You do fight some elite turains and asari, and their equipment really doesn't seem any better than Sheps.

When? Cause all I ever see are mercs.

The only elite enemies I've fought are Saren and Tela Vasir. To a lesser extent Enyala from Miranda's loyalty quest.

And again, you're trying to base technological level based solely on personal weapons and armor in a world where everyone buys everyone else's stuff. The weapon and armor market is a melting pot.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

the fluff wouldlike to  have a word with you....Cerberus is portrayed as highly advanced. If you dont' like it, take it up with the writers.

"Portrayed as"? Sounds like personal perception to me. And once again I must ask: "highly advanced"... compared to what? You conveniently ignor this simple question. Hmmm.
 
The devs have actually said the asari are the most advanced. Cerberus? Not so much. So I have nothing to take up with the writters. Nice try though.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Because you can't just do it. If you jsut scale it up by 30%, you have to re-design it completely. Do you know what re-design means?

And you expect me to just accept this because you say so? Hate to burst your bubble, but you are not the authority on what is and is not possible.

I asked you a question which you conveniently ignored. Let me remind you:

Question: Are you saying Cerberus did not recreate the Normandy by using the Normandy SR-1 design schematics? That Cerberus made their own stealth system and their own tantalus drive core from stratch? In essence saying that they went through the entire development and manufacturing process from concept to reality in a 2 year timeframe?

You could really save us both some time by answering this question instead of avoiding it.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

What would you do with giant seats and controls anyway?

What you could do with them or even if it's practical is irrelevent. The fact is, you can simply increase the size on certain things unless they are designed for a purpose that required a certain size.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

If it was jsut a copy, it wouldn't be superior, now would it?

You can look at it and see it isn;t a direct copy. Duh! Never said it was a direct copy in the very post you replied to. Please refrain from strawman arguments. Thanks.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

This is a well-documented fact. That's how ships are made, even those based on older models.
Now I talked to a lot of ship engineeers (our colleges were in the same building) to know this is a fact.

Yeah, and I've talked to alot of military contractors who specialize in ship design and construction. You can simply increase the size. It's a fact. I should know.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

And wihout that nudge, Sovereign and Harbringer would have won the day.

And a butterfly flapped his wings in Florida at 5:35pm  on Jul 17 2036 and the butterfly effect caused a hurricane to hit miami instead of Cuba saving Shepard's great great great grandfather. Thus allowing Shepard to be born and save the galaxy.

So, we have a butterfly to thank for defeating the Reapers.  

Modifié par The Twilight God, 18 juillet 2011 - 05:06 .

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

And wihout that nudge, Sovereign and Harbringer would have won the day.


Le'ts not forget, Cerberus has many ties in the Alliance military...it seems to have been quite a nudge.

Shepard's success was more based on borderline unbelievable coincidences than the Normandy.

[ThePwener]

The experimant didn't go wrong. It was sabotaged by Omega thugs. Hell, we really don't know it was an experiment. There's a lot of speculation in this thread.

[Lotion Soronarr]

The Twilight God wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

You do fight some elite turains and asari, and their equipment really doesn't seem any better than Sheps.

When? Cause all I ever see are mercs.

The only elite enemies I've fought are Saren and Tela Vasir. To a lesser extent Enyala from Miranda's loyalty quest.

And again, you're trying to base technological level based solely on personal weapons and armor in a world where everyone buys everyone else's stuff. The weapon and armor market is a melting pot.

HA! So that's the pitifull excuse now? So military technology is a melting pnt when it suits you, but not when it doesn't.
Armor and weaponry are hte same, but other technology is not?
Please, tell me you are joking

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

This is a well-documented fact. That's how ships are made, even those based on older models.
Now I talked to a lot of ship engineeers (our colleges were in the same building) to know this is a fact.

Yeah, and I've talked to alot of military contractors who specialize in ship design and construction. You can simply increase the size. It's a fact. I should know.

You know the difference between these two statements?
I can actually prove mine.

http://orion.fesb.hr...96/Default.aspx

University of Split
Faculty of Electrical Engineering, Mechanical Engineering and Naval Architecture

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 18 juillet 2011 - 05:09 .

[Someone With Mass]

"Following the conclusion of Mass Effect 2, the human-survivalist organization Cerberus began establishing a series of bases beyond the Omega 4 Relay to carry out experiments on the Collectors' technology."

Oh. Cerberus didn't learn their lesson. How surprising...

[ThePwener]

Speculation....

[didymos1120]

ThePwener wrote...

 It was sabotaged by Omega thugs.

No, it wasn't.  Those guys hadn't had the chance to do anything before all hell broke loose. The ship lands, and then immediately after, those creatures burst out and start slaughtering people.  Hell, they were still debating amongst themselves as to whether trying to raid the ship was even a good idea.  The leader was interrupted midsentence while they were all still hiding behind a bunch of crates.

Also, there's the fact that the comic itself says:

"When Cerberus's experiments with Reaper technologies go wrong...."

Modifié par didymos1120, 18 juillet 2011 - 05:31 .

[ThePwener]

didymos1120 wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

 It was sabotaged by Omega thugs.

No, it wasn't.  Those guys hadn't had the chance to do anything before all hell broke loose. The ship lands, and then immediately after, those creatures burst out and start slaughtering people.

You know as much as I do. We don't know the details. The wiki say that they emerged but maybe it was the thugs, maybe not. We'll find out in Oct. 19.

[The Twilight God]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

HA! So that's the pitifull excuse now? So military technology is a melting pnt when it suits you, but not when it doesn't.
Armor and weaponry are hte same, but other technology is not?
Please, tell me you are joking

Let's see.

1. You can't provide a single example of fighting "elite" enemies, but you say I'm joking?
2. You clearly have not read manufacturer descriptions in what it states that this armor is used in the turian military or this armor provider makes stuff for the Alliance. And yet you can buy it.
3. When have you ever said personal weapons and armor tech was a melting pot? And when have I ever said it wasn't?
4. Any tech the asari or turians make in the personal weapons and armor market are sold to everyone. Corporations are in it for the money. This is where the mercs buy it. Just like Shepard. If there is better Asari only or turian only armor we wouldn't see it because we don't fight the asari, salarian or turian military. The only elite enemies are Saren, Benezia and Tela Vasir.
5. Bioware has said the asari are the most advanced. Therefore they are. Period. Deal with it.

I expect you to ignore all these comments because.. well, you can't. Your childish display here on cements the fact that you have no argument. The only joke here is you.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

You know the difference between these two statements?
I can actually prove mine.

Prove it then, Big shot

I sure hope you have more "proof" than a college website.



And of course you ignored this AGAIN:

Question: Are you saying Cerberus did not recreate the Normandy by using the Normandy SR-1 design schematics? That Cerberus made their own stealth system and their own tantalus drive core from stratch? In essence saying that they went through the entire development and manufacturing process from concept to reality in a 2 year timeframe?

Why are you so afraid to answer? Question seems simple enough to me.  

Modifié par The Twilight God, 18 juillet 2011 - 06:04 .

[didymos1120]

ThePwener wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

 It was sabotaged by Omega thugs.

No, it wasn't.  Those guys hadn't had the chance to do anything before all hell broke loose. The ship lands, and then immediately after, those creatures burst out and start slaughtering people.

You know as much as I do. We don't know the details. The wiki say that they emerged but maybe it was the thugs, maybe not. We'll find out in Oct. 19.

I've read the preview, dude. I know exactly what happens because the comic showed me.  The ship lands, creatures emerge. The thugs are still arguing about whether they should even be there, much less do anything, behind a bunch of crates as it occurs.  Kinda hard to misinterpret that.

Modifié par didymos1120, 18 juillet 2011 - 05:34 .

[MeAndMySandvich]

Cerberus fails at something. Not big surprise.

[The Twilight God]

didymos1120 wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

 It was sabotaged by Omega thugs.

No, it wasn't.  Those guys hadn't had the chance to do anything before all hell broke loose. The ship lands, and then immediately after, those creatures burst out and start slaughtering people.

You know as much as I do. We don't know the details. The wiki say that they emerged but maybe it was the thugs, maybe not. We'll find out in Oct. 19.

I've read the preview, dude. I know exactly what happens because the comic showed me.  The ship lands, creatures emerge. The thugs are still arguing about whether they should even be there, much less do anything, behind a bunch of crates as it occurs.  Kinda hard to misinterpret that.

It wasn't Cerberus' fault. It was the fault of those reaper creatures.If they hadn't broken out none of this would have happened. 

[ThePwener]

didymos1120 wrote...

I've read the preview, dude. I know exactly what happens because the comic showed me.  The ship lands, creatures emerge. The thugs are still arguing about whether they should even be there, much less do anything, behind a bunch of crates as it occurs.  Kinda hard to misinterpret that.

Im really sick of this plot continuity. They make Cerberus into saviors when the plot calls for it and into retards the next panel.

WTF BW!!! Who the **** is making these ****ing awful decisions!?

[Someone With Mass]

ThePwener wrote...

Im really sick of this plot continuity. They make Cerberus into saviors when the plot calls for it and into retards the next panel.

WTF BW!!! Who the **** is making these ****ing awful decisions!?

Cerberus have always been consisting of retards. It was not a surprise to me. Just a slight feel of disappointment.

[The Elder King]

Someone With Mass wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

Im really sick of this plot continuity. They make Cerberus into saviors when the plot calls for it and into retards the next panel.

WTF BW!!! Who the **** is making these ****ing awful decisions!?

Cerberus have always been consisting of retards. It was not a surprise to me. Just a slight feel of disappointment.

Funny, the retards have brought Shepard back to life:whistle:. 

[Someone With Mass]

hhh89 wrote...
Funny, the retards have brought Shepard back to life:whistle:. 

And then they got all the medical scientists involved with the project killed by having such a lousy security system.